Is Toyota still forcing you to do 5,000km PMS?

[Vodka]

i'm in the market for a new car but i've been staying away from Toyotas lately because of the stupid 5,000km PMS interval during the warranty period. even if it's stated clearly in the manual that it's 10,000km when driven under NORMAL conditions

modern engines, oils, and filters are certainly capable of 10,000. this is the recommendation of the smart people who built the engines

good thing we now have honda, chevy, (and others?) with 10,000 or 6-months PMS interval

so it's 2014. toyota is still forcing you to do 5,000?

[_Qwerty_]

pag regular oil.. they require every 5K PMS.. pag FS oil.. 10K.. personally, ok na din yung every 5K para ma checkup yung sasakyan, tires, etc..

[JohnM]

The tiny teacups they call oil filters won't last 10k

[kimbon]

Agreed. Toyota OEM oil filter is rubbish. I change oil regularly using baldwin filter every 5K in spite of using FS oil. Mas maganda ang takbo ng makina at slight improvement din sa FC pag regular ang change oil..

The tiny teacups they call oil filters won't last 10k

[Retz]

^

and the thing is mas mahal pa yan sa baldwin filter.

[kimbon]

yup bet... Sabi nga nila bang for the buck ang baldwin. naghoard na nga ako eh... Whahahha
BTW just wondering ang Altis 11Gen ba ay BT223 din ba kaya ang oil filter???

[dr. d]

'think that's bad? what about the hyundai 5 year warranty? heh heh.
but hey! if you want to cash in on their 3 year warranty, you have to do their 5K intervals.
it's the golden rule.. they have the gold, they make the rules.

you're willing to give up the "legendary toyota reliability" for a measly 10K in forced maintenance savings?

[7138]

kung puro highway driving ka lang, that is normal driving conditions.

but if you do towing, and especially EDSA stop and go, rush hour traffic everyday,
that is already considered as severe driving conditions.

which requires 5T kms oil change.

[Retz]

kung puro highway driving ka lang, that is normal driving conditions.

but if you do towing, and especially EDSA stop and go, rush hour traffic everyday,
that is already considered as severe driving conditions.

which requires 5T kms oil change.

exactly my point sir.

[Vodka]

you're willing to give up the "legendary toyota reliability" for a measly 10K in forced maintenance savings?

then why are hondas doing 10,000 then? it's not about reliability because the toyota manual says 10,000. and hondas certainly are doing very well it could even be argued that hondas are more reliable.

it's a cash grab because people are willing to fork over the cash for the placebo effect

if the toyota is driven in metro manila traffic i can understand the 5,000 interval but i live in the province. i definitely fall under the NORMAL conditions so the 10,000 interval is really nothing but a money making scheme

in fact after the warranty period i've done the 10,000 interval on my old corolla. it's like 20yrs old by now and the owner is still happy with it

[niky]

in fact after the warranty period i've done the 10,000 interval on my old corolla. it's like 20yrs old by now and the owner is still happy with it

The 4AFE is different from the 1ZZ and 1ZR engines... this is the deal:

As for my 2003 Altis, Im already using a FS oil (Motul Htech) but I still do change oil every 5k just to prevent possible sludging of the engine. (this is already outside casa)

i remember a few years ago, the altis (and other cars, too? i don't know..) had a reputation for oil sludging if not religiously serviced...

i also vaguely remember that sometime ago, the altis was up there in the fuel frugality listing..

As per my research, a combination of piston rings designed for low sulfur fuel, a lack of piston-cooling and the nature of the Z engines to run hot in traffic causes the sludging. Synthetic helps slow down the breakdown and sludge formation, but it's not a cure. Some US owners report oil consumption of over a liter between intervals.

That's the price you pay for fuel economy.

The new ZR has improved rings and presumably better piston cooling, but Toyota is still sticking to the 5k interval.

For all local manufacturers, you get the 5k interval unless you use synthetic oil. If you want to go 10k, it makes a whole lot of sense to go synthetic, anyway... unless you want to collect engine-sized paperweights.

[Vodka]

The 4AFE is different from the 1ZZ and 1ZR engines... this is the deal:





As per my research, a combination of piston rings designed for low sulfur fuel, a lack of piston-cooling and the nature of the Z engines to run hot in traffic causes the sludging. Synthetic helps slow down the breakdown and sludge formation, but it's not a cure. Some US owners report oil consumption of over a liter between intervals.

That's the price you pay for fuel economy.

The new ZR has improved rings and presumably better piston cooling, but Toyota is still sticking to the 5k interval.

For all local manufacturers, you get the 5k interval unless you use synthetic oil. If you want to go 10k, it makes a whole lot of sense to go synthetic, anyway... unless you want to collect engine-sized paperweights.

well toyota still insisted on 5,000 even during the 4afe days...

http://www.toyota-tech.eu/Maintenanc...uris/Final.pdf

that document says 15,000 kms interval for NORMAL

7,500 for SEVERE

for 1ZR engine

i've also tried to read up a little on these engines. i've read reports of them burning too much oil. and the sludging issue. seems like they're not very good engines, no? :D

[Retz]

i'm in the market for a new car but i've been staying away from Toyotas lately because of the stupid 5,000km PMS interval during the warranty period. even if it's stated clearly in the manual that it's 10,000km when driven under NORMAL conditions

modern engines, oils, and filters are certainly capable of 10,000. this is the recommendation of the smart people who built the engines

good thing we now have honda, chevy, (and others?) with 10,000 or 6-months PMS interval

so it's 2014. toyota is still forcing you to do 5,000?

nasa pinas tayo considered as harsh driving condition kaya i don't see anything wrong with 5k pms especially with engine oil.

[Manilablock]

Magkano ba ang 5k pms at 10k pms?

baka magulat ka sa cosg ng 5k pms + 5k pms => 10k pms

[romeocharlie]

The fact na na-consider mo ang toyota means you believe in their cars..

You don't need to rant about their pms, no one is pushing you to buy a toyota.. Go get a honda and enjoy their 10k pms..




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[Vodka]

The fact na na-consider mo ang toyota means you believe in their cars..

You don't need to rant about their pms, no one is pushing you to buy a toyota.. Go get a honda and enjoy their 10k pms..




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Wow thanks! So rude!

of course i can rant about it coz i've paid my money for this PMS that i don't really need. you're the one who shouldn't be ranting about my post LOL. if you want to be a willing victim to this scam then do whatever makes you happy

as i've said before if driven within metro manila then 5,000 interval is ok, but if not then these car companies SHOULD NOT FORCE EVERYONE into this 5,000 interval. it's a scam folks

[Walter]

Try to read your vehicle's manual again, it will say change oil every 10T kms but you need to change oil more frequently for severe driving conditions. As stated by someone already, driving in Metro Manila traffic can be categorized as severe driving condition.

Don't label people as rude just because they don't agree with your point of view.

[Vodka]

Try to read your vehicle's manual again, it will say change oil every 10T kms but you need to change oil more frequently for severe driving conditions. As stated by someone already, driving in Metro Manila traffic can be categorized as severe driving condition.

Don't label people as rude just because they don't agree with your point of view.

NORMAL CONDITIONS: 10,000

SEVERE CONDITIONS: 5,000

driving in the provinces, through nlex and sctex, falls under NORMAL, but toyota still insists on 5,000 that's why i'm saying it's a scam

i'm saying he's rude coz he said that i shouldn't be ranting about it. of course i can rant about it. and no it's not even a matter of point of view. this is not my opinion, it's stated clearly in the manual, NORMAL and SEVERE

[blacksun25]

to TS, nasa yo pa rin naman ang choice eh. so i wouldn't call it "force".. inexplain naman siguro sa yo yan ng SA mo na 5000Kms ang PMS ng oto mo when you purchase the car. kung hindi inexplain sa yo then that's the time we can call it a scam.

i bought my innova brand new feb 2011. never sya nakatikim ng casa service. it's over 3 years now and wala ako naging problema.

5000Kms PMS is a fair trade off if you want to keep your warranty intact.

[Vodka]

to TS, nasa yo pa rin naman ang choice eh. so i wouldn't call it "force".. inexplain naman siguro sa yo yan ng SA mo na 5000Kms ang PMS ng oto mo when you purchase the car. kung hindi inexplain sa yo then that's the time we can call it a scam.

i bought my innova brand new feb 2011. never sya nakatikim ng casa service. it's over 3 years now and wala ako naging problema.

5000Kms PMS is a fair trade off if you want to keep your warranty intact.

that's why i said i voted with my money and have stayed away from toyotas lately. that's why i posted this thread to ask if the situation has improved over on the toyota side coz the new corolla seems interesting...

let me explain again why it's a scam. there are two intervals NORMAL and SEVERE. even if you drive under NORMAL conditions toyota is still forcing you to adhere to the SEVERE schedule, else they'd void your warranty. it's a scam plain and simple. it doesn't matter what the SA says beforehand, it's stated clearly in the manual that NORMAL interval is 10,000.

of course the SA will tell you 5,000 because he's a toyota philippines employee LOL

again this is an issue of WHAT PMS IS REALLY NEEDED, under normal conditions it's 10,000. forcing the customer (under threat of voiding the warranty) to pay more than he has to is simply not right

yes the correct word is "force". coz if you don't then they'll void your warranty. yeah i know i know if you buy a toyota then naturally you'd be aware of the 5k interval, but again i ask you this: DO YOU REALLY NEED 5,000 INTERVAL?

the answer is clear, the manual explicitly says so. it's money-making scheme people, time to wake up!