Sinasabi ko na nga ba e (Big 3 Oil Companies)

[actor21]

Alam ko madaming sang ayon dito:..pero siempre meron din mangilan ngilan dito na di sang ayon..

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/06/22/09/...%99s-estimates

[Horsepower]

Nalagyan siguro si Angelo Reyes kasi bigla syang tumitigil sa pag-pressure sa mga oil companies...

He's also very mad at Recto for showing the public those NEDA calculations.

tsaka, he doesn't deserve to be in his position. Militar sya eh, wala syang alam sa mga ganito.

[actor21]

tama ka don sir, regarding naman kay recto..he is trying to save on whatever is left to his imahge for future political move..remember nagalit sa kanya ang taong bayan dahil sa 12% EVAT? kaya ayun di na nanalo bilang senador...

kaya pabango mode muna sya....ang iba kase na me kaya wala din talaga paki alam maski siguro umabot sa 100 per liter ang gas kase peoples money naman e (Reyes and others na nasa gobyerno at mataas ang katungkulan)..

pero papano naman tayong buhok nalang ang pinanghahawakan kaya nasa middle class pa tayo?

[mey0r]

Nangangailangan ng pondo ang gobyerno sa darating na halalan. Kaya pati palasyo pipi ulit ngayon sa usapin ng pagtaas ng presyo ng langis. Kung bakit noong nakalipas na mga buwan at taon, sobra ang batikos nila sa mga kumpanya ng langis, kabaligtaran ang ginagawa nila ngayon. Ano pa kaya ang susunod?

[CVT]

Puro galing military ang nakapuwesto, para mahigpit ang kapit ng palasyo....

Marami namang magagaling na mga civilians-technocrats,economists,engineers et al diyan para patakbuhin ang makinarya ng gobyerno....

It also recommended to the government’s executive branch to “push for tools to protect consumers and strengthen the regulatory oil industry framework.”

^^^ Harinawa!

8101:oops2:

[actor21]

siempre present na naman si ULS dito hehehehe...ito di na gawa gawang balita..pero siempre sariling interest muna hehehehe...

[uls]

a ok

blame the evil oil companies again

[jjmd3_787]

Wala naman talaga tayong magagawa e. Bulag talaga ang gov't sa mga Oil Companies na yan kasi napakalaking revenue sa taxes ng mga ito ang nakukuha nila. Anyway, kaya ganyan magtaas ng prices ang mga lintek na yan ay dahil sumusikat na ang mga hybrid cars. Although they have been around for many years, it's only recently that they are getting their share of the spotlight. Sa madaling sabi, malapit ng matapos ang maliligayang araw ng mga Oil Companies na yan.

BTW, Toyota already unveiled Prius here. And it costs Php2,200!!! In Japan, it costs $20,500. Why? Kasi half nung 2.2M ay gov't taxes. These sharks are imposing big taxes on it because they want to discourage people from switching to hybrids. Ganyan din ang ginagawa ng US gov't, mataas ang taxes nila sa hybrids kaya sila ang pinakamalakas na consumer ng langis. Again, why? Kasi nga malaki ang kita nila sa oil taxes!

Tumataas tuloy ang hgh blood ko at nanginginig ang nerbyos system ko.

[redorange]

Wala naman talaga tayong magagawa e. Bulag talaga ang gov't sa mga Oil Companies na yan kasi napakalaking revenue sa taxes ng mga ito ang nakukuha nila. Anyway, kaya ganyan magtaas ng prices ang mga lintek na yan ay dahil sumusikat na ang mga hybrid cars. Although they have been around for many years, it's only recently that they are getting their share of the spotlight. Sa madaling sabi, malapit ng matapos ang maliligayang araw ng mga Oil Companies na yan.

BTW, Toyota already unveiled Prius here. And it costs Php2,200!!! In Japan, it costs $20,500. Why? Kasi half nung 2.2M ay gov't taxes. These sharks are imposing big taxes on it because they want to discourage people from switching to hybrids. Ganyan din ang ginagawa ng US gov't, mataas ang taxes nila sa hybrids kaya sila ang pinakamalakas na consumer ng langis. Again, why? Kasi nga malaki ang kita nila sa oil taxes!

Tumataas tuloy ang hgh blood ko at nanginginig ang nerbyos system ko.

Where do you get your information? The hybrids cost more in the Philippines because of taxes imposed on all imported vehicles by the govt. As far as taxes being higher on hybrids in the US you better get you facts straight. The IRS gives tax credits to owners of hybrid vehicles. If it cost more in the US than the same model hybrid in Japan it's because of shipping and taxes on imported vehicles. As far as the US being the largest consumer of oil, did you even consider that the US is the largest market for cars in the world? There are more cars in the US than any country in the world and maybe that has something to do with it's large oil consumption. In addition to that the US is one of the largest producers and exporters of food in the world. How do you think those farms are run without the use of oil to operate the equipment. Before blaming the US for using so much oil know that a lot of that oil is used so that the US can produce and export food such as corn, soy, wheat, and rice among other things that the rest of the world eats. There is a bigger picture to the use of oil in the US and cars are just one aspect of that use.

Hybrids are not the be all and end all for more efficient cars. Most of the hybrids will require new batteries in 8-10 years and that is an expensive replacement. Even if they sold the Prius cheaper in the Philippines how many of the owners could afford the replacement batteries? If they can't afford them what do you think will happen to the used cars without the batteries?
How will the owners be disposing of these toxic batteries? There are trade offs when you buy a hybrid car that most people do not consider.

As some have already said the gas prices are related to a bigger picture that not just happens in the Philippines. Where I live now the gas prices have already gone up .70 cents per gallon or .18 per liter which is Php8.68 just in the past 4 weeks and we don't get advance notice like in the Philippines.

Here's is the IRS website for you to see that there are tax credits for hybrid vehicles.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/...157632,00.html

[loidch]

i think we cant live w/o the automobile, thats why we have to pay the price, be it high or low.

lets say iam an owner of a small station beside one of the big 3's. and i can still make around 3 pesos per liter even if my price is 50 centavos cheaper than my neighbor. people would still load up on my station bec. mura pa rin sakin.......pero di nila alam na smuggled pala yung benta ko...kaya di nila alam na tumitiba ako. and besides why would i bring the price down further and make my competitors suspiciuos.

i belive there is a collusion between big and small players....who smuggles more makes more profits. maybe ang motto nila is "walang garapalan na baksak presyo ha"

[actor21]

*boybi madali sana kung ganyan ang nangyayari...ang problema kase dito sa big 3 nagkukutsabahan sila...maski nabili nila ng mababa ibebenta padin ng mahal ang RASON? kase lugi pa sila...common kung lugi sila then out of business na dapat sila..

di natin pwede i hambing ang mga sari sari store prices sa gas prices kase the fact is me usap usapan yan sila kung kelan ibababa at itatataas ang presyo,..

diko lang ma alala yung batas na ipinasa na walang magagawa ang gobyerno sa mga pricing ng big 3...sorry di pa ako ganun katanda para maalala yun

[shadow]

^deregulation law

[A121]

Another 'the oil companies are evil' thread? :lol:

Good thing my car is now averaging 11km/li.

[tidus1203]

Another 'the oil companies are evil' thread? :lol:

Good thing my car is now averaging 11km/li.

Maybe we should make a "What can I do more productive so I can pay for it" thread

[CVT]

It is quite obvious that the "oil deregulation law" for all its perceived paper merits is not benefitting the public.....

8101:oops2:

[A121]

ganun talaga eh. it's either you buy gasoline at a high price or risk walking 20km to work. buti kung makakakuha ng locally sourced and locally refined oil.

[niky]

It is quite obvious that the "oil deregulation law" for all its perceived paper merits is not benefitting the public.....

8101:oops2:

And as I say every time this discussion comes up, I guess a lot of you weren't buying your own gas when the Oil Price Stabilization Fund was still in place. Gas Prices still sucked... and when oil prices went down, gasoline stayed artificially high so the government could regenerate its OPSF. Transport groups still staged strikes. Absolutely nothing has changed since then. There's only one other country in the region that regulates oil prices... and their Nationalized Oil Company lost money last year, taxpayer's money, since it's government owned... forcing the government to change the law.

tidus:


people are just beginning to open their eyes

last year when oil price went vertical into space, few people were pointing to the speculators

most people were blaming the "evil" oil companies

it had to take a once-in-a-century financial crisis for people to see how large financial institutions screw the world

now people are more aware

pero dito sa atin, many people are still clueless

there are still blaming the oil companies and the govt

Yup. The rising oil prices are a sure sign the economy is recovering... at least... ...too bad for us.

These companies should be highly monitored and controlled to protect the interests of the consumers. If they can't live with that, they can get out of the country. There are many who will replace them even from the locals.

Ah... but there are many small up-and-coming companies trying to do that. Even with lower prices, they're not competitive... because Pinoys will buy brand name no matter what.

Market prices are determined by what buyers are willing to pay for and sellers are willing to sell at now, not yesterday, not tomorrow.

This should have been the last post in this thread, and is worth repeating.

For everyone who beaches ( ) and moans about high gasoline prices... how many of you fill up at a station other than the Big 3?

There's no lack of small stations in the metro. Hell... I sometimes fill up my Crosswind at stations whose name I can't remember (and sometimes "takal-takal" from a sari-sari store), and which were SeaOil the month before... Caltex before that... and...

Running a gasoline station is a tough business... competition is fierce... a lot of small stations, despite selling for 50 centavos to a peso less than the "Big 3" go under. Heck, even some "Big 3" gas stations go under if their market area is too poor.

If the profits are so frickin' huge, why do so many franchises go bankrupt? Because consumers really, really don't care about high prices. They won't drink anything but Coke. Won't eat anything but ChickenJoy, and won't use anything but "Xtra", "Blaze" or "V-Power".

If you want to change prices, change your buying habits. Buy from the small players. I only fill at Total because they give me the best prices for LPG and 95 Octane (with their nifty sticker discount promo). Granted, Total isn't a small company... but I also buy from SeaOil when I can find it... their prices are decent.

If you don't like paying for excessive markups... why buy food from Jollibee instead of the local carinderia? Why buy softdrinks from 7-11? Why go the grocery stores? You do it because it's convenient... not because you absolutely, positively need to. You don't need gasoline from Shell and Petron... you can buy from Total, SeaOil, whatever... convert to LPG and buy from any of the dozens of small LPG distributors or hundreds of LPG stations...

Even better... save gas! Commute... bicycle... walk when you can. I do... even in the metro. Even with our sidewalks covered with piss, vomit, vendor stalls, telephone poles, loose power lines and half-naked crazy people. If it won't take more than fifteen minutes to walk there, I walk.

So...? Why don't we all put our money where our mouth is? Let's all stop driving!

[wowiesy]

i think we cant live w/o the automobile, thats why we have to pay the price, be it high or low.

lets say iam an owner of a small station beside one of the big 3's. and i can still make around 3 pesos per liter even if my price is 50 centavos cheaper than my neighbor. people would still load up on my station bec. mura pa rin sakin.......pero di nila alam na smuggled pala yung benta ko...kaya di nila alam na tumitiba ako. and besides why would i bring the price down further and make my competitors suspiciuos.

i belive there is a collusion between big and small players....who smuggles more makes more profits. maybe ang motto nila is "walang garapalan na baksak presyo ha"

nabanggit na earlier.. they are in business for profit.. kung may garapal na magbagsak ng presyo, it would just hurt their industry.. so dikit dikit na lang sila... there can be 2 ways of viewing this picture:

1. law of supply and demand at work
2. cartel at work

but the lines between the two are so thin...





idagdag ko pa.. on the topic of the speculators being the ones to drive up the oil prices in the global market..

napansin ko na rin yan last year... I mean. the cost of pumping out oil from the fields haven't changed much.. the logistics of shipping the oil out also has been there... the demand.. well.. seasonal for some markets.. but as a whole is steady and even factoring in growth in demand, hindi ito double digit growth... so why the almost 3 digit % growth in prices last year? simple answer: the MIDDLE MAN... i would SPECULATE <I would like to stress that I'm speculating na on this point... but.. I think much of this is true>... that a lot of the companies that were involved in the commodities speculation were fully, majority or heavily owned by US or EUROPEAN companies... and these companies also pay a lot of taxes to their own respective governments.... hindi ganoon kabilis baguhin ng government yung operating environment for those companies...

lumalabas.. ang nangyari last year.. kung dati-rati... only the oil companies have an interest in buying oil contracts on an already limited supply (limited by the OPEC), nung pumasok ang mga financial institutions (ginawang investment instruments) ay lalong dumami ang "demand" since mas dumami ang bumibili ng contracts... tuloy lalong tumaas ang presyo ng mga contract... natigil lang nung bumagsak yung financial institutions dahil sa US domestic financial problems dahil tinamaan din <malamang> yung mga same financial institutions na nag speculate on the oil market...

in the case of the US, dun sa mga domestic financial institutions that the government had to bail out, they had to because it is their own citizens within their country that had to be "saved"... pero in the case of the oil commodities wherein they get a lion's share (global ang pakinabang ng speculation nila).. i guess the objective on cracking down on these companies isn't such a top priority...

[oliver1013]

Isa lang masasabi ko Ta#$#a P29 petot na isang litrong diesel dati P23 lang