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    Taken from our friends at 4x4ph.com

    Is the Bull Bar just a lot of Bull?
    by Tessa R. Salazar

    Indigenous creatures roam the Outback of Australia, so it's not surprising to find indigenous "machines" roaming among these animals, as well. Take the Aussies' pickups and 4WD sport utility vehicles, for example.

    Owners put in what is called a grille guard, or a bull bar, to protect the vehicle's front end in the event of an unfortunate collision with road-crossing animals such as kangaroos and cattle. The bull bars are supposed to protect the front accessories, such as headlights.

    The bull bar is also called the "kangaroo bar" or "roo bar" in Australia. However, it also has other names, depending on the type of frontal protection it is designed for. The "bumper replacement Vehicle Frontal Protection Systems" (VFPS) is also designed to protect against animal collisions, and replaces the front bumper. An "over bumper VFPS" protect against low-speed city collisions, and the front bumper is retained.

    A "nudge bar" is designed to protect against low-speed car park collisions and is also used as support for additional driving lights through a light U-shaped tubular bar fitted in front of the bumper as defined at ecars.com.au.

    Totally unnecessary
    The Australian bull bars, however, are on a collision course with nature conservationists, who protest that bull bars are totally unnecessary, and even impinge on the animals' rights as the "real residents" of Australia. Motorists plying the outback have been asked to shift their focus to being more concerned with preservation of "life," rather than the preservation of their vehicles' headlights.

    That's one way of saying outback drivers should navigate more carefully, and respect animals crossing the road.

    Collision effect
    Bull bars have inevitably found their way into cities and suburbs. Though there is no accurate data on the number of human pedestrians bull bars have killed or maimed, experimental studies suggest that the collision effect on pedestrians and cyclists of adding bull bars is similar to doubling the actual speed of the vehicle. Thus, urban motorists who couldn't do away with their metal bull bars have been urged to replace them with soft plastic bull bars.

    The Pedestrian Council of Australia revealed last year that bull bars are attributable to up to 20 percent of road deaths involving pedestrians and drivers. It further added that research by the Federal Office of Road Safety found bull bars defeated vehicles' safety crumpling zones and caused damage to other cars and injury to their occupants.

    Favorable impact
    Proponents against bull bars in Australia have even put up road safety advertisements urging people to tear off a pictured baby's head "to see what a bull bar can do." The PCA said the ad has had considerable favorable impact on the community.

    Because of the rugged character it bestows upon vehicles, bull bars have also become a popular, albeit unnecessary and even dangerous, accessory in the Philippine motoring industry. Many see the dangers posed by bull bars on pedestrians and fellow motorists magnified in Philippine driving conditions, what with the lack of driving discipline and inadequate road safety facilities.

    Greatest chance of collision
    "Motorists have the greatest chance of colliding with children, because the latter are unpredictable," says automotive technologist Alex P. Loinaz. He adds one temporary solution could be imposing speed limits in areas where children are most likely to cross.

    But then, Filipino motorists rarely, if ever, observe speed limits.

    Affordability
    Bull bars' accessibiltiy is helped by its relative affordability. A set of bull bars could cost anywhere between P4,000 and P30,000, depending on the materials used and the coverage area of the bull bar.

    A leading auto insurance company said the add-on premium that a vehicle owner would have to pay the insurance company for a bull bar is anywhere between P600 and P1,500.

    Lito Lazaga of Standart Auto Insurance estimates that about 40 percent of its newly insured SUV owners proceed to accessory shops and fit in bull bars, regardless if such accessories' safety has been tested and approved by the vehicle's designers.

    Then, in the provinces, another 25 percent of insured pickups have bull bars attached, Lazaga says. He adds that 85 percent of his clients with bull bars who encountered frontal collisions had destroyed headlights and front faces, more than doubling the economic loss compared to the absence of bull bars.

    But then, owners don't have to worry about such losses. It is the auto insurance that shoulders the damages.

    Says Loinaz, "If there were no bull bar, the point of impact is lower, exactly at the point of where the bumper is. Thus, only the vehicle's lower extremities would be affected."

    Loinaz produced photos wherein an SUV, equipped with a bull bar, rear-ended another car. The entire rear of the car was wrecked. The force of the impact also wrecked the SUV's hood that would have otherwise been spared from damage had the bull bar not been there.

    "If this same vehicle hits a person, where exactly would the bull bar hit? At the ribs, but if the bull bar hits a child, it hits directly the head of the child," he states.

    Loinaz addes that if a child is hit by the bumper alone, the child would merely fall down, and since the bumper is flatshaped, the injury may not be neccesarily as worse as when the child hits the protruding steel of a bull bar.

    Philippine regulation
    The Inquirer acquired a copy of a Philippine regulation (administrative order 91-005 of the new motor vehicle inspection system) that requires the body of a motor vehicle should be free from any sharp edges or rotating protrusions that may endanger people and other vehicles in the highway.

    In an interview with the Inquirer, new LTO chief Anneli Lontoc says she is looking into the bull bar issue. LTO's traffic safety education chief Daisy Jacobo stresses that the right to accessorize one's property should be tempered with safety considerations for others.

    "When you attach equipment meant to harm others, then it goes against good human relations," she says.

    Auto manufacturers, she adds, should also be vocal about it. Most auto manufacturers already "complete the look" nowadays by using bumper overriders instead of bull bars.

    Two automakers say that if the bull bar does not come from them, they could not warrant it against any damages or injuries it might cause.

    Safety considerations
    Loinaz stresses that in cases a bull bar is deemed necessary, it is important that the bull bar comes from the original design of manufacturers, since its makers have factored in basic considerations of safety.

    "You will notice the bull bars sold by automakers are low bull bars with the basic understanding of safety," observes Loinaz.

    He says there is a purpose to the bumper design. The initial consideration is to minimize economic losses in case of collision, but at the same time there is the less chance of bodily injury.

    "Today, there are uniform bumper designs for the cars so that when they collide with each other, the damage could be superficial," he adds.

    To lessen potential damages to other motorists, trucks' bull bars are low-slung and flat, says Loinaz.

    He says that in the end, however, the question of whether a bull bar is necessary or not depends on how its owner drives and respects others.

    Says Loinaz, "In Canada, the first thing that will be said by the park ranger to a visiting motorist is,'you are the visitor, and the animals are the residents here.' This could only mean the visitor must actually give way to the animals."

    Not meant to harm
    Rommel Ruedas, general contractor from Steel Works in Las Pinas (maker of conveyors for airport terminals) and part time bull bar maker, says bull bars are not meant to harm pedestrians but to protect the headlight and hood in cases of collision with walls or posts. He makes regular bull bars for L300 vans for P4,000.

    Leo Suzara, also a general contractor from Steel Works, says bull bars actually provide 2 to 3 percent more protection to the vehicle. "With or without bull bars, if the driver is not careful, he could still kill pedestrians," he adds.

    Virgen Aguila of US Aguila Enterprises says he has had clients involved in collisions with posts or walls and went back to thank him for the bull bar he had installed.

    "Several of my clients believe the bull bars lessened their expenses," he says. "Some even went to the extent of saying it had saved their lives."

    According to him, he sells an average of five stainless bull bars a month. Front bull bars go for P7,500, back bull bar for P5,000 and side bull bar for P6,500.
    Comments? Suggestions? Violent reactions?

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    Speed limit???
    bihira ang speed limit dito sa mga kalsada sa 'pinas..
    ang nakikita kong may speed limit ay yung SLEX na 80 kapag hanggang Sucat, 100 kapag after Alabang Viaduct (southbound)
    and yung stretch sa may Villamor Airbase hanggang sa tapat nung NAIA 3.

    Bullbar??
    depende at sa materyal at klase..
    kung katulad nung sa "Beast"s..
    TJM/ARB..though were made to protect the vehicle from getting damaged..
    matibay talaga yun..
    kung katulad nung bullbar nung sa akin..
    hmmm...
    it can lessen or add more damage..depende sa impact..
    i decided to retain the bumper on my truck para pang harang sa mga tricycle na bigla na lang sumisingit..
    at kung magkapera na ako..bibili ako ng TJM.

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    Philippine regulation
    The Inquirer acquired a copy of a Philippine regulation (administrative order 91-005 of the new motor vehicle inspection system) that requires the body of a motor vehicle should be free from any sharp edges or rotating protrusions that may endanger people and other vehicles in the highway.
    so bawal pala ang tricycle at jeep... tsk tsk.. compare mo naman ang number nila sa mga suvs na naka bullbar.

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    ang problema kasi, hindi naman responsable yung drivers ng ibang SUVs, at yung mga pedestrians dito sa atin. what's the use of blaming a bullbar if the root cause is reckless driving or reckless pedestrians?

    the bumper design used in passenger jeepneys are effectively similar (somewhat) to ARB or TJM bullbars... yet no one seems to be complaining about them, and for that matter, no one seems to be interested in reforming our infamous reckless jeepney drivers which is deeper at the root of the problem. and for that matter again, no one seems to be interested in doing something about the incredible jaywalking we have here.

    i'm not saying that bullbars are good because jeepneys have them, but rather, if bullbars are bad, then jeepneys better lose them. what's the use of advocating public safety if the scope of the campaign is selective? it reeks of chutzpah and mindless anti-SUV fanaticism.

    as it is, my position is that bullbars, whether attached to an SUV or to a jeepney) are no more deadly than driving an Expedition than a Civic. what is usually deadlier is the nut behind the wheel.

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    ang crumple zone ng mga jeepney......... yung babangain na car
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    aba, may magandang discussion pala sa 4x4ph about this hehe...

    anyway, i completely agree with drexx (over at 4x4ph) on this one.

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    agree ako.. dapat ire-design ang front bumber ng mga jeepney.. dapat meron sa government na mag regulate ng design ng jeeps and owners kung gusto nila maging tama at fair ang law natin..

    on our previous 1977 car, we have been hit by a jeepney from the rear at total wreck yung cargo area.. samantalang walang gasgas ang jeepney... tsk tsk tsk...

    jeepney nga simbolo ng pinas.. pero nasaan ang nagre-regulate ng design at safety... mahulog lang sa mababaw na bangin ang jeepney eh tanggal na agad bubong kaya patay agad mga passengers...

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    please allow me to be the devil's advocate here...i actually agree with most of the article.

    mainly on the fact that a bar-equipped suv causes more damage in the exact same collision as one that is not. sure, reckless drivers are a bigger problem but this is like being shot with a 50-caliber desert eagle instead of a 9mm glock - obviously, the real problem is getting shot, but one is more survivable than the other. plus, it protrudes outward so near-misses turn into hits.

    this has happened to me...a suburban tapped me at less than 2 mph in a parking lot and what would have been a mild scrape on the bumper ended up being about $2000 in damage.

    it is also totally unnecessary for most vehicles except for the 'look' it gives you, with the exception of course of you guys who actually go offroad regularly.

    any comments welcome...
    Last edited by empy; December 8th, 2003 at 10:52 PM.

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    definitely a valid point, but i think a total ban of bull bars would be grossly unfair to those who have genuine use for them. granted that the bar increases the damage to the other party (while reducing the damage to the bar-equipped vehicle; i specifically have Aussie bars in mind, not the more crudely-engineered examples), it nonetheless remains the responsiblity of the driver to be cautious around other vehicles and in pedestrian zones.

    i would think that banning bars on the basis of causing unnecessary collision damage would be similar to pushing for a ban on heavy vehicles (like large vans or SUVs), which also cause greater collision damage by themselves. in fact, the arguments would be similar; these large SUVs are often just for looks, as bars are, and they're deadlier, and guzzle gas to boot... but then, it's usually the drivers of these SUVs that cause the problems rather than the vehicle itself, and what about those who genuinely need a large vehicle?

    i do agree that bars are better installed only on vehicles that truly need them though, otherwise, it would be the thoroughly irresponsible and would be the off-roader equivalent of rice...

    (just thinking aloud)

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    The author also fails to differentiate between a true bullbar, and other similar (but entirely different devices) like brush bars (ok, so I have one on my truck now), nudge bars and lamp stays.

    I would still rather have an Aussie bullbar. Drexx explained it well in the 4x4ph link (the one on the first post). The difference between being able to drive home and being towed home can mean a lot especially when we are in far flung places with no semblance of civilization and where cellphones don't even work. This advantage is also true especially if your vehicle crashes onto something late at night or in a bad neighborhood.

    And with the ever increasing threat of kidnappings and stoplight robberies, the need to move away from danger is of paramount importance. Be it by pushing a vehicle blocking your way, running over your attacker or even clearing a curb to make a getaway.

    Again let me remind you that the one who wrote that article also described the Nissan Patrol as having 'cat-like' reflexes. Sheesh.

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    hmm... i also use some sort of a bullbar but it's more of a bumper garnish than anything else... occupies the front central part of the bumper and the front grille... made of fiberglass and color-keyed to the bumpers and fender overhangs... so, in an event of a collision, it will shatter just like the bumper...

    i think these types of "bullbars" (if you can call them that) should be allowed since they are more for decorative purposes than anything else... they fall into the category of roof rails, spare tire covers, hood deflectors, window visors, etc...

    as for the true bullbars, they are really out of place in the urban environment... they were really meant for off-road use... that means a responsible owner should take them down if he intends to use his rig for day to day commuting and re-install it if he decides to go off-roading in the weekends...

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    Sir turk,

    Hindi ata practical na alis-kabit ang bullbar. hehehehe. Lalo na kung may winch sa loob.

    And Aussie bullbars are also designed to absorb impacts via their crushable mounts. Yun nga lang they absorb impacts while at the same time saving the radiator and other vital components so that your journey may continue. Bullbars are supposed to pass ADR (Austrailian Design Standards) esp. in the aspects of impact absorption and airbag deployment (putting anything not approved ahead of your front bumper can seriously compromise airbag deployment).

    Siguro legislation lang ang kailangan. I have an OEM Mitsubishi brushguard (used sa Chine and Mid East version) on my truck right now. It may look like the local ones but the OEM guard is mounted on the vehicle frame itself and has impact absorbing brackets.

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    I can't help to imagine myself pulling out the 60kgs bumper and roam the streets without anything to replace it. It will be more deadlier with sharper edges coming from the chassis and other vehicle parts.

    Now, I know people will ask me where is my OE bumper is... I sold it.

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    mga sirs, makapagtanong na po..saan or may kakilala ba kayo na pede kong i trade bullbar ko for headlights na crystal tulad sa mga bagong pajero? kase i plan to replace yung nasa SWB pajero ko and remove the bumper...

    i would appreciate if you could refer me or give me contacts...thanks

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    parang meron na tayong local SUV hater ah, yun nag susulat bakit puro ganyan ang pinagsusulat nya?

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    Originally posted by mbt
    i do agree that bars are better installed only on vehicles that truly need them though, otherwise, it would be the thoroughly irresponsible and would be the off-roader equivalent of rice...
    how would you define vehicles that ruly need them? am assuming that you are referring to the offroaders who will truly need them and not the poseurs roaming our streets.

    but how will you distinguish the real offroader and the poseur? although this is a very subjective question, I think that this can be addressed by either the following:

    - imposing additional tax for all vehicles using bullbars (not restricted to SUVs - jeepneys, cargo trucks and the like should also be covered)
    - requiring additional TPL coverage

    since bullbars are a "want" rather than a "need", this is logical. the additional TPL (is this right?) coverage should the said vehicle hit a pedestrian. getting hit by a bullbar is more damaging than just with the plain OEM bumper.

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    Even off-roaders have to go to the mall sometime. :D

    And why blame the off-roaders? This is a double-edged sword. We can also blame those sporty cars. Some of them have been lowered so much that in a collision even a stock rig will not meet its bumper and will instead hit the trunklid or run up the hood.

    Putting those little sporty mirrors then sideswiping someone just because you couldn't see them.

    Getting rear ended because you have to brake for a can of soda that was lying on the road.

    Getting in a head-on collision because the vehicle in the opposing lane thought you were a tricycle (because you replaced your headlamp with an air intake).

    And the debate rages on. hehehehe.

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    btw, dapat kung magsusulat man sila relate nila dito sa situation sa pinas, kelangan ang bullbars dito sa manila lalu na dami mga sira ulo and careless na pedestrians and PUV/PUB kahit anu na..pati private owners, govt officials. sus!! na kung sumingit biglabigla kaya kelangan din natin ng protection.

    and yun regulation, dapat iimplement dahan dahan, gawin nila mga jeep sa manila tulad ng sa cebu, CANTER head tas maganda pa tingnan kasi ganda ng pintura, and ang body ndi pointed and dilapidated. flat nose!!

    la pa ako bullbar, after 3 years na hehe pagkatapos ng warranty

    yun simbolo ng pinas? eh pag nakita ng tourist malamang nadidismaya kasi sa pangit ng mga condition ng mga ito

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    hehe sir otep naalala ko yang mga cars na one eyed. dami yan dito banda sa school... siguro ala mga riced up cars na tumatakbo ng NLEX.

    yeap dapat nga stick to what she knows or anu man hobby nya, dami naman siguro dyan na magaling mag review or magsulat about cars tulad ninyo o hehe nacicriticize lang tuloy sya eh.

    misleading pa sa ibang tulad namin na karaniwang tao lamang at wala masyadong alam sa mga sasakyan

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    eh loko pala nagsulat na yan about bullbars eh...kung gusto niya ipaalis mga bullbars...eh unahin na muna niya lahat ng jeep made of stainless steel sa almost all parts ng body niya...

    kung minsan walang magawa mga pinoy kundi maghanap ng masasabing pangit or mali para lang may masabi... ako mismo magbaba ng bullbar ko kung lahat ng jeep bumpers mai-convert niya lahat ng jeep bumbers to plastic tulad ng sa mga cars...

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