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    #101
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Manny lost both speed and power when he is about 32-33 yrs old. Remember he still was able to KO Dela Joya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey (he was a chicken that doesn't want to sleep) Margarito. Bradley and his last opponet was lucky Pacman got older already.

    BTW: Manny and Roach should also add the uppercut to his arsenal. Bradley made a lot of ducking and upward swings. He could have sneeked a couple of uppercuts and surely some would connect. A right uppercut and then left hook to the head and then right & left hook (4) punch combinations should be developed imho.

    Well, today's version of Pacquiao is vastly different from the one who KO'd Barrera, Morales, Hatton, and De La Hoya. He's a smarter fighter than the relentless brawler of years before, but still among the best IMHO. That said, a few months shy of 36 yo., he should hang up his gloves and just enjoy the rest of his life instead of courting major injuries like other boxers who didn't know when to quit.

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    #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    Well, today's version of Pacquiao is vastly different from the one who KO'd Barrera, Morales, Hatton, and De La Hoya. He's a smarter fighter than the relentless brawler of years before, but still among the best IMHO. That said, a few months shy of 36 yo., he should hang up his gloves and just enjoy the rest of his life instead of courting major injuries like other boxers who didn't know when to quit.
    I agree, Pacman was way better as a fighter now than a decade ago although his power & speed obviously is not the same anymore. And I absolutely agree also that he should retire already. Well we've been asking him to retire 2 years ago.

    Kaso may 2 years pa daw siya sa kanyang boxing journey. So 37 na siya magretire imho.

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    #103
    Quote Originally Posted by FauxPas View Post
    Pac still has the power but his speed is sub par already. He came from light flyweight then built his way up to welterweight. When you pack up pounds to move up in weight divisions you gain power but lose speed. He used to knockout opponents at a certain era but remember most of his knockouts came from light flyweight - featherweight(Barrera,Morales,etc.) - smaller opponents. His trademark style that time was speed combined with deadly power. As he moved up it became power over speed. Natural born welterweight fighters(Bradley) pack more power and speed as they join divisions which prove to be optimal to their style and natural built not to mention they have higher pain tolerance. Most boxers say that unseen punches are the punches that hurt the most(regardless of power), so the key in achieving this is through speed - which Manny gave up for power(as he moved up divisions).
    true that, but look at what he did to cotto, margarito and mosley which is much bigger than bradley and had the toughest chin in boxing. margarito and cotto were built like tanks and look what happened to their face after they fought pacman. his speed was there and packed a lot of power behind it plus his punches on those fights was much much sharper compared to his most recent fights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Manny lost both speed and power when he is about 32-33 yrs old. Remember he still was able to KO Dela Joya, Hatton, Cotto, Clottey (he was a chicken that doesn't want to sleep) Margarito. Bradley and his last opponet was lucky Pacman got older already.

    BTW: Manny and Roach should also add the uppercut to his arsenal. Bradley made a lot of ducking and upward swings. He could have sneeked a couple of uppercuts and surely some would connect. A right uppercut and then left hook to the head and then right & left hook (4) punch combinations should be developed imho.
    i've been saying repeatedly that ever since he fought mosley, pacmans performance has been declining. before then i was pretty sure he had a huge chance of beating gayweather but now, i just don't take he has what it takes to beat gayweather anymore.

    he is still one of the best no doubt about that but it is obvious that he is not on his prime anymore. he's breathing through his mouth within 5 rounds compared to back then where his breathing is still normal after the fight that makes it look like he could go through 20 rounds. his foot is still good but flat compared to when he was on his prime, speed and power is still there but again not like when he was on his prime. last, his punches aren't as sharp as they used to. age is the biggest enemy of every athlete and it's coming for him na. that's why he should retire while his record is pretty damn great. i just don't want to see him end his career like arturo gatti and roy jones jr, didn't know when to quit and didn't want to admit they're past their prime already so near the end of their career they couldn't even beat unknown/amateur fighters.

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    #104
    pacman is a part-time boxer so i guess he'll never regain the speed, power, and viciousness he once tormented his opponents with. his bulging muscles aren't as apparent as they were 3-4 years. during his latest official match weigh-ins his once impressive ab muscles are now no longer as prominent as his rival's during the preening sessions following their date w/ the weighing scale.

    i guess it's safe to say he is on the last stretch of a boxer's boxing legs. baka 2 years is even stretching it na
    Last edited by baludoy; April 14th, 2014 at 12:02 PM.

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    #105
    we ended up watching at Shakey's Lourdes branch (near Kalentong).. free yung pay per view.. oorder lang..

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    #106
    they're thinking of a packy-marquez V.
    but by that time 41yo na si marquez.

    di pwede kasi agarin. may laban pa si juanma this may or june ba?

    magiging laban ng mga lolo na


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    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    they're thinking of a packy-marquez V.
    but by that time 41yo na si marquez.

    di pwede kasi agarin. may laban pa si juanma this may or june ba?

    magiging laban ng mga lolo na


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    Sana matuloy yan tapos retire na si Manny. Nadali lang talaga last time, sakit nang pagkatalo eh.

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    #108
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    Sana matuloy yan tapos retire na si Manny. Nadali lang talaga last time, sakit nang pagkatalo eh.
    Ayaw na ata ni Marquez. Muntik na kasi siya ang ma-KO at bugbog pa talaga.

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    #109
    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    Ayaw na ata ni Marquez. Muntik na kasi siya ang ma-KO at bugbog pa talaga.
    Kapag manalo si JMM sa upcoming fight niya tuloy daw. Yun lang requirement kasi in principle gusto pa din talaga ni JMM kumita. hehehe

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    #110
    kung ako kay pacman titigilan ko na yang si marquez.. wala na naman syang dapat patunayan.. nung last fight nila sinwerte lang talaga si marquez.. mamaya swertehin ulit yan.. eh di purnada na naman si pacman..

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    #111
    Quote Originally Posted by chua_riwap View Post
    they're thinking of a packy-marquez V.
    but by that time 41yo na si marquez.

    di pwede kasi agarin. may laban pa si juanma this may or june ba?

    magiging laban ng mga lolo na


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    manonood pa kaya si mommy D?

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    #112
    Do you think that the Pacquiao we saw yesterday against Bradley could possibly beat Mayweather?

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    yan din pinag uusapan namin nung mga kasama ko..

    i don't think the Pacquiao now can beat Mayweather.. baka bumagsak pa sya kay Mayweather.. he should fight someone else.. maximum of 2 more fights then retire..

    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    Do you think that the Pacquiao we saw yesterday against Bradley could possibly beat Mayweather?

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    #114
    Quote Originally Posted by baludoy View Post
    pacman is a part-time boxer so i guess he'll never regain the speed, power, and viciousness he once tormented his opponents with.
    I think the part-time is the major part. In the end, he outboxed Bradley, who was in better shape than he was, but since Pacquiao no longer has the time for full-time conditioning and training, he's not going to be the knockout machine he used to be.

    I've always thought that moving up to welterweight was a bad idea... it was obvious from his early welterweight fights that some of that physical speed was missing. But Pacquiao has been able to use his wits and reflexes to outbox almost all of his opponents, save for Marquez... whether that last KO was lucky or careless, Marquez has always seemed to have Manny's number.

    I don't believe in Pacquiao-Marquez V. Marquez is getting too old. Still, would be nice to see Pacquiao take down the only guy he couldn't beat. And Prettyboy will probably never fight Manny. He might win, he might not (I give it 50:50 against this Manny... against the Manny of the last two fights, 60:40 for Mayweather), but we all know he doesn't want to take that chance... for me, that's victory for Manny, right there. :hysterical:
    Last edited by niky; April 14th, 2014 at 03:41 PM.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #115
    quite ironic on how a declining(debatable) Pacquiao beat a world class boxer in his prime. iba talaga si Manny!

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    #116
    Quote Originally Posted by FauxPas View Post
    quite ironic on how a declining(debatable) Pacquiao beat a world class boxer in his prime. iba talaga si Manny!
    Sabi nga nang ibang analyst, freak of nature din si Manny. Hindi ka makakakita nang ganyang athlete nang basta-basta. Parang si LBJ din eh.

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    #118
    Quote Originally Posted by Retz View Post
    Do you think that the Pacquiao we saw yesterday against Bradley could possibly beat Mayweather?

    Only Mayweather hmself can answer that Q. If he agrees to fight Manny then it only means that he can see a bright future for him. Pero kung tuloy pa rin ang pag dak dak niya at pagtakbo, he surely can't see that bright future.

    Sa napanood kong mga laban ni Mayweather wala naman siyang killer instinct eh na gaya ni Manny, panggugulang uu madame...

    i'm surprised, kasi dati laging may sinasabi si Mayweather pagkatapos ng laban niya o ni Manny, pero ngayon mukhang tahimik lang siya at hindi nagpapapansin. Let's wait for the following days to come kung puputak si May.

    Tumatanda si Manny, si Mayweather bumabata?
    Last edited by erick_214; April 14th, 2014 at 10:33 PM.

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    #119
    Quote Originally Posted by erick_214 View Post

    Only Mayweather hmself can answer that Q. If he agrees to fight Manny then it only means that he can see a bright future for him. Pero kung tuloy pa rin ang pag dak dak niya at pagtakbo, he surely can't see that bright future.

    Sa napanood kong mga laban ni Mayweather wala naman siyang killer instinct eh na gaya ni Manny, panggugulang uu madame...

    i'm surprised, kasi dati laging may sinasabi si Mayweather pagkatapos ng laban niya o ni Manny, pero ngayon mukhang tahimik lang siya at hindi nagpapapansin. Let's wait for the following days to come kung puputak si May.

    Tumatanda si Manny, si Mayweather bumabata?

    tumatanda na si manny dahil sa mga tinamasa nyang bugbog throughout his boxing career pero si pretty boy bihira lang ma bugbog with his elusive shoulder roll defense.

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    #120
    pac vs pretty boy, top rank vs golden boy, hbo vs showtime

    a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

    if there's a miracle out there that a rare fight like this will ever happen within my lifetime, then i go for pac, unanide!

    bring em those fancy footwork and weird angular one-two's, and bamm! he aint gonna be pretty no more

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