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    Of course circumstances have affected us economically. But one has mentioned in another thread that he cant understand why Vietnam is doing so well compared to us. There must be some underlying reason. Vietnam came from a war-ravaged past while we were the darling in the 50s and 60s.

    What would you say is the way to lead us to the road of true progress.

    All opinions are welcome. In fact, it may be in your opinion that we may find an answer.

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    IMO, kakulangan sa kagamitan, lack of confidence. Sorry kala ko ung DOHA 2006. hahaa
    Last edited by mfo; December 6th, 2006 at 05:23 PM.

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    uhmm... Anong connection ng basketball????

    midinite: honestly, IMO is too much democracy and the people not knowing how to use it properly.

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    Judicial process must be strictly followed and not should be bought.
    That way a progressive path can be seen.

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    My 2 cents:

    Motherhood Statement: Too much politics is affecting business and, consequently, the economy.

    Examples:

    1. Economic or business policies depend largely on who's sitting in Malacanang. So, there's no consistency or stability of business environment making our country less investor friendly.

    2. Too many complainers. From people who have nothing to do but complain (attention you leftist rallyists!) From people who want to be in power or those who want to influence those in power.

    3. No security of tenure for officials in posts such as SEC, BOI, MIAA, CSEZ, SBF. No security of tenure, no continuance in policies or programs.

    Well, if you want a really good indicator of why we're not taking off like Vietnam, just take a look at the cynicism of our fast dwindling middle class. They've no confidence in our government in managing our economy so they opt to go to foreign shores for better opportunities. A lot of our best minds and skilled workers don't work for local industries.

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    Majority of the public servant don't love the country Their slogan 'Ako muna, bago Bayan', enrich themselves while in government services

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    too much politic and too much corruption/corrupt officials.

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    Welcome back midnite

    I agree with theveed. Our country is not yet mature nor educated enough for a democracy.

    I am of the tyrannical opinion that people who have no TIN should not vote. Why should people who don't contribute get to decide what should be done with my money?!
    Last edited by Chip; December 6th, 2006 at 05:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus View Post
    Majority of the public servant don't love the country Their slogan 'Ako muna, bago Bayan', enrich themselves while in government services
    IMHO magkaiba ang "public servant" sa "politician".

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    Quote Originally Posted by theveed View Post
    uhmm... Anong connection ng basketball????

    midinite: honestly, IMO is too much democracy and the people not knowing how to use it properly.
    spot on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theveed View Post
    honestly, IMO is too much democracy and the people not knowing how to use it properly.
    this i agree with

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    In Vietnam, there's an urgency to succeed. After all of these decades spent suffering in poverty, there's that need to strive just to get to where the others already are. The same with China... there's all that pent-up energy, all that wasted potential that's now finding release.

    In all emerging economies, you'll see this. Hongkong, Singapore, Taiwan... there's no large base of natural resources and no real sense of security or wealth there... either they progress or they die.

    But the Philippines? We've had it easy for too long. There was never much urge for the Government to do things the "right" way... too much "easy" money for people in Government, too little accountability.

    This'll cost the people, what? Millions? Billions? Who cares, I'm not going to be there to answer for it after my term's up!

    And where's the impetus for change? Those same people will still be voted in by a populace that could care less how corrupt or incompetent a politician is, as long as they look good. Sure, that populace is suffering from poverty, but they still get by, and as long as there's a sliver of hope, a promise of progress from the liar they put into office, they're not going to complain.

    Life is too easy here... while we stagnate, those who have come from less, who are more challenged, pass us by.

    We're just like Mexico... only a little worse off.

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    My favorite topic

    Quote Originally Posted by theveed View Post
    honestly, IMO is too much democracy and the people not knowing how to use it properly.
    I agree with theveed. I do believe that democracy does foster economic growth, as it enables institutions to deliver its very tenets that SHOULD lead to efficiency. Sadly, the concept of democracy was imposed on us by the Westerners, and thus abuse. Walang pagpapahalaga.

    As to why we are lagging behind- it's caused by so many things. One political- economic explanation would be that these newly- industrialized economies have different ideologies and types of government (socialism, authoritarian, etc) that steer trade policies. Another is that they have a capable bureaucracy that is not only efficient, but effective.

    There also exists the problem of the poverty trap (rich getting richer, poor gets poorer), and the demographic trap (poor families = large families), and of course, corruption. In terms of our budget, ang daming magagawa nito for our country if only hindi ito binubulsa ng ating mga nasa gobyerno.
    We are a blessed country, and believe me we are rich, especially in natural resources. We just lack the view on allocation and sustainability.

    IMO, lahat ng nasa government are public servants. We installed them in their various offices to serve the people and country and nothing else. They should keep that in mind and base their actions on that.
    I disagree though that politicians are defined as having a selfish inclination. Politicians are those who are concerned with socio- economic- political affairs and nothing more. It is a general term.

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    Discipline,discipline and uhmmm discipline!!

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    1. poverty
    2. kurakot - during marcos regime, marcos gets the lions shre the rest gets a piece of it, most politicians(from president and her spouse to his son to the city councilor and even barangay captain) now gets the lion share if not every cents.

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    for me, the reason why we're like this is because Filipinos don't love the Philippines. I'm not saying everybody. but somehow we are guilty of this.

    if pinoys truly love the country, pinoys won't cheat on their taxes; won't help those who cheat their taxes, won't get people's taxes for their own use.

    if pinoys really love the country, pinoys won't shoot down an inventor with a great idea; won't vote a person because he/she is popular; won't rely on dole outs given by the government or somebody who is willing to help.

    i agree that those labor unions are always backed by communist people. i can only speak of the aquino presidency to the present that in all of the rallies being held left and right, people from the labor groups have always been against all our presidents. every single issue, they'd bring it to the streets, saying that the president is under the US government, etc.

    how i wish we can remove everybody in the government and every government agency and start from scratch. hopefully we can solve corruption.

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    The word is MALASAKIT.

    Our malasakit only extends as far as the few people in our circle. and beyond that, it's no longer our problem. it's somebody else's problem.

    We do not connect the effect of our actions on the country as a whole.

    We are too busy looking after our best interest. The country's best interest is somebody else's problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    The word is MALASAKIT.

    Our malasakit only extends as far as the few people in our circle. and beyond that, it's no longer our problem. it's somebody else's problem.

    We do not connect the effect of our actions on the country as a whole.

    We are too busy looking after our best interest. The country's best interest is somebody else's problem.

    there is a point here. this can also be seen as short-sightedness and not seeing the big picture. one-time-big-time thinking, imo. not long-term thinking. or not anymore at least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midinite View Post
    Of course circumstances have affected us economically. But one has mentioned in another thread that he cant understand why Vietnam is doing so well compared to us. There must be some underlying reason. Vietnam came from a war-ravaged past while we were the darling in the 50s and 60s.

    What would you say is the way to lead us to the road of true progress.

    All opinions are welcome. In fact, it may be in your opinion that we may find an answer.

    bec. they came from war. they have bottomed out na. na-experience na nila worse of the worst. i'm not talking about war against foreign nations. but civil war. Singapore, Japan, USA, they all had their own share of civil wars. they have witnessed first-hand the evils and horrors ng mga pinaggawa nila sa sarili nila.

    dito sa'tin we only have bluff wars and people power. we also took credit of 2 freedom/independence events, like we did everything by ourselves pero hindi naman ganun.

    ganun talaga pag nagpipilit to be proud of something pero deep in our hearts hindi naman talaga proud.

    we do not value our freedom like these countries do bec. if we do, hindi natin gagamitin ito blame others, blame the President, blame the govt. blame the opposition, blame the weather hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by midinite View Post
    Of course circumstances have affected us economically. But one has mentioned in another thread that he cant understand why Vietnam is doing so well compared to us. There must be some underlying reason. Vietnam came from a war-ravaged past while we were the darling in the 50s and 60s.

    What would you say is the way to lead us to the road of true progress.

    All opinions are welcome. In fact, it may be in your opinion that we may find an answer.


    Is it that time again???




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Why do you think Pinas is lagging behind its ASEAN neighbors?