Explosion at Glorietta?

[cumbersome]

I did not say that they are corrupt. Pardon my term of "greed" but I am totally disgusted by the fact that they have not finished the investigation whether it was a bomb or a leak and they open? They have not cleared the real cause and here they are saying "business as usual" ? If safety is to be compromised, for me it is non-negotiable regardless of the loss. Remember that Glorietta is inter-connected and perhaps even the electricals are. So why open the next day and say that it is now "safe" structurally or "secured" in terms of threats?

cleaning.

They did check the structural integrity of the mall before they opened the areas that were undamaged. But i guess the important thing is to not to let terrorists, regardless of source or intent, hold sway in our lives. During the 2005 bombing of the London transport system where 4 bombs exploded leaving more than 50 dead, the English defiantly went on their routine the next day. While it is certainly wise to be cautious when we are in these areas, extreme measures such as boycotting malls and avoiding public places just give terrorists the feedback they want, and thus, encourage and embolden them to continue their assault on our way of living. I surmise that this is more the reason behind the opening of the mall the very next day.

[carscout]

I for myself wouldn't easily swallow this "terrorist did it" that Gondzales and Esperon is trying to feed the public. Their are too many inconsistencies if this is indeed initiated by any of our local terrorist group here. Maybe if the following qeustion has been answered to my satisfaction, I might start believing its a terrorist action. Maximum damaged, maximum casualties..thats the terrorist adaged, to instill terror.

This are just some of the question I'd like to raised.. Anybody?

1. Earlier reports say they found traces of RDX. The explosive material in C-4 is cyclotrimethylene-trinitramine (C3H6N6O6), commonly called RDX (which stands for “royal demolition explosive” or “research development explosive”).
Of course, there is a possibility we will never find out as the water from the sprinklers may have washed out the traces by now.

2. Timing. Why detonate the bomb at a time with the least amount of traffic (people) at the mall?

3. Target Area. Why that area of the mall? Why not the most crowded?

4. Responsibility. It doesn’t make sense, what message does this bombing have? Since RSG is claiming it, what is the message?

5. There was only one bomb. The perpetrators were sure of what they were doing, they were sure of the method. (sure it will explode). Terrorist usually do simultaneous detonation at different areas for maximum impact.

6. Why did Esperon/NSC wait for Trillanes to say something before confirming (?) that the C4 inventory in the military is all accounted for “except for the ones with the Magdalo?”

7. The blast may have destroyed the ceiling/roof because the floor is much thicker/stronger so the shock wave went up (path of least resistance). If damage and casualty number is to be expected, blast should be sideward not upward?

8. Deaths and injuries were more blast related, impact of shock wave and debris from the structure (walls, glass, etc.). No metal pieces usually wrapped around the the explosive to maximize death and injury (otherwise known as shrapnel).

9. This bomb was more “percussive” than "destructive", precisely calculated for maximum noise with minimal collateral damage. Only an expert could have done that either a trained EOD from Military or Mining Engineers (beats me why a miner wants to bomb glorieta though)

Of course, some corners may say we should wait for experts’ findings and rightly so. We wait. But whoever is responsible for this will find out that the people are no longer that gullible, we can see through “experts’” jargon-talk, and sift through the clouds of confusion that seem not to have dissipated.

AND THE POLICE INVESTIGATORS ARE TOO SLOW IN THE CONDUCT OF THEIR INVESTIGATION.
ARE THEIR HANDS TIED OR THE INVESITGATION BEING BUNGLED?
COULD IT BE THAT BOMBING WAS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN BUT IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO KILL?

[jonski]

Here we go again

[Honda97]

2. Timing. Why detonate the bomb at a time with the least amount of traffic (people) at the mall?

Actually, Friday lunch is also a busy time for the Malls.

9. This bomb was more “percussive” than "destructive", precisely calculated for maximum noise with minimal collateral damage. Only an expert could have done that either a trained EOD from Military or Mining Engineers (beats me why a miner wants to bomb glorieta though)

11 dead and maybe more than 80 injured? Isn't that quite a lot? It's quite a statement to bomb a mall like Glorietta. Even if they say it was an accident, it would be such a big issue on ALI Engineering to allow such an accident.

Just my reaction. Couldn't help it. Peace.

[nels76]

question: if it was indeed methane+diesel that caused the explosion, wouldn't the whole G2 have caught fire? alangan namang sumabog ung methane at ung diesel hindi sumabog? imho(di naman ako explosives expert) the methane could have been odorless, and burned clean hence no residue...but the diesel fuel would've stuck to the sorrounding structure and burned right?

Diesel burns by compression and not by Ignition.
Kita mo Diesel Engine, no spark plugs.
All the engine do is to compress it to have a combustion.

[Galactus]

^^^ Yup, diesel first has to be compressed and heated before it ignites and explodes, unlike gasoline which is a highly flammable substance.

This I learned several years ago from an episode in "Adderly" starring Winston Rekert. Kaya daw yung mga diesel-fed cars na kapag binabaril tapos sumasabog agad ay di totoo, it happens only in the movies.

May na-feature na sa Future Weapons na FAB, Fuel-Air Bomb, which atomizes the incendiary fuel before ignition several meters above the ground. Mas malakas daw ang destructive effect kesa conventional, ground-impact bombs. Also, in the early 1980's, I read a feature on the F.A.E. (Fuel-Air Explosive) in a Batman comic book. Baka ganun din ang nangyari sa Glorietta.

[Monseratto]

I heard over the radio that the diesel tank roof have been ripped open and the tank cover was hurled at a considerable distance. Diesel doesn't just explode. The tank belongs to Luk Yuen Noodle House. The FBI intial finding is that the is no RDX residue, contradicting the local police findings.

[wildthing]

for obvious reasons, they are already covering it up.

[6shooter]

for obvious reasons, they are already covering it up.

sino po at anu ang dahilan?

[redorange]

wala nga po. pero kung meron man lang nag amin sa kanila diba dapat i paalam ko? kasi higit sa lahat ang loyalty po natin ay dapat sa bansa at ang mga pilipino. di lang sa isang interest group.

ang nagpagsabog ay mga duwag at "selfish" din po dahil sarili lang nila ang naisip nila at parang di nila magawa man lang na harap harapan.

ask ko lang po...napansin niyo ba na parang di uso dito ang suicide bomber? dahil di po kaya ganun kalakas ang "conviction" ng mga rebelde?

Because suicide isn't part of the Pinoy culture and regardless of religion, Christian or Islam a Pinoy doesn't view suicide as a good thing. Second would be that the rebel problem of the Philippines is economically based, if these people had jobs that gave them a future to look forward to then there wouldn't be a problem. As I tell my friends who worry about ASG/MILF/MNLF members getting into the US and doing suicide bombings. If they ever do get in they would look for a job and start supporting their family like every other Pinoy in the US. As far as I know the only suicide bombing in the Philippines was the one inside the Super Ferry and that was done by an Indonesian not a Pinoy. The Rizal day bombing and the bombing of the bus in Makati if I recall correctly were also done by Indonesians not Pinoy Muslims. If I am wrong then other members can correct me on that information.