first aid, anyone?

[badkuk]

eto lang ung napapansin ko dito. whenever you see an accident of sorts, you always see people rushing to carry people out of the scene and onto ambulances/vehicles. di ko ata nakikita na me nag aapply ng first aid. isip ko lang kasi, ung mga cases na DOA, baka di naman dapat namatay, had they received proper first aid -- e.g. applying a bandage on an open wound, administering CPR, etc.

di ba dapat ung mga pulis, traffic enforcers, firefighters, etc., should be doing this?

[rhops]

malimit pa dito isang tao lang nagbubuhat tapos yung tipong laylay yung ulo or kamay. Lalong maagravate yung injury nung naaksidente. Baka nga kesa mabuhay pa eh matutuluyan na

[nicolodeon]

IMHO, everybody should know first aid and CPR. Modesty aside, my knowledge of CPR came in handy a couple of times on the road in the past. Who knows? The life you would be saving might be of a loved one or someone you know. I learned about first and CPR just by reading the articles I downloaded in the 'Net years ago.

[smooth]

sabi nga nila basic lang naman: ABCD => (A) is for airway, make sure the patient has a good airway, nothing blocking his mouth and/or nostrils that might impede the passage of air; (B) is for breathing, make sure the patient is able to breath (mouth to mouth mo kung kailangan); (C) is circulation, dapat may dumadaloy na dugo sa mga ugat niya, kaya i-external chest compression mo kung kailangan, and (D) is for drugs, sana may dala kang mga gamot para tulungan ang pasyente

kung aksidente, cardinal rule, first do no harm (primum no nocere). lalo na kung unconscious, try to ascertain kung may tama sa cervical spine ang pasyente. if you can't determine this, stabilize and support (ergo immobilize) mo na lang ang neck so that you won't add to the injury.

question lang (trivia na din): sa mga TV shows, kapag nag-fa-flatline ang mga pasyente, ang una nilang instinct is to use the defibrillator. anyone knows why?

[badkuk]

um...mas effective siguro kesa ung pagmasahe ng chest/heart?

[baiskee]

di pinapahalagahan buhay ng tao dito sa pinas.

[smooth]

um...mas effective siguro kesa ung pagmasahe ng chest/heart?

sorry. i got carried away with posting. this is going to get too technical.

anyway, sabi sa mga pag-aaral, di daw talaga flatline yun but very fine cardiac fibrillation during "cardiac arrest" kaya defibrillator ang ginagamit. napansin ko lang kasi ang unang instinct ng mga palabas sa TV at sinehan e gamitin ang defibrillator. kahit sa baywatch. kaya napaisip ako.

[wiretap_md]

When you come across someone with no breathing and no pulse, your first reaction would be to initiate cardiopulmonary resusciation. The heart has stopped pumping so you need to "massage" it back to function. This is the purpose of your chest compression procedure. However, chest compression is futile without oxygen bein delieverd to the lungs for transport to the body and vice versa, thus necesitating the need for mouth to mouth blows.
Fibrillation means that there is an abnormal electrical spread of the current inside the heart, thus causing fine, uncoordinated and ineffective pumping. Doing "DE"-fibrillation means you introduce a sequence of strong electric jolts to the heart (measured in JOULES) with the hope that you "shock" the heart back to its proper cardiac rhythm and pace. 2 paddles are applied to the chest... one to the sternal area and the other to the apex. No one should be in contact with the patient except the operator holding the 2 paddles. In our institution back in UST, we would usually shout" ONE, I'm clear, TWO, you're clear, THREE everybody clear" then depress the 2 paddle triggers.

[smooth]

When you come across someone with no breathing and no pulse, your first reaction would be to initiate cardiopulmonary resusciation. The heart has stopped pumping so you need to "massage" it back to function. This is the purpose of your chest compression procedure. However, chest compression is futile without oxygen bein delieverd to the lungs for transport to the body and vice versa, thus necesitating the need for mouth to mouth blows.
Fibrillation means that there is an abnormal electrical spread of the current inside the heart, thus causing fine, uncoordinated and ineffective pumping. Doing "DE"-fibrillation means you introduce a sequence of strong electric jolts to the heart (measured in JOULES) with the hope that you "shock" the heart back to its proper cardiac rhythm and pace. 2 paddles are applied to the chest... one to the sternal area and the other to the apex. No one should be in contact with the patient except the operator holding the 2 paddles. In our institution back in UST, we would usually shout" ONE, I'm clear, TWO, you're clear, THREE everybody clear" then depress the 2 paddle triggers.

sir wiretap_md, add ko lang, while doing resuscitation, don't forget to call for help

[odell]

kaso ang problema.. sila mismo hinde alam kung anu un first aid

[cutedoc]

first thing above all= do not panic!!! alam mo nga first aid, you are equipt with basic knowlwdge of saving a person pero once nag panic ka, makakalimutan mu yan, mas matataranta ka rather than helping, 2nd kung di na marunong first aid and hindi ka panic, kelangan ng presence of mind, so kung di ka marunong, at home you may call, use cellphone, neighbor, etc go back to the basic muna, extend your hand and grasp within reach, you might have a car home sinakay mo nga di ka naman marunong drive...useless prolong idle time pa yun.

[van_wilder]

kapag bumagsak wag bastabasta itatayo kasi baka tinamaan yun spine... lalong lalala yun

[OTEP]

As with smooth's post, a physician's (or whoever happens to be at the scene) duty is to FIRST DO NO HARM.

Assess the environment. Is the victim in danger (nasa riles ng train, car about to explode etc.).

If there is no immediate environmental danger, check if the victim is conscious or not. Check vital signs. Always assume that there is spinal involvement. Immobilize the neck and back (using wooden splints, backboard, etc.).

If victim needs immediate CPR, you may have to move him despite not having proper spinal immobilization. A broken neck is preferred over a dead patient.

Start CPR as per wiretap's instruction. Bring victim to the nearest medical institution.

Do not do these things alone, always get help.

*Btw, de-fibrillation is not the first thing to do when someone flatlines. Sobrang sensationalized lang ng TV ang defibrillation. Nakakaasar kasi when we are doing CPR in the ER, sigaw ng sigaw ang relative: "kuryentihin niyo na, kuryentihin niyo na!!!"

[boybi]

*Btw, de-fibrillation is not the first thing to do when someone flatlines. Sobrang sensationalized lang ng TV ang defibrillation. Nakakaasar kasi when we are doing CPR in the ER, sigaw ng sigaw ang relative: "kuryentihin niyo na, kuryentihin niyo na!!!"

bwahahaha! nasobrahan sa kakapanood ng movies!

[cutedoc]

meron nga akong naalala, old movie blunder, starring vilma santos and christopher de leon, parang na heart attack ata sa isang location yun matanda while seated on a wheel chair, tapos ng cpr on wheel chair...duh???