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    So many Filipinos are unable to sue Cebu Pacific... but here comes the famous Atty.

    May these erring airlines get what they deserve

    Atty. Raymond Fortun Sues Airlines to ?Teach Them a Lesson? - When In Manila

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    Sobrang tagal pa noon, balita ko na bump lahat ng Nov 19 to Nov 21. Sa Sat naman sarado korte.

    So mag-draft na sya sa laptop nya ngaun dun. Kaya lang baka hindi nya dala laptop nya, kasi nga dapat makakauwi sya ngaun, doble bwiset ginawa sa kanya ng cebu pac

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    People should really boycott Cebu pacific They have no respect for their customers at all.

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    it's apec.
    is this problem unique to cebupac, or is it "universal" among all the carriers affected by apec?

    boycott cebupac?
    that will not happen. not as long as it offers cheap seats.
    by now, it should be common knowledge that cheap seats do not always come ... cheap. and one has to be a willing gambler, to fly cebupac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
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    it's apec.
    is this problem unique to cebupac, or is it "universal" among all the carriers affected by apec?
    Cebupac should have informed all passengers affected in the cancelled flights beforehand. And dapat inayos din nila yung web checkin system nila. Automatic pa rin nagsesend ng email that you may checkin online kahit na cancelled na yung flight. Just like what happened to a passenger of cebuoac recently circulating in fb, yung cancelled flight din from boracay na nakapag checkin na online.


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    sana naman wag nilang idahilan na kesyo budget airline lang sila....
    walang kinalaman yun sa sistema ng pamamalakad nila.

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    sana naman wag nilang idahilan na kesyo budget airline lang sila....
    walang kinalaman yun sa sistema ng pamamalakad nila.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boybi View Post
    Cebupac should have informed all passengers affected in the cancelled flights beforehand. And dapat inayos din nila yung web checkin system nila. Automatic pa rin nagsesend ng email that you may checkin online kahit na cancelled na yung flight. Just like what happened to a passenger of cebuoac recently circulating in fb, yung cancelled flight din from boracay na nakapag checkin na online.


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    it's their systemic incompetence that they should be made to pay.

    anyhow, there is no cebu pacific airlines listed in the SEC. it conducts business under that name and style only. so, if you file a complaint against it, do not use "cebu pacific airlines" as defendant, RATHER file a case against:

    Cebu Air, Inc., Airlines Operations Center, Domestic Road, Pasay Rd., MM

    And/or

    Cebu Air, Inc., 2/F Doña Juanita Marquez - Limited Bldg., Osmeña Blvd., Cebu

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    Quote Originally Posted by rollyic View Post
    sana naman wag nilang idahilan na kesyo budget airline lang sila....
    walang kinalaman yun sa sistema ng pamamalakad nila.

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    sana naman wag nilang idahilan na kesyo budget airline lang sila....
    walang kinalaman yun sa sistema ng pamamalakad nila.
    Fortun will win this case, hopefully this will serve as basis for future lawsuits against these airlines.

    I wonder how much legal fees Atty Fortun asks. Some books/novels circa 2000 say 500usd/hr.

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    If only we can sue the yellow tards for economic sabotage... How many billions loss just to make this goverment look good.

    Airlines suffer $2-B losses from APEC
    Philippine StarBy By Rudy Santos | Philippine Star – 11 hours ago


    Local and foreign airlines, including private aircraft and chartered planes, lost an estimated $2 billion in revenues following the cancelation of over 1,000 flights at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) for the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit from Nov. 16 to 20.

    An airline industry expert said the most affected were the budget airlines.

    The expert said that most of the airlines are covered by insurance but the low-cost carriers are the hardest hit by the cancellations as they could not rebook their passengers immediately nor book them in hotels.

    Philippine Airlines spokesperson Cielo Villaluna said the airliner lost an estimated $18.7 million. PAL’s gross revenue per day is $7.5 million.

    PAL operates some 260 domestic and international flights daily and the close to 700 cancelled flights are equivalent to two and a half days of operation, Villaluna added.

    “We must stress, however, that the long term benefits of APEC outweigh these aforementioned losses,” Villaluna added.

    Cebu Pacific (CEB), through its corporate communications unit, said the airline lost an estimated P400 million in revenues due to flight cancellations during the APEC summit.

    “CEB is expecting more changes in flight schedules within the week, as this figure may still change,” the firm said.

    Local airline companies cancelled some 1,800 domestic and international flights from Nov. 16 to 20 following the temporary runway closures to give way to the arrival and departure of leaders of APEC member-economies.

    Air Asia Philippines said it cancelled 74 domestic and 10 international flights from Nov. 17 to 20 due to temporary closure of the NAIA runway.

    Other international airlines also cancelled various flights or re-scheduled their departure and arrivals.

    Airport observers said that the cancellation of flights from Manila to other places in the country had affected tourist arrivals in the provinces.

    Observers also said that establishments in the vicinity of the NAIA terminals and the Philippine International Convention Center (PICC) and the routes where convoys of APEC delegates would pass were turned into no-drive zones as private motorists and ordinary citizens were barred, leaving many stranded in heavy traffic caused by the road closure and re-routing.

    With commercial flights restricted at the NAIA, Cebu Pacific and Qatar Airways diverted yesterday some flights to Clark International Airport in Pampanga.

    The Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) said Cebu Pacific AirBus A-320 from Dubai with flight number 5J-7945 landed in Clark while Qatar Airways Boieng-777 aircraft arrived at 10 p.m. Tuesday.

    Cebu Pacific flights from Singapore wre also diverted to Clark.

    Clark airport operations manager Ding Aranas said that despite these developments, regular flights of other airlines at Clark airport would go on uninterrupted.

    These include regular domestic and international flights of Qatar Airways, Asiana Airlines, Dragonair, Jin Air, CebGo, Cebu Pacific, Tiger Air Singapore and Air Asia Berhad.

    Aranas said Cebu Pacific had also diverted domestic flights from NAIA to Clark that were bound for Davao, Dumaguete, Kalibo, Tagbilaran and Puerto Princesa.

    CIAC president and CEO Emigdio Tanjuatco III said Clark airport is prepared to accommodate aircraft at the terminal’s two runways.

    Meanwhile, the Media Affairs Office of the Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) said that passengers with flights to catch this week at NAIA can ride on airport shuttle buses that were deployed to ferry them to their respective terminals by passing through the airside route or service road around the tarmac.

    Passengers are advised to go to designated areas at NAIA and take the shuttle bus from there to be ferried to any of the four terminals.

    The waiting areas are: arrival curbside at NAIA terminal 1 and terminal 2, and bus gate 115 at terminal 3 for transfer passengers.

    Only those with flight bookings will be allowed to board the bus even as help desks are in place to assist passengers. - With Ding Cervantes, Louella Desiderio

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    If only we can sue the yellow tards for economic sabotage... How many billions loss just to make this goverment look good.
    WTF!? The govt did all of these just to make them look good? Hinde ba pwedeng security reason lang? To think mga world leaders dumating dito?

    Dala hi-lite mo naman itong statement sa na quote mo. Natatabunan eh. [emoji3]

    “We must stress, however, that the long term benefits of APEC outweigh these aforementioned losses,” Villaluna added

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    If only we can sue the yellow tards for economic sabotage... How many billions loss just to make this goverment look good.
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    Agree. It is/was economic sabotage.... Again,- they should have held it somewhere else in the Philippines,- like Clark, - where they have the exclusive use of Macapagal Intl Airport, and Subic Bay Port... Away from where ~75% (guestimate) of the economy is being supported

    But then again,- they let their political hand get the better of their logic.... Pathetic line of thinking.

    The last port congestion,- did they lift a finger earlier on to solve it? No,- they waited until it became an economic disaster.... And still after that,- it took them months to get over the hump!

    Let's hold on to the seam of our pants,- as this is another rough ride, until everything normalizes... Worse,- everyone, including our forwarders, were given only a few days' notice that this will happen and everyone's guessing until the last day....Right now,- we have half a dozen shipments from EU waiting somewhere at the Manila Bay... I hope they do not balk.

    What a support from our dear government!

    And they(particularly the executives) are fattening their paychecks,- plus payment of their unused VLs (equivalent to x years) + retirement in a few days??? Railroading approval in the Houses! Deym!

    BTT:

    Yes, in one of the news-video a few months ago, confirming that he lives somewhere in the BF Almanza area,- there was an assassination attempt on his wife and he was emotionally appealing to those responsible not to include his loved ones in their tussle....


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    Quote Originally Posted by CVT View Post


    OT:

    Agree. It is/was economic sabotage.... Again,- they should have held it somewhere else in the Philippines,- like Clark, - where they have the exclusive use of Macapagal Intl Airport, and Subic Bay Port... Away from where ~75% (guestimate) of the economy is being supported

    But then again,- they let their political hand get the better of their logic.... Pathetic line of thinking.

    The last port congestion,- did they lift a finger earlier on to solve it? No,- they waited until it became an economic disaster.... And still after that,- it took them months to get over the hump!

    Let's hold on to the seam of our pants,- as this is another rough ride, until everything normalizes... Worse,- everyone, including our forwarders, were given only a few days' notice that this will happen and everyone's guessing until the last day....Right now,- we have half a dozen shipments from EU waiting somewhere at the Manila Bay... I hope they do not balk.

    What a support from our dear government!

    And they(particularly the executives) are fattening their paychecks,- plus payment of their unused VLs (equivalent to x years) + retirement in a few days??? Railroading approval in the Houses! Deym!

    BTT:

    Yes, in one of the news-video a few months ago, confirming that he lives somewhere in the BF Almanza area,- there was an assassination attempt on his wife and he was emotionally appealing to those responsible not to include his loved ones in their tussle....


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    I was thinking if they used Clark or Subic for leaders to land and conference would still be held in PICC, MOA. It would be more disruptive. Imagine to closed roads stretching from north to south, well almost south...but it would be whole stretch of Edsa and Nlex.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    I was thinking if they used Clark or Subic for leaders to land and conference would still be held in PICC, MOA. It would be more disruptive. Imagine to closed roads stretching from north to south, well almost south...but it would be whole stretch of Edsa and Nlex.




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    Aren't there any convention centers in that area? What about the Centennial Center(?) or something.... Shouldn't there be one there?

    Bro,- remember that we spent P10B for this, and we knew this x years beforehand.... I wonder where the money went.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    I was thinking if they used Clark or Subic for leaders to land and conference would still be held in PICC, MOA. It would be more disruptive. Imagine to closed roads stretching from north to south, well almost south...but it would be whole stretch of Edsa and Nlex.




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    They could have used the P10B budget to build a new convention center and new villas for the heads of states. Baka may sukli pa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CVT View Post


    OT:

    Agree. It is/was economic sabotage.... Again,- they should have held it somewhere else in the Philippines,- like Clark, - where they have the exclusive use of Macapagal Intl Airport, and Subic Bay Port... Away from where ~75% (guestimate) of the economy is being supported

    But then again,- they let their political hand get the better of their logic.... Pathetic line of thinking.

    The last port congestion,- did they lift a finger earlier on to solve it? No,- they waited until it became an economic disaster.... And still after that,- it took them months to get over the hump!

    Let's hold on to the seam of our pants,- as this is another rough ride, until everything normalizes... Worse,- everyone, including our forwarders, were given only a few days' notice that this will happen and everyone's guessing until the last day....Right now,- we have half a dozen shipments from EU waiting somewhere at the Manila Bay... I hope they do not balk.

    What a support from our dear government!

    And they(particularly the executives) are fattening their paychecks,- plus payment of their unused VLs (equivalent to x years) + retirement in a few days??? Railroading approval in the Houses! Deym!

    BTT:

    Yes, in one of the news-video a few months ago, confirming that he lives somewhere in the BF Almanza area,- there was an assassination attempt on his wife and he was emotionally appealing to those responsible not to include his loved ones in their tussle....


    "The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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    bro, with all due respect, it won't really be easy for the powers that be to strike a balance between convenience of our people and the possibility of our country moving forward economically thru apec. since the last apec or asean summit, i dare say we have already taken even off and made great strides as a nation, even if we suffered a major setback during gma's time when she singlehandedly pillaged our economy. this is only a temporary inconvenience. next week this is gone and past arguing about. i am sure, with only few months left in his administration, with all the problems that beset our country day in and day out, our president only has for the greater good in his mind. i cannot speak for the others, but i couldn't see it clearly then, but I am seeing it very clearly now, that his sincerity to serve the multitude of Filipinos, not merely the select few, is beyond question. i know most people here won't agree with me, especially bro macsd, but, to my mind, he will come down in history as one of the greatest presidents we ever had, and I am grateful to have served under his administration.

    BTT
    pañero, please go on with the fight. please don't make a change of heart. make them pay. we, who had been shortchanged by cebpac, are all behind you in this fight.

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    atty fortun to sue cebupac...?
    "fall in line, sir."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juan Martinez View Post
    bro, with all due respect, it won't really be easy for the powers that be to strike a balance between convenience of our people and the possibility of our country moving forward economically thru apec. since the last apec or asean summit, i dare say we have already taken even off and made great strides as a nation, even if we suffered a major setback during gma's time when she singlehandedly pillaged our economy. this is only a temporary inconvenience. next week this is gone and past arguing about. i am sure, with only few months left in his administration, with all the problems that beset our country day in and day out, our president only has for the greater good in his mind. i cannot speak for the others, but i couldn't see it clearly then, but I am seeing it very clearly now, that his sincerity to serve the multitude of Filipinos, not merely the select few, is beyond question. i know most people here won't agree with me, especially bro macsd, but, to my mind, he will come down in history as one of the greatest presidents we ever had, and I am grateful to have served under his administration.

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    pa�ero, please go on with the fight. please don't make a change of heart. make them pay. we, who had been shortchanged by cebpac, are all behind you in this fight.
    Bro.,- with you explaining,- I am almost convinced. You have my deepest respect.

    However, it is not the convenience of the people, dear bro.,- it is our economic wheel at a standstill (again).

    Our dear President may have the sincerest intention for the greater good of our country. But coming from my limited experience running a company's Operations, where everything has to be treated with urgency as we certainly do not want a major show stopper- intentions are not nearly enough.

    The Executive has to dive into select [let me emphasize,- select] (executive) crisis points within his jurisdiction and function and influencing the other two branches ,- and call for all hands on deck to resolve the issue immediately. He has failed miserably in the past, sadly.

    [On a related note: I know of someone, personally, who has directly served various Presidents in Malacanan. And the person was confiding to me, that of all the Presidents that the person has served in the past,- it was Erap who has the sincerest concern for the welfare of our people,- and, we all know that he did otherwise]. So in my limited experience and opinion, intentions matter,- but actions speak about everything.

    And please Mr. President[I do not like GMA for what she and her family did to our dear country], we mature people do not dwell in the past,- we only harvest lessons from them and use these as tools to better our future.

    [Bros,- if you notice GP's ad,- in the end she rolled up her sleeves,- that's a clear sign that they know that our people want a hands-on President.... It is not my intention to vote for her - showbiz and politics, IMO,- should not mix,- but in my book,- that portion of the ad is BRILLIANT!]


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    That line

    "Send your best, it ain't gonna matter"

    Bangis.




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    ^ "bangis" indeed.
    but there's an old aphorism among lawyers that, he who defends or lawyers himself has a fool for a client. ☺

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    yung kasabay namin sa legoland kanina 18 sila sa group. they are suppose to go home tonight and they only found out 2 days ago that their return flight was cancelled. they are rebooked for saturday and sunday. they need to pay 2-3 extra hotel days. naghihimutok, bwisit daw na apec hehehe!

    their tickets were booked 2 months ago but cebpac only informed them of the cancellation of the return leg when they checked in. ogags talaga.

    OT. pangit legoland malaysia. don't bother, waste of money. for P2500 per pax there are a lot better options elsewhere.
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