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    #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    ^ kung nalulugi talaga PAL, they should realize this is indeed coming.
    una, they don't believe that PAL is really losing money...

    pangalawa, backed up by other interests / lobbies ang PALEA... kaya malaking chance talaga na aabot sa ganyan... para mapansin... para maipakita na ipinaglalaban nila karapatan... para may maipukol na issue laban sa pamahalaan...

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    #292
    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    yung mga matatanggal may makukuha din di ba like retirement.. ?
    i heard ung mga nasa salary bracket na 20k pag nalipa sila sa agency magiging 10k na lang
    yan talaga masakit.. kahit ako.. ilagay ko sa posisyon na ganyan.. hirap talaga tanggapin.. yung dating sahod ko na ganoon ang halaga.. nalipat ako, mas mababa na makukuha ko, and still doing the same job... kahit pa sabihin na ipareho ang rate... malamang sa malamang, yung mga increases di na ganung kalalaki gaya nung nasa PALEA pa at malakas ang union...

    mahirapan sila mag form ng union uli sa bagong companies na papasukan.. at higit sa lahat.. kahit man maka form sila ng union.. malamang membership wise di nila masakop ang plantilla ng company to the point na kaya nila mag paralyze ng company...


    sa PAL maaaring halos di na uubra sa kanila yung mga disciplinary action.. kahit ano gawin nila.. andyan ang union para mag abogado sa kanila.. with the new company hiring them, yun ang mahirap... pag di nila na control mga bad habits nila sa PAL.. mas madali sila matanggal sa bagong company .... mga bossing nila baguhan din at enforced ang rules talaga at di sila ang senior...

    di lang talaga nila napag handaan to... call it refusal or plain flat denial of reality...

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    #293
    ^eh di lumipat/maghanap/mag-migrate sila. Or there's always GRO work sa club.:laughbounce:

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    #294
    siguradong mas mababa ang suweldo sa contractor for the same work

    but contracting out non-core business/work is a reality

    it is being done to stay competitive

    that was done in the shipping industry way way back

    even converting departments to separate business units was done

    while union has a right to employment

    management has a right to make a profit also

    you just need to balance this very well but in the end, it will always be management's decision that will prevail so long as it is within the parameters of labor laws


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    #295
    I stopped believing in unions when the concept of 'sit-down bonus' came about.

    I say throw the book at them.

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    #296
    ILLEGAL PALEA STRIKE mayhem at Terminal 2. Kasama pala si Sara Bonnin "Menopausal B*tch" Ocampo sa video...Siya ata yung maingay na babae.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s-tkR_r1Uw"]Police and security guards forcibly evict PALEA protesters - YouTube[/ame]

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    #297
    Save PAL, save jobs | Inquirer Business

    Save PAL, save jobs
    By: Conrado R. Banal III
    Philippine Daily Inquirer


    Nobody wanted to call it a “wildcat strike,” that work stoppage last Tuesday done by ground workers of the country’s flag carrier, PAL, which left thousands of passengers stranded at the airport.

    Our contacts in the labor sector did not term it as a “sit-down strike,” which—being illegal and all—is usually just a spontaneous protest action.

    Technically, what happened at the Naia last Tuesday was neither a wildcat strike, a measure without any authorization from the union officials, nor a spontaneous protest.

    Make no mistake, the action taken by PAL workers at the Naia was so well organized, it seemed to be premeditated.

    According to our sources at the MIAA [Manila International Airport Authority], as a result of the “strike,” a number of ground equipment of PAL was even destroyed. In other places, such an action would have been termed as “sabotage.”

    The equipment would still not work by the time MIAA had cleared the airport of the protesting PAL workers well into the night.

    MIAA chief Jose Angel Honrado, who served as military spokesman during the cute administration of Gloriaetta, perhaps deserves a pat on the back. He went to the airport to talk to the protesting group. Supposedly, he told them to vacate the area, or he would be forced to take action within the confines of the law. Our contacts at the Naia took his words to mean that the former general would remove the protesters out of the airport, physically.

    Under RA 9497, the law that created the CAAP, or the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, those who cause disruption at the airports are liable criminally—meaning, they can go to jail. Thanks to threats of terrorism, airports are sensitive areas all over the world. In this country, the airports serve about 10 million OFWs. I am afraid that the government will not do anything. Again.

    * * *

    Today, PAL has a work force of about 7,500 people. By world standards, it is just too big for an airline its size. And so PAL wants to trim down its work force by farming out its in-flight catering, call center and airport ground services. This would result in the removal of about 2,600 employees.

    PAL was willing to set aside money for their severance pay of about P2.5 billion, including a “gratuity pay” of P50,000 for each of the workers.

    As if to show us that we are actually a rich country, the Aquino (Part II) administration is also giving each of the workers P50,000, or a total of P130 million of our tax money. Just how many taxpayers the BIR will have to harass to raise that amount is hard to say.

    Perhaps Malacaņang wants to appease the PAL workers who are constantly getting favorable media coverage, and never mind that in other places, “gratuity pay” is known simply as “tip.”

    It is just that, if you recall all the troubles at the Naia in the past, affecting thousands of passengers, the cause of the problems—i.e. the protesting PAL employees and pilots—have always been getting their way.

    Last year, PAL cancelled several flights because some foreign airlines pirated PAL-trained pilots, who were under contract to remain with PAL for at least six years. Our leader Benigno Simeon (aka BS) did not lift a finger then, even in the name of public interest and to protect the rights of all the people using the airports.

    In fact, from what I gathered, BS even convinced PAL management to delay the restructuring, which the company wanted to do as early the middle of 2010, and in this country, nobody could really say “no” to the president.

    To our contacts in business, such stories were bad for the image of BS. They showed a certain weakness, sometimes called indecisiveness.

    * * *

    For more than 10 years now, PAL wanted to follow what the airline industry has been doing worldwide: outsource certain services to save on costs.

    PAL has been bleeding. Taipan Lucio Tan already injected $2 billion in cash into the airline. The investment is almost wiped out by now, after years of heavy losses.

    PAL is, perhaps, the only airline in the world that still has in-house call center with its own employees. American firm US Airways has a call center in Makati City, run by another company. Another American firm, Hawaiian Airline, has its call center in Baguio City.

    According to news reports, PAL expected to shave off as much as $15 million a year from its expenses with the farmed-out services.

    Such an amount may help PAL reduce its losses, but I am afraid it would not be enough to put the company back to profitability. My info is that, in the first quarter of this year alone, PAL already lost P500 million.

    PAL must do other things—refurbishing the fleet or doing more effective marketing campaigns. These also cost a lot of money. Thus, PAL needs fresh capital.

    The problem is, nobody wants to invest in a losing proposition such as PAL, due mainly to its huge labor cost. Potential investors are well aware of its internal problems that have been causing PAL’s bleeding.

    Look, the airline industry worldwide was able to recover this year, with the IATA [International Air Transport Association] expecting industry profits to hit about $7 billion, which means the industry could now expect to recover from the heavy losses.

    In the Asia-Pacific region, where PAL belongs, airline profits are expected to hit $2.5 billion this year. The profitable airlines, of course, exclude PAL.

    As I said, PAL has about 7,500 workers. The restructuring would retain at least 5,000 for now.

    If those striking PAL workers would have their way, and PAL management and the Aquino (Part II) administration would give in to their demands, those 5,000 workers are also in danger of losing their jobs.

    Without the restructuring, as the bleeding continues, PAL would eventually have to close down permanently. In other words, the restructuring that can save PAL will also help save those 5,000 jobs.

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    #298
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Save PAL, save jobs | Inquirer Business
    MIAA chief Jose Angel Honrado, who served as military spokesman during the cute administration of Gloriaetta, perhaps deserves a pat on the back. He went to the airport to talk to the protesting group.
    Cute administration of Gloriaeta?

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    #299
    Quote Originally Posted by 111prez View Post
    while union has a right to employment
    when did employment become a right?

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    #300
    bakit naman nanira pa ng ground equipments itong PALEA? hindi na ata tama ito.

Lack of Pilots forces PAL to cancel flights