Tour guide Celdran disrupts mass,protests church involvement in politics/RH Bill

[chua_riwap]

I saw this news item in Saksi. He's dressed like Dr. Jose Rizal........






http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...bCategoryId=65

Tour guide disrupts Mass, protests Church's opposition to RH bill


MANILA, Philippines - Manila tour guide Carlos Celdran interrupted a Mass at the Manila Cathedral yesterday afternoon to protest the religious leaders’ interference in the passage of the Reproductive Health (RH) bill.

Celdran, who is a known RH advocate, took church officials by surprise when he went near the altar and raised the placard with the word “Damaso,” referring to the fictional character Padre Damaso from Dr. Jose Rizal’s novel “Noli me Tangere,” which tells the abuses of the Spanish friars. Damaso, a Spanish friar, had a daughter by a Filipino woman.

One of those who witnessed Celdran’s protest said that at first no one reacted because they thought that it was part of the ecumenical prayer service for the second anniversary of the “May They Be One” Bible campaign.

It was only after he shouted, “Stop involving yourselves in politics. Politics, politics,” did the policemen approach him and escort him out of the cathedral.

Once outside, Celdran said the Church officials “need to hear what the Filipinos are saying: that 90 percent of the people want the RH.”

He then reportedly goaded the authorities to arrest him. He was later brought to a nearby police community precinct of the Manila Police District (MPD).

Sorsogon Bishop Arturo Bastes, who previously headed the Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines-Episcopal Commission for the Biblical Apostolate (CBCP-ECBA), said, “What is approved by people does not mean it is approved by God.”

He also believes that it was not proper for Celdran to disrupt the ecumenical service to express his objection to the Catholic Church’s position.

When asked if he would file charges against Celdran, Bastes said he would leave it up to the police. “I have no jurisdiction over this church. It must be the Archbishop of Manila or the parish priest. I am just a guest,” he said. – With Sandy Araneta

[Monseratto]

He has a point. The HYPROCRITICAL Church should not interfere in the affairs of the state. But they threatened the state with civil disobedience if goverment defy their wishes, something you won't hear of in other countries. When Spain approved same *** marriages and the right to divorce, wala magawa yung simbahan dun. The CATHOLIC CHURCH has become insignificant to them. Since the scandals involving PEDOPHILE PRIESTs and the GERMAN POPE who tried to hide them, lalong bumaba ang paningin ng mga tao sa simbahan. except here in the Philippines.

[CVT]

Agree. Why threaten the government with civil disobedience when the welfare of the state is at stake here? Also, where's the omnipresent free will of everyone?

Separation of power. Let's respect each other's charter.

10.8K:lalala:

[Monseratto]

Wasn't JOSE RIZAL excommunicated when he challenged the Church?

http://www.gmanews.tv/story/202332/c...ceptive-stance

CBCP head: Aquino might be excommunicated for contraceptive stance

Updated 8:28 p.m.) President Benigno Aquino III might face excommunication from the Catholic Church for supporting the use of contraceptives for artificial birth control, a leading bishop said Thursday.

Bishop Nereo Odchimar of Tandag, speaking as president of the influential Catholic Bishops’ Conference of the Philippines (CBCP), said in a radio interview that the Catholic Church can “possibly" subject Aquino to religious censure if the President insists on his stance that Filipino couples should be given the choice to use artificial contraceptives.

“It can be a possibility. But I do not say that, right now, it is a proximate possibility," Odchimar said in an interview over Church-run Radio Veritas on Thursday, adding that the bishops are "open for dialogue."

Portions of the Radio Veritas interview with Odchimar were quoted in the report of GMA News' Claire Delfin aired over "24-Oras" on Thursday evening.

Despite the possibility of excommunication, President Aquino said hours after Odchimar’s statement that he is not changing his position on contraceptive use.

"We are all guided by our consciences. My position has not changed. The state's duty is to educate our families as to their responsibilities and to respect their decisions if they are in conformity to our laws," Aquino said in a statement on Thursday.

The President likewise maintained his stance on “responsible parenthood," saying that the state should respect the choices couples make on the kind of birth control method they want to utilize. (See: Aquino opposes Church on birth control issue)

During a meeting with a Filipino community in San Francisco last week, the president said the government "is obligated to inform everybody of their responsibility and their choices, at the end of the day government might provide assistance to those who are without means if they want to employ a particular method."

[tidus1203]

My conspiracy thoery is the Catholic church really was created to make this country poor. No offense to Catholics, pero country where majority of the population are practicing Catholicism is a moderately rich country at best. Lahat ng mga mayayaman na Western countries are practicing a form of Protestant religion like Baptist or Methodist etc...

[chua_riwap]

Relative ba ni David Celdran yan ng ANC? Parang hawig eh.

[shadow]

naku, papayagan pa ba siya mag guide around intramuros?

[voltscastillo]

guy's a jackass but he does have a point.

some people just can't threaten "civil disobedience" and then expect other people to respect their rules.

on the subject of family planning though, my conspiracy theory is that the family planning thing/brith control is the idea of western superpowers to limit our growth, as a nation.

china has an astounding birth rate (although i've heard may some form of birth control na din sila ngayon)... i've even read somewhere that now, 2 out of every 6 people are chinese... pero the main resource of china now is their population. they're on the verge of becoming a superpower again (there's just so damn many of them, hehe).

[_Cathy_]

I respect his beliefs but what he did was beyond disrespectful.

[111prez]

hear, hear for celdran

[Haruto]

guy's a jackass but he does have a point.

some people just can't threaten "civil disobedience" and then expect other people to respect their rules.

on the subject of family planning though, my conspiracy theory is that the family planning thing/brith control is the idea of western superpowers to limit our growth, as a nation.

china has an astounding birth rate (although i've heard may some form of birth control na din sila ngayon)... i've even read somewhere that now, 2 out of every 6 people are chinese... pero the main resource of china now is their population. they're on the verge of becoming a superpower again (there's just so damn many of them, hehe).

Note that china has had the one child policy for a veeeery long time. they are actually allowing 2 right now but it is subject to government 'investigation' if the family can handle 2 children.

Kudos to Mr.Celdran!

[Monseratto]

guy's a jackass but he does have a point.

some people just can't threaten "civil disobedience" and then expect other people to respect their rules.

on the subject of family planning though, my conspiracy theory is that the family planning thing/brith control is the idea of western superpowers to limit our growth, as a nation.

china has an astounding birth rate (although i've heard may some form of birth control na din sila ngayon)... i've even read somewhere that now, 2 out of every 6 people are chinese... pero the main resource of china now is their population. they're on the verge of becoming a superpower again (there's just so damn many of them, hehe).

^^^China has a very strict one child policy. Kaya may warning ngayon that there will more chinese males than females, since males are preferred to chinese families. Uber spoiled pa mga ito.China is a production/export driven country that's why they're rich. The Philippine is a consumer driven one that's why its poor. The Philippines has a high birth rate not proportionate to its GDP which usually mean higher poverty rate. Rich countries like Siingapore nga and some in Europe have to entice its citizens to make babies, because their highly educated population would rather make money than families.

[shadow]

kulang pa yun ginawa niya dapat hinampas niya yun mga pari sa harap niya.

[_Cathy_]

I hold priests in high regard so I can't fathom how Celdran could do such a thing.

[Monseratto]

Buti di niya ginaya si Sinead O' Connor.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin%C3%A9ad_O%27Connor

On 3 October 1992, O'Connor appeared on Saturday Night Live as a musical guest. She was singing an a cappella version of Bob Marley's "War", which she intended as a protest over the ***ual abuse in the Roman Catholic Church, by changing the lyric "racism" to "child abuse."[16] She then presented a photo of Pope John Paul II to the camera while singing the word "evil", after which she tore the photo into pieces, said "Fight the real enemy," and threw the pieces towards the camera.[17]

Her message that time has now become significant, which is against child abuse in the catholic church. The current Pope has been forced to recognized the problem and publicly apologized to the victims.

[badsekktor]

If they excommunicate noynoy, I say, distribute the lands owned by the church........... and might as well tax them.............

[CoDer]

Nah dapat pinagsasampal nya ang mga pari nyang hawak nya.

Sorry but Catholic priest are idiotic morons, calling civil disobedience againt RH bill.

Ilang milyon na ba tayo ngayon? Damukal kayong mga pari kayo, and liit ng bansa natin.

[uls]

tama ginawa ni Celdran

the Catholic church leaders called for civil disobedience

those retards should be arrested for inciting rebellion or something

somebody has to remind them we are no longer a Spanish colony

[ghosthunter]

I hold priests in high regard so I can't fathom how Celdran could do such a thing.

Priests are human too.

And often the catholic church in the Philippines have been meddling too much into politics, example is the passing of the RH bill.

We have a separation of church and state.

If the church doesn't want the passing of the RH bill, maybe they can take care of all the unwanted children themselves?

[niky]

What's funny is... the Chinese experience is the best indicator that active, aggressive population control doesn't really work. The only real way to make people have less babies is to educate them and make them more prosperous. Both affect how many babies people will have. No matter what you do, poor and poorly educated people will always have lots of babies.

I respect his beliefs but what he did was beyond disrespectful.

Civil disobedience as a response to the threat of civil disobedience seems a fair trade. If the Church threatens to disrupt other people's lives simply to make a political point, why is it wrong for a private citizen to do the same?

some people just can't threaten "civil disobedience" and then expect other people to respect their rules.

Hear, hear.