Toyota Innova J gas or diesel?

[markduguran]

Good Day!

Were thingking of having an Innova but were still not decided on what to get. We intend to use it as long as it could serve us..just like our 20 year old corolla....obviously if we are to look at the fuel consumption....diesel will definitely be a good choice ( better FC and diesel fuel is cheaper than gas) but i we are to look in the Maintenance cost (Gas will be a better choice because of maintenance cost and parts)....my father owns a 2003 toyota revo GLX (1.8 efi gas engine) it has already drove morethan 130,000kms and still no problems encountered especially in its engine......i need your advice please.

[Retz]

If you will be using your Innova for a long long time, go for Diesel.

[markduguran]

Thanks sa sagot sir, May I ask for some enlightenment on your answer?

[ericson21]

kung long time gagamitin, go for gas. why? mas madali ito i maintain. pang matagalan talaga na gamit ang gas na sasakyan. mas mura ang maintenance compare sa diesel.

kung sandalian lang naman, mga 5 years tapos palit ka na, diesel ka na. why? mas mahal ang maintenance ng diesel sa gas, mas madami ding pinapalitang pyesa sa diesel kesa gas, idagdag mo pa yung injection pump at SCV.

kung FC, diesel ka padin. mas mura ang karga ng diesel kesa gas. fuel consumption sa city driving ng diesel is 10-12km/L (yung innova ko G na diesel, 10-13km/L city driving, best city driving FC ko is 17km/L) ang gas is 6-8km/L sabi ng mga gas owners.

sa highway driving naman, 14-16km/L pero best FC ko naman sa highway is 18.3km/L :D ang gas naman is 10-13km/L, sabi din ng gas owners ito.

mas hataw din ang diesel kesa sa gas daw, di ko lang sure to. HTH.

pero sa experience ko, sobrang tipid ng D4D innova. ang VVT-i daw is medyo gas guzzler.

[ericson21]

(sorry for the double post, ayaw ma edit ng 1st post ko eh, additional lang.)

kung long time gagamitin, go for gas. why? mas madali ito i maintain. pang matagalan talaga na gamit ang gas na sasakyan. mas mura ang maintenance compare sa diesel.

kung sandalian lang naman, mga 5 years tapos palit ka na, diesel ka na. why? mas mahal ang maintenance ng diesel sa gas, mas madami ding pinapalitang pyesa sa diesel kesa gas, idagdag mo pa yung injection pump at SCV tapos me calibration pa hehe. pero for me nasa alaga lang yan, proper maintenance para tumagal, pati sa krudo, sa maayos dapat na gas station magpa karga. :D

kung FC, diesel ka padin. mas mura ang karga ng diesel kesa gas. fuel consumption sa city driving ng diesel is 10-12km/L (yung innova ko G na diesel, 10-13km/L city driving, best city driving FC ko is 17km/L) ang gas is 6-8km/L sabi ng mga gas owners.

sa highway driving naman, 14-16km/L pero best FC ko naman sa highway is 18.3km/L :D ang gas naman is 10-13km/L, sabi din ng gas owners ito.

mas hataw din ang diesel kesa sa gas daw, di ko lang sure to. HTH.

pero sa experience ko, sobrang tipid ng D4D innova. ang VVT-i daw is medyo gas guzzler.

[cripple_rooster]

The increased fuel-efficiency and longer lasting of the diesel engine before overhauls already pay-off the higher initial cost and some more expensive PMS procedures. And nowadays the EFI turned the diesel PMS nearly as simple as in a gasoline-powered engine, actually even easier if we consider the absence of an electric ignition setup.

That might help you: workaround ideas to discuss between friends: Diesel engines: some taboos still around it

[hcubueno]

Im in a similar situation. Choosing between the Avanza 1.5G a/t or an Innova E a/t vvti or crdi.

Point of consoiserations are:
- daily ride with only the driver (me or wifey) mon to Friday
- weekend trips to the grocery and church with 2 kids, me and wifey plus yaya and my sister (total 6)
- twice to thrice a yeartrips to the province up north (about 1000km round trip)
- since daily ride to work, suspension should be comfortable and not bouncy.
- max budget is between 800-950K. The current innova has 70k discount as per SA as they are releasing the facelifted version very soon.

Hope you can belp me decide.

[cripple_rooster]

Im in a similar situation. Choosing between the Avanza 1.5G a/t or an Innova E a/t vvti or crdi.

Point of consoiserations are:
- daily ride with only the driver (me or wifey) mon to Friday
- weekend trips to the grocery and church with 2 kids, me and wifey plus yaya and my sister (total 6)
- twice to thrice a yeartrips to the province up north (about 1000km round trip)
- since daily ride to work, suspension should be comfortable and not bouncy.
- max budget is between 800-950K. The current innova has 70k discount as per SA as they are releasing the facelifted version very soon.

Hope you can belp me decide.

Innova with the D4-D will be the most suitable for you. Due to the internal space it would be more comfortable, and more fuel-efficient than the VVT-i.

[userfriendly]

Im in a similar situation. Choosing between the Avanza 1.5G a/t or an Innova E a/t vvti or crdi.

Point of consoiserations are:
- daily ride with only the driver (me or wifey) mon to Friday
- weekend trips to the grocery and church with 2 kids, me and wifey plus yaya and my sister (total 6)
- twice to thrice a yeartrips to the province up north (about 1000km round trip)
- since daily ride to work, suspension should be comfortable and not bouncy.
- max budget is between 800-950K. The current innova has 70k discount as per SA as they are releasing the facelifted version very soon.

Hope you can belp me decide.

I have both. The Avanza FC is not very good. I get around 7 to 8 km/ltr city driving. Dont like using it on the highway. Not very stable, lots of body roll.

I have the Innova J D4D and its very frugal. Since its driver driven, I'm not sure what the actual FC is. However, when we were using the Avanza, a full tank of gas will last a week. Now with the Innova, it last at least 1.5 weeks with more trips (my youngest is now going to preschool).

Comfort, I prefer the Innova's ride. Could be bec the Avanza is 5 years old while the Innova is less than a year old. Space, Innova wins. Both will seat 8 but the Innova has more elbow, leg and trunk space.

You will really apprecite the frugal D4D on those 1000 km round trips.

[revoGSX]

meron po kami:
2000 Revo Diesel GL (dad) - sold last Jan 2012 (180T kms odometer)
2003 Revo Gas 2.0 (mine) - still with us (130T kms odometer)

mas marami ng repairs and maintenance yung revo diesel ni erpats (pero never na open engine), like overheat, overhauled radiator, replaced radiator, replaced brake master cylinder, changed timing belt twice, replaced sanden compressor.. and mga usual na wear and tear na parts ng pms.... btw, needs fuel filter replacement every 20T kms

yung revo gas 2.0 1RZ - replaced clutch repair kit, sira lang yung power antenna, mga usual wear and tear na parts ng pms, needs fuel filter replacement every 40Tkms yun lang ..sobraaaaaaaaaaaa sa lakas sa gas nito, pero yun lang hehe

kung less than 5yrs.. go for Innova Diesel
kung more than 5yrs.. go for Innova Gas

[cripple_rooster]

On the long run, a single diesel engine overhaul, despite the higher cost than a single gasoline-powered engine overhaul, is still cheaper than 2 or 3 gasoline-engine overhauls depending on how far would the engine run...

[AkoiTORYe]

Sa napanood ko sa Discovery Turbo Fifth Gear may comparo ang gas vs diesel with the same traffic condition. They recommended owning a gas variant than diesel. Those who watched it may confirm. Sa laki nga ng SRP difference ng gas vs diesel ay malaking factor ito.

[SEALANDER]

kung long time gagamitin, go for gas. why? mas madali ito i maintain. pang matagalan talaga na gamit ang gas na sasakyan. mas mura ang maintenance compare sa diesel.

kung sandalian lang naman, mga 5 years tapos palit ka na, diesel ka na. why? mas mahal ang maintenance ng diesel sa gas, mas madami ding pinapalitang pyesa sa diesel kesa gas, idagdag mo pa yung injection pump at SCV.

kung FC, diesel ka padin. mas mura ang karga ng diesel kesa gas. fuel consumption sa city driving ng diesel is 10-12km/L (yung innova ko G na diesel, 10-13km/L city driving, best city driving FC ko is 17km/L) ang gas is 6-8km/L sabi ng mga gas owners.

sa highway driving naman, 14-16km/L pero best FC ko naman sa highway is 18.3km/L

Sir kindly elaborate how you arrived at your fuel cobsumption. How did you compute it? What was your speed, traffic condition etc.

If you take care of your diesel engine ( regular PMS) tatagal ito ng more than 10 years. One fine example are the jeepneys. Old school diesel engine pa mga yan. Pero nakikita mo na madami pa din sila na tumatakbo. At wala pa regular PMS mga yan. Ang mahal lang naman sa maintenance ng diesel ay oil because 6-7 liters ang kailangan compared to 4 liters for gas. Besides that halos parehs na sa gasoline ang maintenance cost.

Yung injection pump, scv and other components will last a long time as long as you maintain it regularly. Hindi mahirap mag maintain ng diesel engine. Regular change oil, change fuel/air filter same sa regular PMS ng gasoline except fir spark plugs kasi wala nyan ang diesel engine.

[meledson]

Naguluhan si Wifey sa TAI. cancelled ang Red na Innova E M/T.

sa Toyota Manila bay na lang. G pearl White, M/T. hehehe Tue next week i-deliver. nagbayad na ng reservation.

masaya na ako, masosolo ko avanza ko. :D

tapos may white na 4S pa siya. kanina lang.

[ericson21]

Sir kindly elaborate how you arrived at your fuel cobsumption. How did you compute it? What was your speed, traffic condition etc.

If you take care of your diesel engine ( regular PMS) tatagal ito ng more than 10 years. One fine example are the jeepneys. Old school diesel engine pa mga yan. Pero nakikita mo na madami pa din sila na tumatakbo. At wala pa regular PMS mga yan. Ang mahal lang naman sa maintenance ng diesel ay oil because 6-7 liters ang kailangan compared to 4 liters for gas. Besides that halos parehs na sa gasoline ang maintenance cost.

Yung injection pump, scv and other components will last a long time as long as you maintain it regularly. Hindi mahirap mag maintain ng diesel engine. Regular change oil, change fuel/air filter same sa regular PMS ng gasoline except fir spark plugs kasi wala nyan ang diesel engine.

yung MID ng G ko yun ang reading sir sa average FC eh. speed ko city driving nung nakuha ko yung 17km/L was 60kph na ata pinaka mabilis, shifting gears at 1.8k RPM, traffic condition was light - moderate. range was 24kms one way.

yung sa 18kms/L naman, range was 126km one way. average speed was 80kph. traffic condition was light - moderate too.

diesel din innova ko like yours sir, 2011 na bronze mica din, manual nga lang yung sakin, nasa pag aalaga lang talaga. nung 1st kasi sa D4D issues, kahit regular PMS yung ginawa lumabas padin problema eh kaya ko lang nasabi yun. meron ako kakilala na innova owner na na biktima nun eh. pero warranty naman kaya ok lang sa case niya.

[markduguran]

waaaahhhhh which is which? very confused...

[F-14]

waaaahhhhh which is which? very confused...

Before I was in your situation (gas vs diesel car)!

My statistics favored the "gas" engine based on;
-100k price difference of diesel
-Maintenance
-short distance (20km) for everyday use. Less than 15k km a year.
-gas is more refine in engine performance for a car.
(unless the vibration & sound of a diesel is ok for you)
-a 10k price difference of Fuel every year favored the diesel but can be offset with their initial cost for 10years.

Hope this will help!

[amir1223]

waaaahhhhh which is which? very confused...

ganito na lang bos...its really up to you kung ano kukunin mo...choose whichever unit your budget will permit..as one TS mentioned, yung durability ng sasakyan either gas or diesel engine depends on the user's maintenance of the car. so since mas mahal ang diesel variant and if you have the budget, go for it..if short ka nman, go for the gas one...ako honestly short ang budget ko kaya i went for the gas variant and i'm satisfied with its performance at sa fuel consumption...if my budget nga lang ako nung kinuha ko to, baka i shifted for the diesel one...yun nga lang, sabi nila if you plan to keep the car 5 yrs and above, go for the gas, if less than 5 years, go for the diesel one..ako balak ko pa nman magpalit before the 5-year period pero short talaga budget ko nun kaya eto na kinuha ko...so its your choice talaga bos for the final decision..

[SEALANDER]

Huwag mo na isipin kung less than 5yrs or more than 5 yrs mo gagamitin. Kahit gas o diesel pa yan basta alagaan mo lang ng mabuti. Tatagal yan for sure. Preference mo yan. Kung ano napupusuan mo yun ang kunin mo. Follow your hearts desire.

Wala na yung mga D4D issues na yan. Wala ka na naman naririnig na mga kwento. They may have solved that problem. If diesel kukunin mo just follow the regular PMS and choose the gasoline station where you gas up. Doon ka sa hindi binabaha.

[dr. d]

try this simplified computation re. gas vs. diesel:
i do 1,000 km mileage per month x 12 months = 12,000 km/yr. at 11 km/liter for my D4D, that's 1,091 liters diesel fuel a year. and at 46 kesos per liter, that's 50,186 kesos per year spent on fuel alone.
for gas, it's 8 km/liter. therefore, it's 12,000 km/yr dibay dibay 8 km/liter using the VVTi, that's 1,500 liters a year. at 55 kesos per liter, that's 82,500 kesos annual fuel expense.
82,500 - 50,186 = 32,314 kesos more fuel expense per year if you choose gas and not diesel innova. i use more oil than the VVTi, but then, i don't have to replace spark plugs.. put your maintenance expenses here..
it'll take just over 3 years for you to eat up the 100,000 keso difference between diesel and gas models.
now, the question on how you measure km vis a vis fuel: i just set my trip meter to zero at the start of the month, when my orange fuel low indicator lights up. then, i fill up and fill up and fill up, whenever my fuel gauge goes low. at the end of several cycles, when my fuel low lights up again, i simply read my trip meter and total the liters of fuel i filled up.. that way, i get X number of km traveled using Y number of liters fuel used up.