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    Church says girl's communion not valid
    Thursday, August 19, 2004 Posted: 2332 GMT (0732 HKT)

    BRIELLE, New Jersey (AP) -- An 8-year-old girl who suffers from a rare digestive disorder and cannot eat wheat has had her first Holy Communion declared invalid because the wafer contained no wheat, violating Roman Catholic doctrine.

    Now, Haley Waldman's mother is pushing the Diocese of Trenton and the Vatican to make an exception, saying the girl's condition should not exclude her from the sacrament, which commemorates the Last Supper of Jesus Christ before his crucifixion. The mother believes a rice Communion wafer would suffice.

    "It's just not a viable option. How does it corrupt the tradition of the Last Supper? It's just rice versus wheat," said Elizabeth Pelly-Waldman.

    Church doctrine holds that Communion wafers, like the bread served at the Last Supper, must have at least some unleavened wheat. Church leaders are reluctant to change anything about the sacrament.

    "This is not an issue to be determined at the diocesan or parish level, but has already been decided for the Roman Catholic Church throughout the world by Vatican authority," Trenton Bishop John M. Smith said in a statement last week.

    Haley was diagnosed with celiac sprue disease when she was 5. The disorder occurs in people with a genetic intolerance of gluten, a food protein contained in wheat and other grains.

    When consumed by celiac sufferers, gluten damages the lining of the small intestine, blocking nutrient absorption and leading to vitamin deficiencies, bone-thinning and sometimes gastrointestinal cancer.

    The diocese has told Haley's mother that the girl can receive a low-gluten wafer, or just drink wine at Communion, but that anything without gluten does not qualify. Pelly-Waldman rejected the offer, saying her child could be harmed by even a small amount of the substance.

    Haley's Communion controversy isn't the first. In 2001, the family of a 5-year-old Massachusetts girl with the disease left the Catholic church after being denied permission to use a rice wafer.

    Some Catholic churches allow no-gluten hosts, while others do not, said Elaine Monarch, executive director of the Celiac Disease Foundation, a California-based support group for sufferers.

    "It is an undue hardship on a person who wants to practice their religion and needs to compromise their health to do so," Monarch said.

    The church has similar rules for Communion wine. For alcoholics, the church allows a substitute for wine under some circumstances, however the drink must still be fermented from grapes and contain some alcohol. Grape juice is not a valid substitute.

    Haley, a shy, brown-haired tomboy who loves surfing and hates wearing dresses, realizes the consequences of taking a wheat wafer.

    "I'm on a gluten-free diet because I can't have wheat. I could die," she said last week.

    Last year, as the third grader approached Holy Communion age in this Jersey Shore town, her mother told officials at St. Denis Catholic Church in Manasquan that the girl could not have the standard host.

    After the church's pastor refused to allow a substitute, a priest at a nearby parish volunteered to offer one, and in May, Haley wore a white Communion dress, and received the sacrament alongside her mother, who had not taken Communion since she herself was diagnosed with the disease.

    Last month, the diocese told the priest that the church would not validate Haley's sacrament because of the substitute wafer.

    "I struggled with telling her that the sacrament did not happen," said Pelly-Waldman. "She lives in a world of rules. She says 'Mommy, do we want to break a rule? Are we breaking a rule?"'

    Pelly-Waldman is seeking help from the Pope and has written to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in Rome, challenging the church's policy.

    "This is a church rule, not God's will, and it can easily be adjusted to meet the needs of the people, while staying true to the traditions of our faith," Pelly-Waldman wrote in the letter.

    Pelly-Waldman -- who is still attending Mass every Sunday with her four children -- said she is not out to bash the church, just to change the policy that affects her daughter.

    "I'm hopeful. Do I think it will be a long road to change? Yes. But I'm raising an awareness and I'm taking it one step at a time," she said.

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    Well... I think the church should be flexible enough in this case... to change with the times. After all, they didn't know about this disease at the time the "rule" was written, right?

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    agree.

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    just one more instance that proves the church is in many ways out of touch with contemporary reality. would Jesus refuse to let this girl receive him? i think not.

    kind of like the working on the Sabbath rule back then. which is more important anyway? the letter, or the spirit of the law? wasn't jesus' reply to that issue something like, would you not save a dying man simply because it was the Sabbath?

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    parang Angels and Demons ah... hehe...

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    for us non-Catholics... parang nakaka down naman sobra nung ganung ruling... parang masyadong strict...

    even with the wine... kami sa church grape juice lang para makatipid.

    btw, the focus shouldn't on the ingredients but on the act itself.

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    how typical of the church...stuck in the middle ages, out of touch with reality.

    I do support some of the church's decisions, like its stand on abortion and gays. but their stand on contraception and celibacy for priest is so backward

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    not to mention, on feminism and population control.

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    theveed, haha! more church conspiracies! ;)

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    Parang mga members ng MASON... bakit daming cases na pag namatay ayaw bendisyunan ng Pari?? di ko ma intindihan ano ibig sabihin nila don..

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    some people get more caught up with the act itself rather than why we perform the act for

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    no matter who you are, what you do, we are all human beings..let's just accept this fact; to err is human to forgive is divine..ergo, magpakabanal tayong lahat..

    taga simbahan man o hindi..

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    "no matter who you are, what you do"

    kala ko "david's salon brings out the best in you.."

    :D :D

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    Originally posted by the_wildthing
    Well... I think the church should be flexible enough in this case... to change with the times. After all, they didn't know about this disease at the time the "rule" was written, right?
    also agree 100%
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    OT:hehehe.. sir theveed papasyalan ko ho minsan yang BBPD place mapahilamusan sina taxi-saviour at coding-buster..

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    parang wala na siyang magagawa don, kasi talagang kaugalian na siguro ng simbahan un. pero dapat nga maintindihan nila ung ganong sitwasyon. pero kelan ba nakinig ang simbahan. tsk tsk. kung ayaw nila e di wag! sa case nung bata ano gusto mangyari ng simbahan don. mapahamak ung bata. tsk tsk.

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    The bible says if you accept Jesus and follow the word of God, you can go to heaven. I don't think they won't let that little girl enter the gates of heaven because she failed to eat that piece of wheat. If that's the case then I say 99.99999% of us will up in purgatory for some other technicalities. I think about *** every 247 seconds, they better clear some room for me then.

    Church doctrine is so outdated and most of the rituals they practice is invented by humans anyway (most of it is Greek influenced), not by God.

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    Ephesians 2:8

    "For it is by GRACE through FAITH that you are saved NOT by WORKS so no one may BOAST."

    Not really the exact words basahin nyo nalang ang bible to get the exact verse.

    Anyone who has REAL and TRUE faith in Jesus will be spared. Those who obey his commands will be saved.

    Thats the problem with most people they think by doing good works will save them.

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    Our Church Rules our just obsolete. Kaya pati Population Control nadadamay eh.

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    Hmmm... mukhang nagiging Catholic Church bashing thread na ito ah.... Religion wars ? :-)

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