adventure or carens or crosswind whos best in overall

[twister]

hello tsikoteers,im planning to buy a car,help me to choose from carens,adventure and crosswind. its going to be family use and in business also. its just an additional car,extra ba... so please help me to choose whats the best for everyday use,a all around vehicle,a smart one,durable wise,and great performance also...
so if you gonna buy a car( carens or adventure or crosswind) which you gonna choose and why?
PLEASE HELP TO SOLVE...
THANKS...

[renzo_d10]

Hi sir.

Tip lang, post niyo po ito sa car comparisons

anyways, carens na ko........why? it's more luxurious and shockingly fast......

[LeOxe]

i will choose carens because of its good ride feel. its downside is that it has ground clearance similar to that of a sedan which is prone to scraping on road humps.

[tidus1203]

CARENS! The two others are grand dad's still being forced to be sold by their respective companies.

[renzo_d10]

CARENS! The two others are grand dad's still being forced to be sold by their respective companies.

MEDYO! tama

[Esnie.com]

spareparts availability go for xwind or adventure, these two vehicles will not give you headache in finding the parts

for speed and luxurious looks go for carens, ang bilis tumakbo ng carens i saw it once sa sctex more than 140kph and can go higher pa ata

btw you mentioned gagamitin sa business why not pick up truck?

[renzo_d10]

spareparts availability go for xwind or adventure, these two vehicles will not give you headache in finding the parts

for speed and luxurious looks go for carens, ang bilis tumakbo ng carens i saw it once sa sctex more than 140kph and can go higher pa ata

btw you mentioned gagamitin sa business why not pick up truck?

Wildtrak, Nav, Strada are the best choices

[valskie01]

spareparts availability go for xwind or adventure, these two vehicles will not give you headache in finding the parts

for speed and luxurious looks go for carens, ang bilis tumakbo ng carens i saw it once sa sctex more than 140kph and can go higher pa ata

btw you mentioned gagamitin sa business why not pick up truck?

yup! the carens can go 200+kph.

carens a/t redline starts at 4700rpm

[valskie01]

CARENS! The two others are grand dad's still being forced to be sold by their respective companies.

pero dami parin bumibili lalo na ang crosswind

[mey0r]

hello tsikoteers,im planning to buy a car,help me to choose from carens,adventure and crosswind. its going to be family use and in business also. its just an additional car,extra ba... so please help me to choose whats the best for everyday use,a all around vehicle,a smart one,durable wise,and great performance also...
so if you gonna buy a car( carens or adventure or crosswind) which you gonna choose and why?
PLEASE HELP TO SOLVE...
THANKS...

Are you looking for an extra second hand unit or brand new vehicle? Diesel options mo, go for Isuzu.

[renzo_d10]

Are you looking for an extra second hand unit or brand new vehicle? Diesel options mo, go for Isuzu.

Malamang Brand New iyan

[ghosthunter]

hello tsikoteers,im planning to buy a car,help me to choose from carens,adventure and crosswind. its going to be family use and in business also. its just an additional car,extra ba... so please help me to choose whats the best for everyday use,a all around vehicle,a smart one,durable wise,and great performance also...
so if you gonna buy a car( carens or adventure or crosswind) which you gonna choose and why?
PLEASE HELP TO SOLVE...
THANKS...

How much cargo space do you need for your business?

[renzo_d10]

I agree with sir ghosthunter....how much cargo space do you need for your business?


ADD:

What kind of cargo will you put at the first place?

[roberto_minosa]

hello tsikoteers,im planning to buy a car,help me to choose from carens,adventure and crosswind. its going to be family use and in business also. its just an additional car,extra ba... so please help me to choose whats the best for everyday use,a all around vehicle,a smart one,durable wise,and great performance also...
so if you gonna buy a car( carens or adventure or crosswind) which you gonna choose and why?
PLEASE HELP TO SOLVE...
THANKS...

Carens. No brainer, actually. I haven't driven one, but it sure is impressive on paper. Keep in mind, the engines of both your other choices have HP ratings of around 80HP (no more gasoline-powered Adventure). That sucks big time in my opinion. The Carens on the other hand, has more than 140HP if i'm correct.

On speed, don't even think about getting the other two. I've driven a couple of Crosswinds, and it sucks on acceleration. Same story on top speed. I'm normally a fast driver, but I'm scared to death when I'm overtaking using that car. The Adventure on the other hand, has a fast gas engine, but it's phased out. The diesel we're left with sucks on speed and acceleration. A lot have reported no more than 140km/h top speed, with no passengers. Finally, the Carens is
fast. The picture you saw earlier was not yet flat out. If you seen the "What is your top speed?" thread, you'll see a speedo of a Carens running at 200km/h. Inggit ako. The variable geometry turbo must work magic, as it's the same kind found on the Starex and Accent, both of which are also fast cars.

On space, I'm assuming you're not after a cavern so still the Carens is a good choice although the Adventure and Crosswind are both more spacious. Remember, with great space comes great bulk. This is somehow more beneficial to the Carens, as it makes it easier to get on and off it since it's not too tall like your other choices.

On reliability, given your choices, I think it's not toughness of the car per se, but a matter of finding a reliable dealership to service the car, and one that is easy to deal with regarding warranty concerns. Giving more details, the Adventure pretty much falls apart and breaks down if driven by a rally driver, the Crosswind will have accessories falling off of it if driven on uncharted jungles but still run, and I can't say anything about the Carens. But I'd still stick with it since it's a more modern design.

Verdict. Carens. But you ought to consider having a pickup as an extra car.

[Bogeyman]

The Adventure on the other hand, has a fast gas engine, but it's phased out. The diesel we're left with sucks on speed and acceleration. A lot have reported no more than 140km/h top speed, with no passengers.

The gasoline engine is still available on the Adventure GLS Sport variant. Besides, the Adventure and Crosswind weren't exactly built with racing in mind; if you want breakneck speed and acceleration, you're better off with a sedan, coupe or hatchback. And what good is all that horsepower if there are hardly any roads to drive fast in?

On reliability, given your choices, I think it's not toughness of the car per se, but a matter of finding a reliable dealership to service the car, and one that is easy to deal with regarding warranty concerns. Giving more details, the Adventure pretty much falls apart and breaks down if driven by a rally driver, the Crosswind will have accessories falling off of it if driven on uncharted jungles but still run, and I can't say anything about the Carens. But I'd still stick with it since it's a more modern design.

It's more than just the aesthetics and structural integrity. Can the Carens CRDi engine survive long-term consumption of local diesel fuel, the way that the Adventure's 4D56 and Isuzu's 4JA1 have all these years?

Consider that our diesel fuel is not exactly the cleanest in the world, and bear in mind that a dealership may refuse warranty coverage for engine damage caused by using contaminated diesel, regardless of the brand. The high pressure injectors on a common rail engine are notoriously sensitive to such contamination, as well as being expensive to replace (this is why I'm still somewhat wary of the Strada's 2.5 DI-D powerplant, even if it was derived from the legendary 4D56). Where overall reliability is concerned, most will agree that the Adventure and Crosswind engines have already proven themselves in the local market, long before the Carens was even conceptualized.

Personally I'd rather have a relatively slow engine that can assure me at least ten years of hassle-free service, than an impressively fast engine that's good for only half that period before breaking the bank in repairs.

Verdict. Carens. But you ought to consider having a pickup as an extra car.

And that wouldn't be very cost-effective IMHO, paying annually for twice the registration, twice the insurance and twice the maintenance when one vehicle can do the job.

[niky]

It takes quite a number of years, plus a lot of mileage, to cause CRDi injector failure. Near as I can tell, you're looking at replacing injectors after 120,000 - 150,000 kms. They may even reach the 200,000 km mark if your suking diesel station is really clean.

Considering I've had to overhaul fuel pumps (and sometimes, even engines) at 150,000 kms on some of our older cars and diesels, that's not too bad. And if you're a typical city owner, driving about 10-15k kms a year, you're probably going to sell the car before the injectors are even close to failing.

Of course, the price for injectors at the moment is around 30,000 a piece. Cleaning a set of regular injectors costs much, much, less... I don't even know if piezo injectors can be cleaned... so if you're the kind of person who's buying a car for less than 1m, you probably don't have the long term budget to replace those things.

Of course, you can save 1 peso in a contingency fund for every kilometer driven... so by the time you have to replace injectors, you've got the money for it... :hysterical:

But like EFI, prices for all things CRDI should go down over the next few years, as it becomes more common... and newer diesel blends should be less damaging to these new systems. You could also add an extra in-line filter and do filter maintenance more often to extend the life of these parts.

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But... again... if you're using the vehicle for work or business, I doubt the numbers will work out in the long run. You might as well get a vehicle with an old-style diesel and the barest trim you can afford. In fact, if this is a business purchase, buying a one or two year old Crosswind or Adventure would make even more sense... you're not paying some ridiculously high price for old-fashioned technology, and you're getting a vehicle with low wear-and-tear and cheap replacement parts.

[Bogeyman]

It takes quite a number of years, plus a lot of mileage, to cause CRDi injector failure. Near as I can tell, you're looking at replacing injectors after 120,000 - 150,000 kms. They may even reach the 200,000 km mark if your suking diesel station is really clean.

Ideal of course, provided you religiously stick to that branch with every fill-up. But throw in those occasional out of town trips, which entails a stop at unfamiliar pumps with suspect fuel quality, and that's when the proposition becomes less attractive, at least for me.

Of course, the price for injectors at the moment is around 30,000 a piece. Cleaning a set of regular injectors costs much, much, less... I don't even know if piezo injectors can be cleaned... so if you're the kind of person who's buying a car for less than 1m, you probably don't have the long term budget to replace those things.

Not necessarily; it could be a sign of sound judgment on the part of the buyer. It's also not entirely impossible for someone to plonk down a king's ransom on a CRDi vehicle while having no clue as to expenses in the long run. Not their fault really, because I doubt if a typical dealership would forthrightly tell a potential customer, "Hold on, a single piezo injector on this model will eventually cost you this much to replace over its service life. Would you still want to buy this car, or are you willing to consider our lower-tier models, or maybe those on our competitors?"

Of course, you can save 1 peso in a contingency fund for every kilometer driven... so by the time you have to replace injectors, you've got the money for it... :hysterical:

Now there's an idea. :lol:

But like EFI, prices for all things CRDI should go down over the next few years, as it becomes more common... and newer diesel blends should be less damaging to these new systems. You could also add an extra in-line filter and do filter maintenance more often to extend the life of these parts.

Reminds me of the timing belt vs. timing chain argument; if there was a possibility that one could do away with more diligence (and more cost) than what is absolutely necessary to maintain a car, people would most certainly go for that.

[roberto_minosa]

I think TS is looking for a weekend car.

The gasoline engine is still available on the Adventure GLS Sport variant. Besides, the Adventure and Crosswind weren't exactly built with racing in mind; if you want breakneck speed and acceleration, you're better off with a sedan, coupe or hatchback. And what good is all that horsepower if there are hardly any roads to drive fast in?

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Speed is my personal preference. For me, it's embarrassing to be overtaken by a big rig truck with my car's engine already tired. I hate driving slow cars, or slowly for that matter. Who wants to shell a truckload of cash for something boring? Then again, I'm opinionated. Maybe because I have to go through the NLEX everyday.

It's more than just the aesthetics and structural integrity. Can the Carens CRDi engine survive long-term consumption of local diesel fuel, the way that the Adventure's 4D56 and Isuzu's 4JA1 have all these years?

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By "design", I meant "blueprint". Looks should be the last thing in the mind of a car buyer. Both the Crosswind and Adventure are obsolete "designs". But engineers of today must not be stupid producing newer engines that break down earlier than their counterparts (hey, sue them if they do). A comment, given that it's old, the Crosswind is one of the most uncofortable vehicles I've driven and ridden on.

Consider that our diesel fuel is not exactly the cleanest in the world, and bear in mind that a dealership may refuse warranty coverage for engine damage caused by using contaminated diesel, regardless of the brand. The high pressure injectors on a common rail engine are notoriously sensitive to such contamination, as well as being expensive to replace (this is why I'm still somewhat wary of the Strada's 2.5 DI-D powerplant, even if it was derived from the legendary 4D56). Where overall reliability is concerned, most will agree that the Adventure and Crosswind engines have already proven themselves in the local market, long before the Carens was even conceptualized.

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Just like the L300 FB, proven time and time again, but never offered anything new. A brand-new car in my opinion must feel brand-new. Watch Mr. Bean over and over and you'll know what I mean.

Personally I'd rather have a relatively slow engine that can assure me at least ten years of hassle-free service, than an impressively fast engine that's good for only half that period before breaking the bank in repairs.

And that wouldn't be very cost-effective IMHO, paying annually for twice the registration, twice the insurance and twice the maintenance when one vehicle can do the job.

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And finally, by "second car", I meant buying a pickup instead of the three choices given by the TS. On reliability and speed, I'd still take speed. Again, personal preference.

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And we reached the point of price. Both the Adventure and Crosswind are expensive considering they're old designs, and the Carens is too expensive considering the space. In this situation, I think the tradeoff is the typical Innova since it's performs well, our own (VVT-i) is relatively easy to maintain, and cheap as of now. Well, that's before they raise the price (see Tsikot.com). But it guzzles gas, doesn't have the low-end punch of diesels, and gets also pretty boring since you won't spend a day not seeing one. Hey, it's not among the choices! Sorry.

Oh yeah, a good weekend car is a pickup.

[Gerbo]

Ummh....

With many different vehicles in so varied the segments, one would bound to find a "right" car. And finding that "right" car really depends on what the buyers intended use, how he/she would find himself/herself in it, and of course the alloted budget.

The AUVs are still being offered because a lot of people still find these vehicles as answers to their needs. This category is a compromised choice--less refined than your compacts, less power than your SUVs, less safety features than your MPVs. But to some the large cabin and cargo bay (features limited in a sedan), low maintenance cost than your modern SUVs and MPVs would make up for its shortcomings.

That is why Adventures and Crosswinds still sells despite its limitations. These vehicles are less refined, riding comfort very average, and in most sense very plebeian. Reliability and affordability are its main traits. Good enough for a lot of people.

This is the reason why it is a good other car.

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We have 2 sedans (me and my wife's daily ride in going to work) and a pickup (for hauling heavier cargoes).

But nothing beats an AUV (a Crosswind,by the way) for trips with the family (low profile ang image, nothing ostentatious, blends with the typical Filipino crowd, not carjack prone, and fuel easy on the wallet), airport/pier utilities, and school service for the kids. Di ka pa takot ipa-drive sa iba walang high-tech gadgetries na kutingtingin at maselan na masira.

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To the TS, place the comments of others in the back burner, examine your needs and your priorities and evaluate each one of them -cabin space, riding comfort, cargo bay, speed, maintenance cost, and the image you to want project--in relation to your intended use, budget-willing.

And you do not have to get it brand new.

HTH.

[Bogeyman]

But engineers of today must not be stupid producing newer engines that break down earlier than their counterparts (hey, sue them if they do).

The thread on Toyota's D-4D woes is around here somewhere. :D Toyota claims it's already been fixed.

Both the Adventure and Crosswind are expensive considering they're old designs, and the Carens is too expensive considering the space. In this situation, I think the tradeoff is the typical Innova since it's performs well, our own (VVT-i) is relatively easy to maintain, and cheap as of now.

Right, the VVT-i Innova is a good alternative; I said as much to a friend when he was contemplating getting a diesel Innova. It has the space and the functionality without the engine issues.

My take is, common rail diesel technology holds promise for what diesel could eventually be. It's not yet the pinnacle of diesel perfection; quite frankly, far from it, simply because it's more dependent than ever on the purity of the fuel. It hasn't been around that long, so there's still much room to improve on the kinks. Between two common rail diesels, I'd be biased towards one brand or another, but if asked to choose between one CRDi model and an old-school oil burner, my preference for now would be the latter.

When I bought my diesel Adventure half a decade ago, the 4D56 had already been around long enough to be judged as among the most reliable and hardy in the industry -- from the Gen1 Pajero, L300, L200, Adventure, and even today as the basis for the Strada powerplant. Well, if Mitsubishi suddenly decides to phase out the engine tomorrow because of age, I will have no regrets whatsoever; its legacy has long been assured and affirmed on the road (and off it). That same reputation is the reason why the Adventure's still going for the price it commands, and if every Carens sold so far is able to hold up within the next five years or so, despite our local fuel, then its current asking price would be justified too.