An Invention That (Could) Change the World

[niky]

The slums are situated in the urban and suurban areas.

Thee areas are mostly electrified. Most of the squatters have electrical appliances and lighting.

If un-electrified slums are the target market, they are a small niche market. Then you are not changing the world.

Uh. Who said anything about UN-ELECTRIFIED slums?

Nasa very first post ko:

The typical baro baro in the slum is built wall-to-wall with the next baro baro... and there's very little natural lighting to be had from open windows. A solar bulb like this is much less expensive than a natural skylight or even installing a light bulb (needs bulb, mount, switch, electrical wiring, etcetera). It can be done for just a hundred bucks (retail... cost to do is just 50 pesos). It's not useful the entire day, but it can cut down on the need for electricity. If it saves a household 100-200 pesos a month... with the only maintenance cost being to replace the water every few months... isn't it worth it?

"Cut down", ergo... gumagamit ng electricity nga yung bahay... kung walang kuryente, bakit kailangan magtipid ng kuryente? Laboooooo.

If you're urban poor, electricity can cost you from 500-1000 pesos. If you can save about 100 to 200 pesos on lights during the daytime (especially kung wala sa budget CFL o LED), that goes a long way for people making less than 5k a month.

[d_mac]

Uh. Who said anything about UN-ELECTRIFIED slums?

Nasa very first post ko:



"Cut down", ergo... gumagamit ng electricity nga yung bahay... kung walang kuryente, bakit kailangan magtipid ng kuryente? Laboooooo.

If you're urban poor, electricity can cost you from 500-1000 pesos. If you can save about 100 to 200 pesos on lights during the daytime (especially kung wala sa budget CFL o LED), that goes a long way for people making less than 5k a month.

Chief Niky, he's not getting it, pabayaan mo na lang

Ikaw lang talaga pinaka-sensible dito, the reason why pinag-uusapan din itong thread na ito it's mostly because of you ;)

Cheers!

[andywesteast]

Uh. Who said anything about UN-ELECTRIFIED slums?

Nasa very first post ko:



"Cut down", ergo... gumagamit ng electricity nga yung bahay... kung walang kuryente, bakit kailangan magtipid ng kuryente? Laboooooo.

If you're urban poor, electricity can cost you from 500-1000 pesos. If you can save about 100 to 200 pesos on lights during the daytime (especially kung wala sa budget CFL o LED), that goes a long way for people making less than 5k a month.

Most of the squatters have jumper electricity. They do not have to pay 500 to 1000 in electricity bills.

If this bote light is meant to lessen the squatters electric bills, then its not world changing.

I can see a large squatter colony from our condo building in Makati, none are using the bote light.

[niky]

Most of the squatters have jumper electricity. They do not have to pay 500 to 1000 in electricity bills.

If this bote light is meant to lessen the squatters electric bills, then its not world changing.

I can see a large squatter colony from our condo building in Makati, none are using the bote light.

Squatters "share" meters. You can see a single "legit" meter being shared and submetered ad infinitum sometimes. And in some areas, there are a dozen meters or more for just a single lot. Never been inside one, I suppose?

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Not all good ideas have to be expensive.

What's your definition of "world changing"? Should there be a dozen installations? A hundred? A thousand? A hundred thousand? Two hundred thousand?

Because they've passed that already. (over 200k installs in the Philippines alone)

Whether the electricity displaced is paid for or pilfered, that represents a few hundred million pesos worth of electricity that is not being used.

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By the way:

How many solar thermal hydrogen power stations are operational and supplying hydrogen to consumers on a sustainable basis?

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Following that logic: I don't see any prostitutes out on Taft Avenue. Ergo. Walang prosti sa Manila.

[andywesteast]

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[andywesteast]

Squatters "share" meters. You can see a single "legit" meter being shared and submetered ad infinitum sometimes. And in some areas, there are a dozen meters or more for just a single lot. Never been inside one, I suppose?

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Not all good ideas have to be expensive.

What's your definition of "world changing"? Should there be a dozen installations? A hundred? A thousand? A hundred thousand? Two hundred thousand?

Because they've passed that already. (over 200k installs in the Philippines alone)

200k bote lights in a population of 100,000,000 is a niche market.

That is NOT World changing at all.

[niky]

200k bote lights in a population of 100,000,000 is a niche market.

That is NOT World changing at all.

200k installations.

Each installation serves a family of x people.

Which is anywhere from two to a dozen.

Let's say an average of five, which would be typical (if on the small side).

That's a million poor people.

That's hardly "niche".

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And that's 200k in one country.

This project is being done around the world.

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Toyota only sold 10 million cars last year.

In a world of 7,000 million people, that's just a niche product.

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[Retz]

sa raon may nakita ako nagbebenta ng mga solar panels. which cost somewhere between 1k-4k. does it really work? sa mga sidewalk vendors lang nagtitinda.

[niky]

Work? Probably. Yung tanong... ilang watts ang makukuha mo sa ganyang klaseng panels... one?

[Snake1]

200k bote lights in a population of 100,000,000 is a niche market.

That is NOT World changing at all.

This is true.. but shouldnt we try to change the world....1 person or one hosehold at a time?

Anything that we can do to lessen our carbon footprint x the number of people doing it... would somehow make a small contribution towards that end.

Our company supported that project last year. They had shirts sold to employees to help fund it and had volunteers cut up bottles to create the lamps. Im not sure....what developed after that though...

[Retz]

Work? Probably. Yung tanong... ilang watts ang makukuha mo sa ganyang klaseng panels... one?

Yan verify ko sa susunod. Kahit man lang 1 light bulb let say 14w pwede na un.

[12vdc]

^ P4k for 50W around 8k for 100W that does not include the charger/regulator worth P2k, batteries, and inverter.

So far its charging 40Ah VRLA and able to sustain a 60watts VHF transceiver and some basic electronics. Don't know yet up to when the alum cladding would turn into dust, its mounted in a boat e. hehe

BTT: Nice idea.Another stop gap solution that works. I just hope those holes doesn't leak..

[andywesteast]

Another stop gap solution that works. I just hope those holes doesn't leak..

Poor man's version of the skylight.

[niky]

The difference, again, is a skylight doesn't have light diffractive properties.

Fiberglass roofing might achieve the same effect, but a single sheet costs much more than a bottle light.

^ P4k for 50W around 8k for 100W that does not include the charger/regulator worth P2k, batteries, and inverter.

So far its charging 40Ah VRLA and able to sustain a 60watts VHF transceiver and some basic electronics. Don't know yet up to when the alum cladding would turn into dust, its mounted in a boat e. hehe

BTT: Nice idea.Another stop gap solution that works. I just hope those holes doesn't leak..

So, total damage with batteries and inverter? Sounds intriguing. If it can sustain a 60w transceiver, it should be good for several indoor LED bulbs. Kahit hallway lighting lang, okay yun.

[Walter]

sa raon may nakita ako nagbebenta ng mga solar panels. which cost somewhere between 1k-4k. does it really work? sa mga sidewalk vendors lang nagtitinda.

One can buy in an electrical shop a solar panel set with battery and 4 LED lights included. Costs around 5T. Stores in Ongpin and Raon sell these.

[12vdc]

The difference, again, is a skylight doesn't have light diffractive properties.

Fiberglass roofing might achieve the same effect, but a single sheet costs much more than a bottle light.

Plastic and FG transluscent roofing is availalble in the market but not as sturdy as GI that could last 20+yrs.

So, total damage with batteries and inverter? Sounds intriguing. If it can sustain a 60w transceiver, it should be good for several indoor LED bulbs. Kahit hallway lighting lang, okay yun.

More or less 15k including mounting and wiring. Transceiver consumes only when transmitting, most of the time its on standby rx mode and battery on tickle charge.

I have actually one in the farm as a hobby project, it does the automatic lightning timer 6 x 7w LED lights using 2 banks of batteries. Haven't tried it yet for higher loads but im guessing it's running around 40% on its duty cycle (battery mode) using 0.75kva inverter. It does do the job, turns on 6PM then turns off 6AM.. Intitial cost is high while on maintenance side, batteries lasted 2.5years and the panels need regular inspection or cleaning.

For the boat, i need to install one because the engine doesnt have alternator and i don't wanna mess with the already messy engine (it doesn't have electricals, have non-functioning heater plugs. Starts by manually turning the crankshaft with a rope. Unbelievable but yeah it starts in one pull of the rope. lol)

[Retz]

Poor man's version of the skylight.

sa mga malls madami nyan. ung iba clerestory ang tawag.

[niky]

Plastic and FG transluscent roofing is availalble in the market but not as sturdy as GI that could last 20+yrs.

More or less 15k including mounting and wiring. Transceiver consumes only when transmitting, most of the time its on standby rx mode and battery on tickle charge.

I have actually one in the farm as a hobby project, it does the automatic lightning timer 6 x 7w LED lights using 2 banks of batteries. Haven't tried it yet for higher loads but im guessing it's running around 40% on its duty cycle (battery mode) using 0.75kva inverter. It does do the job, turns on 6PM then turns off 6AM.. Intitial cost is high while on maintenance side, batteries lasted 2.5years and the panels need regular inspection or cleaning.

For the boat, i need to install one because the engine doesnt have alternator and i don't wanna mess with the already messy engine (it doesn't have electricals, have non-functioning heater plugs. Starts by manually turning the crankshaft with a rope. Unbelievable but yeah it starts in one pull of the rope. lol)

Yeah... FG roofing, perhaps ten years, tops... the bote light goes five years between refills, and even if you have to replace a sun-weathered plastic bottle every five years, that's cheaper than the roofing.

15k? Not bad. six 7w LEDs is enough for our perimeter lighting at night.

Hmmmm...

[niky]

Plastic and FG transluscent roofing is availalble in the market but not as sturdy as GI that could last 20+yrs.

More or less 15k including mounting and wiring. Transceiver consumes only when transmitting, most of the time its on standby rx mode and battery on tickle charge.

I have actually one in the farm as a hobby project, it does the automatic lightning timer 6 x 7w LED lights using 2 banks of batteries. Haven't tried it yet for higher loads but im guessing it's running around 40% on its duty cycle (battery mode) using 0.75kva inverter. It does do the job, turns on 6PM then turns off 6AM.. Intitial cost is high while on maintenance side, batteries lasted 2.5years and the panels need regular inspection or cleaning.

For the boat, i need to install one because the engine doesnt have alternator and i don't wanna mess with the already messy engine (it doesn't have electricals, have non-functioning heater plugs. Starts by manually turning the crankshaft with a rope. Unbelievable but yeah it starts in one pull of the rope. lol)

Yeah... FG roofing, perhaps ten years, tops... the bote light goes five years between refills, and even if you have to replace a sun-weathered plastic bottle every five years, that's cheaper than the roofing.

15k? Not bad. six 7w LEDs is enough for our perimeter lighting at night.

Hmmmm...