Nissan Patrol: gas to diesel engine replacement

[rhb]

Hi Patrol gurus,

Is it possible to replace the gas engine in a 2001 Patrol 4.5 with a diesel engine? I've read reviews from Australian web sites that list a 2001 diesel engined Patrol so I was wondering if there's a company here sa pinas that can replace the gas engine with a diesel engine (maybe Nissan Phils. themselves?).

Also what would be a good 2nd-hand price for the 2001 Patrol 4.5 gas?

Thanks in advance for any info on this!

[GlennSter]

sir, for the hassle and the price and the headaches, you are better off selling your current ride and buy a diesel variant.

imho.

[rhb]

Thanks sa input sir, pero as much as possible ayaw bitawan ng family ang current 4.5, kaya I'm just exploring the possibility of transplanting a diesel engine into it.

You mentioned na hassle and headache to do this engine replacement, can I ask why? Can this not be done by the casa itself? Or is this done by 3rd party shops and thus the possible headaches kung pangit ang gawa?

[GlennSter]

actually, it's not nissan phil ang nagdadala ng patrol dito.it's UMC as far as i know.for me nga, mas malaki pa ang chance na panget ang gawa pag sa casa...hehehehe.no offense sa mga casa.you are better off with 3rd party shops that specialize in such engines/engine swaps.

hassle kasi you have to look for engine na surplus na maayos. that in itself is a BIG gamble.and for sure, madaming papalitan dun. like for example, pag nagengine swap ang mga friends ko, overhaul pa nila yan and check the internals for worn out parts sabay palit narin.

im not sure if the diesel's mounting is plug and play na with the current mountings..if not, papa gawa ka pa.

the transmission din, not sure if it is the same so better check it narin.

and shempre, the most important is the competent shop who will do the transplant.

keep us posted!

[rhb]

Dami pala gagawin to get the engine replaced, akala ko there'ld be a shop that specializes in this and they can order a new engine and transplant it pag dumating. I read kasi that the casa does 4x2 to 4x4 conversions so I thought they might be able to engine replacements as well.

Would you know the shops that specialize in these engine transplants? Thanks.

[GlennSter]

hmmm...as of now wala.but JAPPY, the makers of local HAMMERS use patrol engines power their units.

at isa pa, kung brand new engine isasalpak mo, sigurado ako na ang mahal niyan.

im not discouraging you..if you really love the unit you have, why not?

but for me, ill stick nalang with the gas engine kung ang mahal din naman pala at ang sakit sa ulo ng pag engine swap to diesel.in the long run, mas makakatipid ka pa sa gas.

[rhb]

hmm, kasi using the 4.5 to bring the kids to/form school uses like 1k a day in gas bills kaya naisip lang na if replacing with a diesel engine will cost mga 200-300k di cheaper than getting a new diesel vehicle... or mali ba yung estimated cost to get an engine replacement? Thanks for all the info man.

[kimpOy]

brand new engine transplant = hyundai getz...baka may sukli ka pa

[GlennSter]

hmm...about the costs, let's wait for the other gurus to reply..im not too sure about it.

pero sir, 1k a day!?!

thats like...28 liters of gas *35php per liter...

thats like 171 kms if your gas consumption is 6kms per liter...grabe ang layo naman pala niyang schools ng anak mo..heheheh

[rhb]

pang hatid/sundo and any other trips for the kids in between kasi naka assign yung vehicle na yan, kaya ayun going back and forth in traffic adds up to the 1k per day...

if the engine transplant is not doable naman, then off to the selling block yung patrol to get replaced by some diesel vehicle nalang... yun lang nga as much as possible ayaw sana ibenta kasi love ng family yung vehicle, kaya I'm trying to see kung pwede yung engine replacement

[111prez]

... yun lang nga as much as possible ayaw sana ibenta kasi love ng family yung vehicle, kaya I'm trying to see kung pwede yung engine replacement

bro -- i know the feeling. ang sarap ng patrol, hehehehe. i just got a second hand 2001 diesel GU and its great

i used to have a gas model 1995 patrol safari and was also mulling changing the engine to diesel. according to my nissan mechanic, plug ang play daw yung TD/TB engines na yun. it might be the same with the ZD engines. did you have it checked and assessed by the nissan casa? have the casa or your trusted mechanic (who knows about it) to check it out. baka nga plug and play yan.

also, jappy of hummer philippines was the one recommended to me although i really did not get to push through with the engine replacement project. i just ended up selling the patrol safari

[GlennSter]

why not get another patrol nalang na diesel din?at least patrol parin....

kahit hindi na ibang tsikot...

[vinj]

The diesel engines consume around 6km/L at the average. Try to compute first the price difference on the engine swap and break-even on savings if you switch to diesel.

In switching from gas to diesel, you'll also have to change the tranny, speedo/tach gauge cluster, and fuel pump so it's best to find a complete kit as possible. You'll also have to consider the conditione of the engine if it will need an overhaul, compression check, and the fuel pump/system will need a calibration or other repairs.

From the top of my mind, you can try contacting Jappy (through Alana Motors) as they use the surplus Japan Patrol chassis and engines for their AMC Hammers (as GlennSter mentioned)... maybe they can help you out.

Overall, i'd also stick with the possibility of sourcing a diesel unit Patrol or maybe another diesel powered vehicle (or a small 1300-1600 sedan) if fuel consumption is your concern and it's gonna be used for going about the daily chores. The Patrol diesel will still drink a lot of fuel given the size of the engine and heft of the body.

[rhb]

*GlennSter:

out of budget kasi to get a brand new patrol, kaya if we go the sell-the-current-vehicle route, malamang ibang brand diesel ang kukunin... pag 2nd hand patrol diesel naman, gusto at least 2001 up na model which we'ld gladly do... anyone want to buy a 2001 Patrol 4.5 gas

*111Prez:

How much na-score mo for the 2001 diesel? Would you also have an idea how much would be a good selling price for the 2001 gas 4.5? Maybe you'ld like a gas Patrol as well para may pair of Patrols ka na both 2001

[111prez]

*111Prez:

How much na-score mo for the 2001 diesel? Would you also have an idea how much would be a good selling price for the 2001 gas 4.5? Maybe you'ld like a gas Patrol as well para may pair of Patrols ka na both 2001

bro -- i got my troll for 1.1M with about 37K reading sa odometer. i had the mileage checked with the casa's records and on the level naman, i.e. walang adjustments/manipulations

as for the selling price of the gas, i have no idea but like what vinj posted, siguradong mas mura ito kaysa diesel.

[GlennSter]

ah ganun din pala ang c\konsumo ng diesel???

same as gas lang din...youll just save more or less than 100 pesos....

sir rhb: if i am in your situation, ill sell the gas, then buy a 2nd hand diesel variant =) not a brand new!herhehrehr

[vinj]

ah ganun din pala ang c\konsumo ng diesel???

same as gas lang din...youll just save more or less than 100 pesos....

sir rhb: if i am in your situation, ill sell the gas, then buy a 2nd hand diesel variant =) not a brand new!herhehrehr

Yup... meron sa Nissan Q. Ave nga na 2nd hand na 2001 gas a/t... 900K+ na yung bentahan. A second hand diesel will go for 1.2-1.3 at the average.

[niky]

Good for you. Engine swaps are a headache... fuel pumps, mountings, etc... as compared to the 4x2 to 4x4 conversion (AFAIK, dagdagan lang yun ng diff).

Not to mention the fact that the ECUs may not be plug and play. The moment you have to splice harnesses, you can say goodbye to your car for a few weeks more. (Antagail i-trace)

[rhb]

Hmmm, ok, many thanks for the inputs sirs, engine transplant's out kung ganoon, benta nalang and replace. Thanks again!

[alwayz_yummy]

pa-extra lang.....

sir, sa akin lang..kung gagastos ka ng 200k-500k para sa engine swap na yan, i would suggest nalang na benta mo na ung patrol mo and get a used exact same patrol model na diesel... or a secondhand landcruiser 80 or 100 series na diesel(pero baka way-over ang idadagdag mo kapag LC,e)...or a brand-new fortuner(kung makakatiis ka sa waiting list..pero i know a partially used fortuner na binebenta,parang pinagsawaan lang ng mayari, at nagpalit ng ibang model)..