project s for my trooper

[mdpo]

Guys,

Plan to upgrade my suspension and would very much happy to accept your various opinion. Kung alam nyo rin yung exact part no. coz i am planning to purchase it in the US if cheaper.

thanks.

[mdpo]

Guys,

Add ko lang I dont plan to use this offroad ang habol ko lang talaga is smooth ride... sobra na ata tagtag ride ko.. nahihirapan na ako hehehe...

Also if I change into mags may effect din kaya?

thanks

[kimpOy]

shocks and coils first
wait for the suspension guru ungas on the ride experience on bilstein and old man.

[Ungas]

Huh? Who me?

First and foremost, I believe the Trooper's oe suspension settings are the softest infact a-pillow-like-ride amongst the SUV class in our market today. Reconfiguring it to aftermarket brands will alter its oe configurations, 1.) which in your case void the warranty; 2.) tend to be a little more stiffer but less roll on cornering; 3.) Making it softer will have less control even on flat surfaces 'coz your ride will get bouncy in the process; 4.) Every individual has its own preferences on being too stiff nor too soft configurations.

Based from what I've heard, RIDE sells the softest shock absorbers in our market (I just forgot what brand it was Ironman or Trailmaster shocks). Though I never had first hand experience on his brand. Bilstein shocks is a lot stiffer but more driving control and stable on flat surface and cornering effect. While OME light-medium duty shocks are almost same with your oe setup. Note, a softer suspension setup will also limit your vehicle's capacity for cargo. The best thing I could think of now is to have your front torsion bars cranked to lower it a bit about half of an inch without touching the rear config. Try it for a week, then swap those front shocks first. If the setup did not work, your rear coils will have to be changed in the process and change all shock absorbers to softer or light duty. (Liquid type shocks, don't fall for the foam/gel type units it is same as the stiff gas type shocks).

Changing mags to bigger diameter will have more effect on road feel; the downside, much stiffer. While changing it to bigger size tires tend to be softer for H/T groove but more on fuel consumption.


HTH

[OTEP]

Just remember, softness is not automatically better. Tignan mo Bilsteins, they are stiffer than stock pero they ride better. What you should be after is control of unwanted body movements. Another example would be BMW's. They are more stiffly sprung than Japanese subcompacts, yet they ride better.

Right now, a stock Trooper feels like it's riding on jell-o. May mga unwanted motions in response to bumps and curves.

Aftermarket shocks can usually cure this.

[mdpo]

Teka naguluhan ata ako dun ah.. hehehe actually the problem is comparing the ride of trooper to our MPV ang layo kasi.. sobrang talbugin so I was thinking of wat to do kahit paano mabawasan ang tag tag...

My tire pressure is only 25 -28 and yet yung talbog uneven road surface ramdam na ramdam namin. Eto ba yung tinatawag na unwanted movements??

thanks

[boybi]

MPV kasi monocoque body and independent suspension on all 4 wheels. trooper body-on-frame and independent front suspension lang. mahirap ata ma achieve ang softness ng MPV with trooper. ok na yang ride ng trooper compared to sa patrol. yun nga lang, kahit maliit na bato na madaanan ng gulong ramdam agad sa trooper.

[RedHorse]

eto yong mga pinaggagawa ko sa trooper,

stock shock - yong trooper namin, oct 2000 na release, matagtag talaga ang ride, never car-like, I assume na yong mga early 2000 ibang brand na ginamit na shocks..

trail master front and rear, sarap talaga, walang bato na nararamdaman, kaya lang very poor on cornering, at very boaty pag nag park..

Rancho 9 on front, trail master on rear -- umpisa ako sa setting no. 3 with tire pressure at 32, walang tagtag pero poor on cornering, setting #5 with tire pressure at 25, ok na cornering di ako makaramdam ng bato, but I'm afraid na sumabog ang tire noticing that potholes are plenty (I seldom brake on potholes), so I returned the tire pressure at 32. Stock tires pa rin ito.

[Ungas]

Originally posted by mdpo
Teka naguluhan ata ako dun ah.. hehehe actually the problem is comparing the ride of trooper to our MPV ang layo kasi.. sobrang talbugin so I was thinking of wat to do kahit paano mabawasan ang tag tag...

My tire pressure is only 25 -28 and yet yung talbog uneven road surface ramdam na ramdam namin. Eto ba yung tinatawag na unwanted movements??

thanks

You can never compare both vehicles from different markets. MPV is car-like ride and as boybi pointed out, monocoque body. Having a chassis definitely stiffens everything from all perspective. Yung tag-tag na binabanggit mo, try placing a 10kg bag behind your Trooper to lessen.

Yung unwanted movements are body rolls, tremendous understeer, and like RedHorse post, boaty ride. As in maalon. And also difficult for some passengers with motion sickness dysfunction.

[mdpo]

REdhorse: di ka ba nagpalit ng coil springs? Pareho lang kaya ang coil spring ng 2000 trooper sa 2002? What if I upgraded to rancho 9000 on all four sides...

[wiretap_md]

Originally posted by OTEP
Right now, a stock Trooper feels like it's riding on jell-o. May mga unwanted motions in response to bumps and curves.

You said it well OTEP. Here are my observations with our Trooper 2002 before we had the suspension setup:

1.Boat-ride quality. Try doing a lane-change while at high speed. You'll feel as if the Trooper's rear "remains" in the current lane while you swerve to the opposite lane. Ayaw yata gusto mag lane change yung likod.

2. Do the brake-dive test. Brake moderate to hard and feel the front of the Trooper dive.

3. Cornering test. Sobra ang dipping, body roll, and lateral movement.

Solution? This is what we did:
1. OLD MAN EMU Front and Rear shocks
2. Rear OLD MAN EMU coil springs
3. Crank front torsion bars
4. 295/65 tires on 18-inch rims.

Result? None of the above.

[jackaroo]

I also suspect the Bstone H/T stock tires add to the harshness of the ride. Did you notice a change in ride as the tires aged? In my case, the ride got harder after a year of use. Rancho 5 shocks in front did not help. KYBs slightly softer than oem in the rear, KYBs in front, hardly any diff vs oem.
I've already changed to Dunlop grandtrek a/t, softer compared to the old bstones but ride is not car-like.
Have you considered Koni shocks? They're available in the US or singapore.

[mdpo]

wiretap: you crank the front so after changing the overall height of the vehicle increases right? di ba pag mas mahirap ang higher? mga ilang inch ang lift?

How much all in all ang na gastos mo? hmm do u have the part nos. if u dont mind? I plan to buy it in US if cheaper

[ARB]

i can give you the part nos. PM me lang if you want. but i suggest you buy it here it will cost you the same lang.

[garyq]

Originally posted by wiretap_md
You said it well OTEP. Here are my observations with our Trooper 2002 before we had the suspension setup:

1.Boat-ride quality. Try doing a lane-change while at high speed. You'll feel as if the Trooper's rear "remains" in the current lane while you swerve to the opposite lane. Ayaw yata gusto mag lane change yung likod.

2. Do the brake-dive test. Brake moderate to hard and feel the front of the Trooper dive.

3. Cornering test. Sobra ang dipping, body roll, and lateral movement.

Solution? This is what we did:
1. OLD MAN EMU Front and Rear shocks
2. Rear OLD MAN EMU coil springs
3. Crank front torsion bars
4. 295/65 tires on 18-inch rims.

Result? None of the above.

bro how much inabot itong project mong ito? ball park figure ok na. Saan binili? Tnx for sharing!

[RedHorse]

mdpo,

first, try to remove your front shocks, pushing it down should be soft, pero di dapat lulusot as in walang resistance man lang, then try to expand it, here, dapat mas malakas ang resistance (in real world, it controls the rebound ng suspension). Then compare it with a brand new shock, for starter try its replacement, if not, get a rancho with multi settings, para maka-pamili ka.

oem shock did not survive not gamitin ko pauwi sa province, 1600kms lang naman.


jackaroo,

The dunlop you got was 245 70 R 16? At pricesmart, they only have the 75 series. As am not comfortable with tire shops in West Ave., I might as well visit the shop where you bought. Thanks in advance.

[jackaroo]

RedHorse,
Yes, tire size was 245/70R16. Got mine at Autosport, along 20th ave near Boni s in cubao. Think price was P3540*. Also cheap at DKC tire center along P tuason and 18th ave. Also changed the tire valves with the tires.

I had 2 tires balanced for the front. The other two were way off balance and would need a lot of weights. Would "pressing" the mags lessen the need for too many lead weights? Who does this without damaging the mags?

[wiretap_md]

garyq / mdpo: Contact ARB for more details regarding pricing. I got it from him.

Btw, my 295/65 tires are Dunlop Grandtrek AT2. Very good ride. Don't use Falken ZIEX. Tigas sobra.

[mdpo]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RedHorse
[B]mdpo,

"first, try to remove your front shocks, pushing it down should be soft, pero di dapat lulusot as in walang resistance man lang, then try to expand it, here, dapat mas malakas ang resistance (in real world, it controls the rebound ng suspension). Then compare it with a brand new shock, for starter try its replacement, if not, get a rancho with multi settings, para maka-pamili ka.

oem shock did not survive not gamitin ko pauwi sa province, 1600kms lang naman."


what do u mean did not survive? I guess I don't have the luxury of buying replacement and replace it again if I dont like the ride... its a decision I should make and stick on it. That's is why dami ko inquiry... sorry

thanks.

:D

[mdpo]

Wiretap: What do u think should I upgrade first shocks or tires? Di kasi pwede pag sabay kasi medyo may kamahalan di kakayanin ng budget ko =).

For a starter like me since I really don't know the ride of full OME Shocks or full RAncho shocks which should I choose? The coils will follow next but if handling/ride has already improved then shocks nalangmuna =)

thanks.