Hyundai Matrix CRDi / Diesel Variant

[20vanda01]

Mods paki merge na lang po kung meron ng thread about Hyundai Matrix.

I was looking at the engine specs of the Hyundai Matrix diesel variant and I'm amazed on the engine specs. Imagine it has:
Max Output of 102 bhp, and
Max Torque of 235 Nm at 2000 rpm.

Out of curiosity an AUV say Adventure has:
Max Ouput of 84 bhp, and
Max Torque of 168 Nm at 2500 rpm.

Is the Hyundai Matrix diesel engine that powerful? If it is, then isn't it that much of a power? Figuratively, I can install a Matrix diesel engine on an AUVs.

Salamat po sa inyong mga comments.

[jaeger]

This is the reason why the Matrix diesel engine has impressive specs -> CRDI
http://worldwide.hyundai-motor.com/c...in_common.html

I test drove the CRDI Matrix M/T at Global City late last year and floored the gas pedal - it accelerates like a car already, very good power delivery and acceleration for a small displacement turbo-diesel.

I'm thinking more of putting the Matrix's CRDI engine in a Jimny and go off-roading - imagine your torque-to-weight ratio; and still remain very fuel efficient.

[eric]

naka turbo ang hyundai matrix diesel. 1.5Liter CRDi with turbo. while the mitsu adventure, toyota revo and M/T isuzu crosswinds have no turbo.

the newly facelifted Getz even offers a 110HP "high power version" of the same 1.5Li CRDi engine variant found in the matrix. the Getz weighs much lower than matrix therefore me potential ang Getz to be a pocket rocket with lots of mountain climbing muscle.

[20vanda01]

Hmmmm... probably that's one of the marketing strategy ng Hyundai to beef up their engines. Their (CRDi) technology must be very good. I could say Matrix and Getz (both CRDi variants) are overpowered which is kinda dangerous considering the size of the car.

OT...
Kaya pala 'yong Getz na nakita ko sa NLEX ang tulin, tumatakbo na ako ng 125kph tapos biglang my Getz na lumampas sa akin, di ko na napansin kung gas or diesel powered.

[XTO]

okay yan ah! nasa magkano matrix and getz? tnx

[Heretic]

okay yan ah! nasa magkano matrix and getz? tnx

678k nung bilin ko yung sa akin. 688k na ngayon kasi may keyless entry na. 628k yung Getz, may ABS/airbags na yata.

[rsnald]

even the hyundai accent has relatively impressive specs.

List Price P 748,000
Fuel / Octane Diesel
Engine 1.5 DOHC 16V inline-4
Max Output (bhp/rpm) 114 / 4000
Max Torque (Nm / rpm) 241 / 2000
Fuel System Common Rail, Turbo
Fuel Mileage (km/L) 20.40 (manufacturer's data)
Transmission 5-speed MT

ang tindi ng fuel mileage ha! make you want to consider buying one. the only thing you have to think about is...durability.. parts and aftersales support. give it 3 or 4 more years and we'll probably find out.

[Heretic]

I have a Matrix CRDi and yes, it's engine is indeed powerful. However, I have no idea as to how its horspower and torque holds up without its VGT. I could feel some "sudden" change in acceleration when I push it to 2500+ rpm so most probably, the additional hp that the turbo gives only becomes available at that range.

As far as carrying and climbing is concerned, our Matrix with 5 people insode could climb a steep portion here in our subdivision better than a neigbor's Innova, but the Matrix is lighter to begin with. It's hard to make a direct comparison between the two not unless an engine swap is made.

I wouldn't go back to gasoline-equipped compact sedans. Our 1.6 Altis just feels wimpy compared to the Matrix.

[niky]

I don't think they're dangerously overpowered... around 110hp per ton of weight is just right.

I'm thinking about the Accent now... the City was on the top of my shortlist for a second car, but the Accent looks just too good to pass up.

[eric]

quote: "As far as carrying and climbing is concerned, our Matrix with 5 people inside could climb a steep portion here in our subdivision better than a neigbor's Innova".

this is where the abundant torque of the 1.5Li CRDi comes into play. no bitin paakyat sa baguio!!!! hyundai and kia have teamed up and are bent on producing this 1.5L CRDi engine variant in very large numbers. this is the same engine powering the matrix , now the getz, the accent, and the soon-to-be released kia rio. watch out for it.

[slamtaz]

hyundai's vgt crdi diesel engine really rocks

pound for pound, i think their hp, torque & mileage is currently better than toyota, isuzu, mitsubishi, ford, nissan.

[basti08]

actually the matrix before is a DOHC 16v 1.5L CRDi variant only with 80+ hp...then they upgraded the engine to a DOHC 16v 1.5L CRDi with VGT (Variable Geometry Turbo)...malakas talaga makina nyan... almost as powerful as equivalent gas 1.5L counterparts(Vios G has 108hp, City VTEC has 110hp)

[20vanda01]

Although I don't have a plan buying one (Matrix) now, I think I need to have a test drive this weekend. My officemate is buying 1 (Matrix) over a City and Vios.

[the_champ]

any feedback sa mga owners ng matrix crdi? kaya ba ang 20km/l sa highway? ilan konsumo sa city?
may luggage space pa ba sa likod ng rear seat? i was wondering kung magkakasya pa ang isang malaking maleta
plus 5 passengers hehe or is that asking too much. motioncars has a good review for this compact hatch mpv.
only quirk mentioned is it's odd shape/looks. i want to hear some reviews from real owners.
peace bro!

[orly_andico]

even though the matrix has less HP than the 1.5G Vios, it has a mountain of torque.

i don't think the accent is a good buy, it's too darn expensive. 740k is already Altis J territory (actually more expensive than an Altis J).

the Matrix is no lightweight, at 1400kg it weighs as much as a midsize sedan (Camry, Accord). Incidentally it weighs about as much as the Tucson. The Tucson, Elantra, and Matrix are all built on the same platform. So the engine is not overpowered for it. The torque is a huge help though.

I think the Innova 2.5 low-pressure turbo puts out about 240Nm of torque so about the same as the Matrix. The Innova weighs about 200kg more than the Matrix.

[dwhittall]

I bought a Hyundai 1.5 CRDi VGT just over 4 years ago, here in Cebu, for Php700,000.

The VGT Turbo is what made it 'special' as well as the move to 4 Cylinders/16V

Dear Mr. Whittal:
First of all, thank you for your recent purchase of the Matrix CRDi and that we hope that you are enjoying your new car!
We are writing you in response to your email regarding some concerns about the technical specifications of the Matrix 1.5 CRDi. After some extensive coordination with Hyundai Motor Company, we are pleased to inform you of the appropriate specifications:
Engine
Type 1.5 CRDi Turbo Intercooler with Variable Geometry Turbine (VGT)
Fuel Type Diesel
Displacement (cc) 1493
Bore & Stroke (mm) 75 x 84.5
Compression Ratio 17.8:1
Max Power (ps/rpm) 110 /4000
Max Torque (kg-m/rpm) 24.5 /1900-2750
Cylinder Block Iron
Cylinder Head Aluminium
Fuel System Common Rail Direct Injection
Valve System DOHC 16-Valve Hydraulic Lash Adjuster (HLA)
Fuel Tank Capacity (L) 55
Given these data, we are pleased to confirm that indeed your Matrix had been equipped with a much better and more powerful CRDi engine. We deeply appreciate your taking time to email us about the disparities in specifications so that we may be able to make the necessary adjustments in our brochures.
Lastly, should you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us or Hyundai Cebu, Inc.
Thank you.
Very truly yours,

JOSE PAOLO A. SORIANO
Customer Relations Department
Hyundai Asia Resources, Inc.

Once you have at least 2000rpm shown it really moves. No need to go much above 3000rpm to change up a gear, since this is then >2,000rpm in that next gear so the great acceleration continues, up the gears.

Fuel consumption is really good also. I have the air-conditioning on all the time just about and really like using the Matrix CRDi VGT's acceleration away from the traffic lights. I still get about 320Km on 25l of fuel , driving around town.

We did round trip Cebu - Caticlan using 4 x Ferries in total. A journey of 900Km (full fuel tank on starting) with 4 adult passengers and luggage and went over the Mountain route in Negros on the way there and 120Kmph on good road stretches.

The low fuel warning lamp came on at Toledo, on the way back to Talisay City. It took 50l of fuel to fill up, so that was 18Km per liter fuel consumption.

Have no passengers/luggage/load, don't use the aircon, and drive economically, keeping to 2000rpm, and 25km/l may well be possible?

It's 110ps (that compares to the Isuzu Crosswind Turbo's 103ps, from its 66.6% increased capacity 2.5l turbo engine) and great torque, and it can leave other vehicles looking like 'slouches' in comparison.


GETZ MATRIX New MATRIX TUCSON
Type (diesel) 1.5 CRDi 1.5 CRDi 1.5 CRDi VGT 2.0 CRDi
Displacement (cc) 1,493 1,493 1,493 1,991
Bore x Stroke (mm) 83 x 92 83 X 92 83 X 92 83.0 x 92.0
Compression Ratio 17.7 17.7 17.7 17.7
Max.Power (kW) 60.3/4000 60.3/4,00 80/4,000 112 / 4,000
Max.Torque (N.m) 191 /1900 184 /1,900 235 /1,900 245 /1,800
~2500 ~2,600 ~2,600 ~2,500

My only complaint is the lack of ground clearance on the Matrix.

I am considering swapping out the Hyundai 14" wheels/Tires for 15"? Anyone done this, and noticed improvements with under steer (and slightly more ground clearance)?

[skipper5398]

I bought a Hyundai 1.5 CRDi VGT just over 4 years ago, here in Cebu, for Php700,000.

The VGT Turbo is what made it 'special' as well as the move to 4 Cylinders/16V



Once you have at least 2000rpm shown it really moves. No need to go much above 3000rpm to change up a gear, since this is then >2,000rpm in that next gear so the great acceleration continues, up the gears.

Fuel consumption is really good also. I have the air-conditioning on all the time just about and really like using the Matrix CRDi VGT's acceleration away from the traffic lights. I still get about 320Km on 25l of fuel , driving around town.

We did round trip Cebu - Caticlan using 4 x Ferries in total. A journey of 900Km (full fuel tank on starting) with 4 adult passengers and luggage and went over the Mountain route in Negros on the way there and 120Kmph on good road stretches.

The low fuel warning lamp came on at Toledo, on the way back to Talisay City. It took 50l of fuel to fill up, so that was 18Km per liter fuel consumption.

Have no passengers/luggage/load, don't use the aircon, and drive economically, keeping to 2000rpm, and 25km/l may well be possible?

It's 110ps (that compares to the Isuzu Crosswind Turbo's 103ps, from its 66.6% increased capacity 2.5l turbo engine) and great torque, and it can leave other vehicles looking like 'slouches' in comparison.


GETZ MATRIX New MATRIX TUCSON
Type (diesel) 1.5 CRDi 1.5 CRDi 1.5 CRDi VGT 2.0 CRDi
Displacement (cc) 1,493 1,493 1,493 1,991
Bore x Stroke (mm) 83 x 92 83 X 92 83 X 92 83.0 x 92.0
Compression Ratio 17.7 17.7 17.7 17.7
Max.Power (kW) 60.3/4000 60.3/4,00 80/4,000 112 / 4,000
Max.Torque (N.m) 191 /1900 184 /1,900 235 /1,900 245 /1,800
~2500 ~2,600 ~2,600 ~2,500

My only complaint is the lack of ground clearance on the Matrix.

I am considering swapping out the Hyundai 14" wheels/Tires for 15"? Anyone done this, and noticed improvements with under steer (and slightly more ground clearance)?

You are right!
The downside of the Hyundai Matrix CRDI with VGT is the ground clearance (and a bit higher cabin noise which I compared to a Ford Focus), I tried to change with a taller tire but there is a noticeable increase in noise, so I discontinued with that.

After 4 years, I replaced some small underchassis parts which cost me about P5k, never had any trouble, Engine is still superb (knock on wood!), fuel efficiency is great, I am having 45k on the Odo at the moment.

[raquino]

Want some honest opinion from matrix owners.
do you have any problems with your ride? parts? service? kalampag?
How much is a used Matrix M/T or A/T? Would it still be a good buy since this is no longer in the market? Between a Matrix and a Getz Crdi, which would you rather prefer to buy if you would get one today?

[dieselNUBI]

lahat ba ng model ng matrix may airbags?

[mikey177]

We are thinking of buying a diesel Matrix as a second vehicle to give our Sedona some must needed rest from its daily 120-km drive regimen.

We're considering the Matrix because it appears to get good mileage per liter of diesel fuel and because there are usually only going to be two people riding it daily so a bigger vehicle (another van) would seem wasteful.

One of my concerns is if the savings we achieve from buying a diesel will not be lost in the long run when the time comes to replace those high-tech and expensive CRDi and other diesel engine components. Will the cost savings from fuel still be able to offset the overhaul or repair costs when our Matrix has racked up hundreds of thousands of kilometers in mileage already?