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  1. Join Date
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    #1
    mga brus, since most of the power steering problem threads here ay tungkol sa PS pump and/or hoses, gumawa na lang ako thread for rack and pinion problems. (mods, paki merge na lang kung meron na pala ganito)

    anyway i need expert advice on my wife's civic esi power steering problem. may leak siya at sure ako na ndi sa hose kaya pinababa ko yung buong gearbox assembly para mainspect.

    eto yung observation ko at nung mekaniko

    1.) dun sa part ng steering rack na may ngipin (gears), merong "tama" as evidenced by varying colors of affected part. ndi na shiny as compared dun sa ibang part ng rack,

    2.) at the opposite end, sabi ng mekaniko meron din daw scoring or scratch marks. the scratch marks look natural and ndi siya nagresulta sa pagkawala ng kinang nung steering rack as compared to obervation 1.

    ang recommendation ng mekaniko is to replace the whole assembly instead of repairing since ndi naman daw guaranteed na mawawala ang leak kung may tama na nag steering rack.

    mejo nag aalangan ako kasi palagay ko yung scoring marks sa may gear part is not an issue since dun sa tapat ng gears, therefore ndi siya sakop ng oil seal ang oil rings. yung marks sa opposite end sa palagay ko ay natural marks lang at ndi talaga deep scoring marks. (pinicturan ko kaso ndi naman kita dahil makintab ang bakal). ngayon pinababaklas ko yung steering rack para mainspect yung kabuuan niya.

    now i need expert opinion on this. san ba makakmura? mangaganak kasi si misis in a few months kaya nagtitipid :D

    at san makakaisgurado? repair or palit? how about cost?

    will update pagbalik ko sa talyer. tnx

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    eto yung mga pics. magkano kaya buong assembly?

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    based sa nakita ko kanina dun sa buong steering rack, yung part sa may gears (back side) ng rack lang ang may konting marks. the rest is mukang ok pa pero i am leaning towards buying the whole assembly na lang ng nung nasa pic. surplus lang.

    any idea where to buy. specific surplus shop in evangelista?

    estimated cost?

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    medyo off topic sir.. pero yung pang mb100 na bnew steering rack is 14t-16t, surplus is 7t-9t, depende sa source. sabi kapag japanese car daw mas mura.. IMO mas nirerecomend ng ibang mga shop ang bago na steering rack sir kasi may possibility na may tama din yung mabibiling surplus, buti kung magbibigay ng guarantee yung bibilhan mo ng surplus.. meron daw kasi ibang surplus na hindi visible ang damage..

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    funkgruvn, yung sa iyo steering rack lang pinalitan? ndi yung buong assembly?

    kung surplus kasi, ang balak ko bilihin is yung buo na. isasalpak na lang.

    san ka bumili nung steering rack na brand new? kung may contact number ka po din para makapag inquire ako.

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    you can have the rack built up naman kahit may gasgas. dapat alam ng mechanic mo yun.

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    nabanggit naman nung mekaniko yung pag build up pero ako mismo mejo hesitant kung papabuild up. baka magleak uli.

    ano ba ang magiging basehan para sabihing kelangan na build up yung rack? yung tingin ko kasi sa steering rack very minimal yung marks. ndi talaga siya lubog gaya kunwari kung naaksidente yung kotse.

    nagcacanvass ako ng surplus parts ngayon. kung masyadong mahal, will risk the repair kit na lang. dito kasi ako sa province. mejo kulang sa time lumuwas jan sa manila para pumunta sa mga experts sa steering at pumunta sa auto supply shops.

    anyways, tnx sa mga suggestions!

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    oils seals lang kailangan niyan. di naman umiikot ng high speed yan para maging issue. change mo muna seals ikabit then observe. It's cheaper than changing the whole assembly. para sa akin yun. try mong tawagan si ferdy 02-3603268. gumagawa siya ng PS.

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    [QUOTE=afrasay;843641]oils seals lang kailangan niyan. di naman umiikot ng high speed yan para maging issue.


    i'll consider this point in making my final decision


    change mo muna seals ikabit then observe. It's cheaper than changing the whole assembly. para sa akin yun. try mong tawagan si ferdy 02-3603268. gumagawa siya ng PS.


    gumagawa din ba siya ng leak sa steering gearbox (rack and pinion)?

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    * four the boys ayos na auto mo sir? yung sa kin di pa napaayos e.. kulang budget.. sinubukan na palitan oil seals ko dati pero ganun pa rin tumatagas, kaso nabawasan lang tagas di na katulad ng dati naubos agad fluid, sa case ko siguro dapat na palitan steering rack assembly kasi namachineshop na yun dati e.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkngruvn View Post
    * four the boys ayos na auto mo sir? yung sa kin di pa napaayos e.. kulang budget.. sinubukan na palitan oil seals ko dati pero ganun pa rin tumatagas, kaso nabawasan lang tagas di na katulad ng dati naubos agad fluid, sa case ko siguro dapat na palitan steering rack assembly kasi namachineshop na yun dati e.
    kakabili ko pa lang ng repair kit kanina. may work kasi ako ng mon to fri kaya weekend lang ako nakakaluwas jan sa manila.

    got my repair kit from carpower. Php2,100 binigay sa akin nung orly. OEM daw.

    sa monday pa bubuuin ng mekaniko ko yung steering gearbox. sana ndi na tumagas. ndi pa naman na machine shop yung steering rack ko kasi wala naman tama dun sa part na abot ng oil seal. makinis pa except the back side of the gear. pero after thorougly analyzing the how the parts move, yung "scratch marks" should not affect the oil seals. kaya siya may marks ay dahil sa rack guide.

    if u have the money, bili ka ng bagong steering rack 6K brands new (carpower). 3.5K surplus - inspect mo mabuti for damage esp dun sa abot ng oil seals. if you more money, surplus na buo. isasalpak na lang. 12K to 17K (canvass ko ito sa banawe).

    will inform you next week kung success yung repair work. i'm trusting the mechanic naman. mejo may alam naman yun sa "science" of automobiles :D

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    [QUOTE=fourtheboys96;843707]
    Quote Originally Posted by afrasay View Post
    oils seals lang kailangan niyan. di naman umiikot ng high speed yan para maging issue.


    i'll consider this point in making my final decision


    change mo muna seals ikabit then observe. It's cheaper than changing the whole assembly. para sa akin yun. try mong tawagan si ferdy 02-3603268. gumagawa siya ng PS.


    gumagawa din ba siya ng leak sa steering gearbox (rack and pinion)?
    Yup, rack and pinion and recirculating ball type.

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    visited the car yesterday and nakabit na ng mekaniko yung steering gearbox with the new o-ring and oil seal.

    may tulo pa din dun sa passenger side of the steering rack. pero dun sa driver side na dating may leak, ayus na. baka ndi kaya nung oil seal nung repair kit. makinis pa yung steering rack ko eh so i am sure na ndi yun ang problem.

    i am looking to replace the new oil seal at that end with one from caloocan oil seal corp (see other thread).

    PS. from what i have observed, madali lang siyang palitan ng oil seals even the pump siguro. ang hassle lang is yung pagkalas from the car lalo kung susuot ka pa sa ilalalim ng kotse :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by fourtheboys96 View Post
    PS. from what i have observed, madali lang siyang palitan ng oil seals even the pump siguro. ang hassle lang is yung pagkalas from the car lalo kung susuot ka pa sa ilalalim ng kotse :D

    kaya nga we have mehanic to do the hard stuff para may reserve tayo lakas for...

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    ...work. :D

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    pre ngkproblema n din ako ng ganyan ung marks n npasin ko mkhang tama lang wear n tear ng shaft shinny or dull ang tngin ko hindi nman ata gas2 n ukit, for me buy ako 2 bearing nyan at un 3 or 4 oilseal sa caloocan wala pa sa half ng price ng repair kit nyan na npkamahal hehehe
    Take note lang when buying oil seal same type dapat (hydraulic type) o kya bangitin muna na png pwerstering. pinoy kc pgndnig pwerstring mmhalan k kgad hehehe

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    update: got the car yesterday at sabi ng mekaniko wala na daw tulo. will observe for a fwe days kung wala na nga leak.

    but the problem now is maganit naman yung steering. as in hard steering. ibalik ko sa kanya kasi baa napahigpit yung isang nut dun sa gearbox. i hope dun lang ang problema.

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    buti naayos yung sayo sir.. bakit kaya yung sa kin minsan malakas yung tulo, minsan naman halos walang tulo ng fluid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkngruvn View Post
    buti naayos yung sayo sir.. bakit kaya yung sa kin minsan malakas yung tulo, minsan naman halos walang tulo ng fluid?

    dati ganun din sa amin. minsan malakas minsan halos walang tagas. kaso biglang consistently malakas siya kaya pinaayos na namin.

    ang problema naman ngayon ay very hard ang steering even after adjusting the rack guide. i am thinking about the PS pump (which has been service some 2 tears ago) or the valve body. haayyy....

    paano ma check kung nagana pa yung PS pump?

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    if malambot steering mo before the steering rack was overhauled then dapat malambot parin sya after. if tumigas sya then look towards the work done on the rack as the culprit imo.

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