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    They just don't build them like they used too...

    [SIZE=5]How the Honda Civic went from first to worst[/SIZE]
    BY MATT HARDIGREE AUG 1, 2011 4:20 PM
    How the Honda Civic went from first to worst
    The new 2012 Honda Civic is so mediocre even Consumer Reports, long a cheerleader for the Japanese econo-cruiser, dropped the redesigned 2012 model from its "recommended buy" list after the new model sunk to a rating of just 61 points on the magazine's 100-point scale. That means the newly-redesigned Honda Civic scored too low of a rating to even be recommended.
    Increased competition from American and Korean automakers and decreased value conspire to make the new Civic, like many of the Japanese compact models, an also-ran in a category it once dominated.

    As we noted in our 2012 Honda Civic first drive, the new model is mostly indistinguishable from the previous one and behind competitors like the Hyundai Elantra and Ford Focus in many key areas.

    The reviewers at Consumer Reports agreed, stating:

    Compared with its predecessor, the 2012 Civic has lower interior quality and suffers from a choppy ride, long stopping distances, and pronounced road noise. Vague steering impairs its agility and robs it of its fun-to-drive feel.

    The result is a drop from 78 points in their rating, which is considered "Very Good," to a "mediocre" 61 points out of 100 — and dropping it to next to last status behind the Volkswagen Jetta. Effectively going from first to worst.

    After decades of domination, it means that the Civic is no longer the car you recommend to your sister-in-law's best friend as a good bet for better-than-basic transportation.

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    It was good thing we bought an FD Civic last February. Proof that not all brand new cars are appealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sm2by View Post
    They just don't build them like they used too...

    [SIZE=5]How the Honda Civic went from first to worst[/SIZE]
    BY MATT HARDIGREE AUG 1, 2011 4:20 PM
    How the Honda Civic went from first to worst
    Damn, what's happening to Honda!!!!
    Fasten your seatbelt! Or else... Driven To Thrill!

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    Its called STATE OF DECLINE. Japan is down, Korea us up!

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    Pity. I guess it's true that "every dog has its day".

    Looks like the Civic's glory days are coming to an end...Honda has to get the next few new-product intros right or the whole brand will suffer.

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    the EK is the best civic

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    Quote Originally Posted by uls View Post
    the EK is the best civic
    Those were good ones. I remember the VTi hatchback, it was one of the coolest cars from its time...

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    It's bec Honda become complacent even Toyota. Akala nila sila na pinakamaganda designs eh mga Korean made ngayon Ang nag push ng envelope when it comes to designs.

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    dagdagan pa na ang mamahal pa ng unit ng Honda hehe.

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    plus mga fanbois pa. Honda or nothing, there's Honda and the rest are taxis

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    plus mga fanbois pa. Honda or nothing, there's Honda and the rest are taxis
    Parang hindi Honda lahat ng kotse mo, shadow

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    It's bec Honda become complacent even Toyota. Akala nila sila na pinakamaganda designs eh mga Korean made ngayon Ang nag push ng envelope when it comes to designs.
    New thinking

    New possibilities...
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    It's probably too early to tell.

    Most agree that the new plastics are garbage, and that the steering is worse... BUT...

    Some reviewers have noted the following improvements:

    More legroom
    Shorter wheelbase (makes for better handling, apparently)
    Longer stroke suspension (the FD is very crashy compared to the competition because of the short stroke)
    It STILL gets terrific real world economy. (i.e.: whatever the EPA figures claim, economy is better than most competitors)

    and best of all:

    They've removed the torture device from the FD that they laughingly call "lumbar suport".

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry_Tower View Post
    New thinking

    New possibilities...
    OT:
    Sorry, can't help but notice... Uhmm... Hyundai Fanboi? :D:D:D

    Joke! Peace tau sir.

    I own a Hyundai FYI

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahalay View Post
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    Sorry, can't help but notice... Uhmm... Hyundai Fanboi? :D:D:D

    Joke! Peace tau sir.

    I own a Hyundai FYI
    Maka-Mitsubishi yan

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    kulang lang naman sa pagiicip ang naniniwala sa honda prestige e

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    consumer report VS motor trend
    consumer report VS endmunds.com

    both motor trend and edmunds.com are saying otherwise. i use both to get information before buying cars; so far whatever they said were true. moreso, these two dot com sites are dedicated sites specifically for cars. motor trend offers a long term tests for each car they review, hence you will get the proper information; (read: long term ownership).

    finally, how many hyundai and kia cars 10 years or older do you see on the road? nothing bad on these two cars, but i will consider them if i can find their cars still running ok after a decade or so. don't get me wrong, honda started on the same footing as hyundai and kia several decades ago. honda is the laughing stock in the US market until their cars proved themselves reliable enough to last 2 generations of car model.

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    Too much City crap...

    Honda at crossroads as Civic panned, Hyundai looms - Business - GMA News Online - Latest Philippine News



    ^FUGLY! Looks like a picasso jigsaw puzzle...





    TOKYO/DETROIT — When Honda Motor's 2012 Civic debuted at the New York auto show in April, critics universally panned its cheap, hard-plastic interior.

    It was a discouraging result for a car that accounts for a fifth of the more than 3 million vehicles Honda sells annually and that was supposed to fend off Hyundai Motor's Elantra in the increasingly competitive small-car segment.

    "When I saw the interior, it worried me," said Tatsuo Yoshida, a Tokyo-based auto analyst at UBS Securities.

    "Sure, the mileage was impressive. But Korean brands are upping the ante with game-changing improvements to their cars' interior. For people buying a new car for the first time, they're becoming an increasingly attractive option."

    The negative reviews were compounded this week when the influential US consumer watchdog, Consumer Reports, also gave the new Civic a thumbs-down, rating it the 11th best small sedan out of 12 in the US market.

    The influential body blasted not only the Civic's interior but also its steering, braking, cornering and "annoying" road noise.

    The poor rating, some believe, epitomizes deeper problems at Japan's No.3 automaker.

    Those problems include a view that Honda's cars are spiraling into mediocrity and threatening the brand's reputation, which was built on smart engineering and innovation with the first Civics produced in the 1970s.

    "Honda built its reputation on engineering excellence," said Bill Visnic, an analyst with Edmunds.com, a popular automotive website. "They are becoming kind of a very normal car company."

    How well the four-month-old Civic will fare remains to be seen because the March 11 earthquake in Japan has distorted supply. The model's US sales are down 10 percent so far this year.

    But if demand proves disappointing once supply constraints disappear later this year, it could threaten Honda's sales projections at a time when investors cite stiffer competition as one of the biggest risks to its performance this year.

    "We've always really liked the Civic. It's always been a top pick or close to being a top pick until recently," said David Champion, senior director of Consumer Reports' Auto Test Center.

    "(But) when you look at Honda for the past, maybe, three years, they haven't exactly been stellar," he said, adding that recent remodelings, including the Pilot SUV and Insight hybrid, have been a step back from their predecessors.

    onsultancy J.D. Power said Honda's historical popularity was due to its consistently high ranking in its closely watched Initial Quality Study (IQS) measuring durability and reliability, which it said trumped all other factors when consumers purchase a car. In this year's IQS released in June, Honda placed first among mass-market brands, while Hyundai fell below the industry average.

    But in another key study measuring satisfaction with a vehicle's overall appeal, J.D. Power touted Hyundai as the most improved brand and placed Honda fourth from the bottom, tying Nissan just below Toyota.

    "It's great news for Hyundai," J.D. Power's director of automotive research, Raffi Festekjian, said. "Reliability is important. But you know what? You still need to make a vehicle that is appealing, fun to drive, and comfortable to sit in."

    That, critics and consumers say, is where the Civic flops.

    "The styling leaves much to be desired... and looks bland and generic next to the styling leaders like the Elantra," one reader wrote about the Civic on Consumer Reports' website. "As a long-time Honda owner, I am really sad that Honda... seems to be doing nothing noteworthy for several years now."

    Consumer Reports itself spared few punches.

    "The problems that really hurt the Civic's score run deeper and they showed up at our test track. Stopping distances are long. The steering is lightly weighted and comes up short on feedback. Body lean appears early in the corners. The ride is marred by frequent short pitches. And road noise still remains an annoying companion."

    Honda's top engineer, Yoshiharu Yamamoto, defended the Civic, including its interior, but conceded it could be better.

    "In the past, the US Big Three lost out to us and their position in the market diminished," Yamamoto told Reuters. "We're going to be in that same position if we're not careful (against the Koreans). We can't let that happen."

    Analysts said it wasn't too late for Honda to redeem itself. The next Accord model, expected to debut around this time next year, should show a significant jump in fuel economy as Honda mounts a new generation of engines and transmissions. Honda will also have the benefit of lessons learned from the latest Civic.

    "If they can achieve the same perceived quality and luxuriousness as Hyundai, I think they can win because they've still got the stronger brand," said UBS's Yoshida.

    "But they have to make sure they conquer new customers. Otherwise, they risk going the way of Buick and Oldsmobile, which ended up with only ageing customers who remembered the brands' past glory." — Reuters

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    Too much of the futuristic crap. Though it's a nice innovation, it doesn't quite play well with the overall "theme" of the car.

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    Mukhang napirat na palaka eh. Tapos wala pang standard fogs.
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