How to check if the km reading is tampered or not (odometer yta yu)

[autophobia]

Good day to ALL!

Need some advise because im planning to buy an HONDA SIR. Marami kasi sa mga ads/post are showing " Not tampered/adjusted" yun kilometer reading/odometer readings.....

Gusto ko lng itanong sa inyo/experts kung paano malalaman kung tampered? Any signs para malaman yun? Paano ba ginagawa yun? Any checklists/reminders na pwede pag basehan.

I would appreciate your comments/concerns/suggestions.

Many thanks

[ans_lim168]

My hint would be to check the steering wheel handle, the rubber pedals on the brakes and clutch, normally, if the odometer is low I see if these parts are already worn out. Lets wait for other tips.

[oj88]

If it was casa-maintained, there would be records of all PMS done on that car along with the odo reading taken from each session.

[autophobia]

Good day to ALL!

Thank you very much for the comments/reply/suggetsion. It was much appreciated.

Usually the Honda SIR's (1999 & 2000 models) has been 7-8 years of age. So generally napalitan na yun mga breaks, belts, suspensions. Most SIR's have many upgrades from their previous owners to have more aggresive/porma looks. Maganda kasi i modify/upgrades due to availability of parts.

Realistic po ba na may 40,000 - 50,000 kms for na SIR? Ano po ang average KMS/odometer reading ng isang SIR 99 or 2000 model (approximate idea lng mga peeps)

Usually mga missing screws, scratches, mis alignment sa guage ang naiisip ko para madetect kung tampered yun odometer/KM readings? Please add more if you have any idea? or cann add more signs of odometer tampering.

Dami kasi nag po-post na claiming that their car are less than 50,000 km travel. Swertehan din kasi makahanap ng very low mileage na cars with good running engines.

More outputs & suggestions from everyone regarding the above subject will help buyers/sellers so they can be informed accordingly

Many thanks

[leonleon]

If the odometer is the analog version, a tampered one usually exhibits some misaligned numbers due to the tampering.

Your best bet is to take it to a trusted mechanic to find out if the odometer reading is consistent with the car's wear and tear.

[afrasay]

check the seats, see if they are worned out and feel if they still have firm supports. feel the brake rotor disc if it is worn out, raised outer edges. and as already mentioned the steering wheel and shift knobs. if may casa record look for the last casa checkup and km reading, well hopefully this was made before the tampering.

[oj88]

In addition to what has been suggested above, also do some background investigation. Interview the previous owner about how the car was used on a daily basis. Particularly, where does it go and how often.

If say, the previous owner used it for his daily commute between Q.C and Makati (say, 10km one way), that'll give you an average of 20km a day.

Working with 20km as an example...

20km/day x 5 days/week x 50 weeks/year = 5,000km/year x 8 years = 40,000km, give or take.

[junarsl]

one usual hint is, pag mukhang laspag na yung loob ng kotse pero low mileage cya. it means tampered, pag sinilip mo yung makina, mukha cyang diesel engine ng pampasaherong jeep, tapos low mileage, huwag mong bilhin, dahil tampered nadn un, the usual mileage for a year ng kotse is 8,000-10,000km per year. to really make sure about the mileage, service history booklet would be the best ans. merong detailed change oil dates un. usually pag low mileage ang kotse, dapat maganda hitsura sa loob at sa engine bay, dahil sa hindi gamit ng todo, it means ndi laspag ang kotse at inalagaan cya.

[OldSchoolHack]

Hindi ba based sa specified tire size yung odometer? Or will it be the same reading regardless of tire size? The speedometer works on the specified tire size, a tire with larger diameter will read lower than the actual speed and a tire with a smaller diameter will read higher. And the difference would not be significant short term but when viewed on the life of the car, it could count a lot.

Example a car specified for a tire of 185/55/R15 and then you use a 185/60/R15 will have a speedometer reading 2.5 to 5 percent less. Thus at 80kph it would read 76-78 kph. Wont the odometer also read less?

[autophobia]

Hi oldschoolshack.

Just giving some comments/reply with your querries regarding the relationship between tire size (bigger/smaller) & the odometer reading.

I believe that the odometer has a series of gears & teeths that make the odometer sytem to work. This sytem is govern by the mere fact na umiikot yun gulong so iikot din yun numbers sa odometer. Sa pagkakaalam ko ay may kinalaman sya sa 1 full ikot ng gulong thus it is directly proportional sa revolution (ikot) ng gulong.

Yun idea mo sa baba ay okay din (using the speed as a reference) however sana nag reference k lng sa distance lng....

Kasi yun speed is in terms of time while odometer is for distance measurement lng.

Pero the above comments may still be untrue (di rin me sure) anybody can correct my opinion.

Peace to all

Wala pa dyan nagbebenta ng SIR.....????

[oj88]

^ Pareho lang yun... Kung ilan ang % deviation sa speed, yun din ang deviation sa travelled distance.

But personally, I don't think 2.5 to 5% of error would matter that much to a buyer. For a car that has an odo reading of 80,000 km, the error is just around +/- 4,000 Km.

Instead of owning the problem of determining if the odometer reading is true, why not pass the burden of proof to the seller. Make HIM prove that the odometer reading is true and not tampered with. Again, only proper documentation when he had the car undergo regular PMS will show you if he's telling the truth or not.

[kintosh]

^ Pareho lang yun... Kung ilan ang % deviation sa speed, yun din ang deviation sa travelled distance.

Again, only proper documentation when he had the car undergo regular PMS will show you if he's telling the truth or not.

Sir medyo OT, di kasi ako familiar sa mga terminologies sa mga kotse, ano po ung PMS?

And when we say CASA, eto po ba ung mismong SHOP tapos dun pinacheck ung car regularly? Can I call any legit car mechanic shop a CASA (same service and procedures just like the authorized mechanics)?

Thanks!

[mey0r]

PMS - preventive maintenance schedule

[oj88]

Sir medyo OT, di kasi ako familiar sa mga terminologies sa mga kotse, ano po ung PMS?

And when we say CASA, eto po ba ung mismong SHOP tapos dun pinacheck ung car regularly? Can I call any legit car mechanic shop a CASA (same service and procedures just like the authorized mechanics)?

Thanks!

PMS=Preventive Maintenance Service
Casa is the term used to describe the car dealers (ie. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc.)

If for instance, a Honda casa maintained the car, it will have historical records for everything that has been done/fixed and parts replaced. And it is SOP that they get the odometer reading as part of the checklist of things to be done whenever the owner have it serviced.

If you have access to this record, you can pretty much get a trend of how many kilometers the car traveled within a specific amount of time. Then you'll know if the odometer has been tampered with.

[OldSchoolHack]

I agree checking the maintenance record of a car. How reliable would these be after a while? Example car is 1999 pa. Reliable kaya records ng Honda? Pwede kaya gawing reference sa condition nito?

Marami kasi pasaway na nagbenta ng 2nd hand. Mas mabuti talaga kung kalilala mo or bago na lang ang bilhin mo.

[voltscastillo]

the 2nd hand car market is littered with cars who have 50T mileage. these cars came out in 99 to 01. i've bought a couple of civics myself with 50T mileage, one is a 96, the other is a 99, around last year.

the 96 had a really bad, smelly interior. the auto box jerked like crazy and the engine seemed and sounded really worn. but since the paint was excellent and still looked new, my mom and i took the chance. we were wrong. the car was a goddamned money pit. it was impossible that car had only 50T mileage. it ran too badly to be a low mileage 96 vehicle.

the 99, on the other hand, ran excellent, interior looked and smelled like new, or something that hasn't been used regularly. that car was a good buy.

the point is, chambahan din. either an abnormally large number of people are selling their cars at the 50T km mark, or buy and sellers are now clocking the vehicles. not all, but i've seen most of the cars i've canvassed have mileages with 50T or below. i saw one or two with 70T or 100T (bit more normal for a car that age), but those were private sellers.

[willvill]

The net says digital odometer was devised to stop tampering of the mechanical odometer. However, it became easier for some crooks to tamper.

It is just like attaching a laptop to the ecu that controls the odometer. So the dashboard will be opened. That's where to look for signs like missing screws, scratches, asterisks om the display.

Lowering of the odometer will obviously give better pricing to the dealer. This is a 2 billion dollar scam in the US....a crime.

I wonder what the authorities or LTO doing about tampering in the Philippines.

[kintosh]

PMS=Preventive Maintenance Service
Casa is the term used to describe the car dealers (ie. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, etc.)

If for instance, a Honda casa maintained the car, it will have historical records for everything that has been done/fixed and parts replaced. And it is SOP that they get the odometer reading as part of the checklist of things to be done whenever the owner have it serviced.

If you have access to this record, you can pretty much get a trend of how many kilometers the car traveled within a specific amount of time. Then you'll know if the odometer has been tampered with.

Astig! Thanks for the info!

[Memphis Raines]

Actually, with Civics the whole gauge cluster can be replaced with a low mileage one so it can also be deceiving.

Surplus gauges abound.

[XTO]

Very few owner preferred for casa service until the time they sold the car so it’s really difficult to know the real mileage esp when you’re buying it na from the car exchange/agent/dealer. Casa record is definitely a plus but not a guarantee. With casa service record doesn’t mean it’s not abused or been wrecked so you need yourself and expert’s help to find out.

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