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  1. Join Date
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    Una sa lahat biased po ako dito, kasi ayokong ma-delay ung lakad namin.

    Here is the situation. Nag-arkila kami ng jeep para sa outing namin. Tapos may kukunin kaming jug ng tubig sa bahay ng isa sa kasama namin. We were driving on a national road, papakaliwa kami ng subdivision, ayun may nagpilit na motor sa kaliwa namin, sumabit sa unahan. Eh ayun semplang siya. Buti na lang hindi ganun kabilis, pero mabilis pa rin. At buti na lang walang kasalubong. Hindi ko alam ung saktong speed niya, pero to give you an idea, within 5 meters ung semplang niya mula sa unahan ng jeep. Wala naman siya noticeable injury, pero may sira yata motor niya.

    In fairness, walang signal lights ung jeep. But, hindi basta-basta lumiko ung jeep, nag full stop pa bago magleft turn.

    Now sino ba ang mali?

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    I see motorcycles who do that all that time. tsk tsk

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    parang mas at fault yung jeep. bakit walang signal lights?? how will the motorcycle rider know the intention of the jeep to turn left. baka inisip niya na either nagaabang ng pasahero yung jeep or naliligaw. i often overtake jeepneys na "nangingitlog" sa kalsada. the driver of the jeepney should have at least wave his hand first to show the intention to turn left so other motorists would give way. otherwise talagang mag-oovertake ang ibang sasakyan sa jeep niyo.

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    both mali. walang signal ang jeep and ang motor nagpipilit sumiksik parang (t***) yan ang nakakainis sa mga nakamotor.

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    #5
    From the little and vague information shared by the TS, both are clearly at fault here.

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    Saan ba naka-pwesto yung jeep prior to turning left? Kung nasa gitna yan ng kalsada, kahit naka-full stop pa yan, hindi malinaw na paliko pala sa kaliwa kasi walang working signal lights. That in itself is a violation, carrying a fine of P150 as per LTO. Ni hindi man lang yata sumenyas yung driver niyo na kakaliwa pala siya, knowing na hindi gumagana yung signal lights niya.

    Plus we all know how reckless many motorcycle riders can be in their road habits, and you have a recipe for disaster.

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    wow ang sarap naman ng reciping yan yum yum

    malamang ingredient nyan :

    1 idiot + 1 moron = disasaster

    hehe


    jeep ako! tama parang nangingitlog sa daan nagiisip pa. di mo malaman kng kakaliwa o kakanan wla pang signal tpos pag oovertakan mo naman biglang haharurot sarap sapukin!

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    Di naman sa pinagtatanggol ko ung jeepney, (pero biased pa rin ako hehe),

    Pero ilang motor kaya na may working signal lights ang gumagamit nito pagliliko at magpapalit ng lane?

    I'm pretty sure na kita na nung naka-motor ung gulong ng jeep, na good enough clue para malaman kung liliko o hindi ung jeep.

    Sakto kasi talaga, paliko na talaga ung jeep, papunta na ng kabilang lane, nung biglang sumulpot ung motor. Masyado kasing aggressive ung naka-motor, isa pa, mejo ma-traffic, hindi niya yata naisip na mag-ingat. Palagay ko, nasa kabilang lane na talaga un, pinilit niya lang talaga na malampasan ung jeep.

    Isa pa, palagay ko lang, kahit mag hand signal pa ung jeepney driver, hindi ito papansinin/mapapansin ng naka-motor kasi concentrate siya sa pagpilit makalagpas ng motor niya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonBlaire View Post
    Isa pa, palagay ko lang, kahit mag hand signal pa ung jeepney driver, hindi ito papansinin/mapapansin ng naka-motor kasi concentrate siya sa pagpilit makalagpas ng motor niya.
    That's no excuse NOT to use hand signals, even moreso since wala palang working signal lights yung jeep. It's for his own safety also, not just for other motorists. At least masasabi niyang hindi siya nagkulang, lalo na pag nagkasumbungan sa pulis at nakita ng mga witnesses na nag-hand signal naman pala siya to warn the motorcycle rider. Otherwise, they are both at fault.

    Maraming motorista ang hindi pumapansin sa turn signals ko, but that doesn't stop me from using them every time I need to make a turn or merge in traffic.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 29th, 2008 at 08:56 PM.

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    mukang hindi talaga nagka intindihan ito ... kaya nagkaganyan....


    tingin ko din.... parehas silang may kamalian. Sana man lamang din ay nag honk man lang yung motor .. para alam ng jeep na me dumarating.

    dun sa jeep, sana naman eh nag hand signal man lang para naman alam din ng nasa likod na liliko sya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonBlaire View Post
    Di naman sa pinagtatanggol ko ung jeepney, (pero biased pa rin ako hehe),

    Pero ilang motor kaya na may working signal lights ang gumagamit nito pagliliko at magpapalit ng lane?

    I'm pretty sure na kita na nung naka-motor ung gulong ng jeep, na good enough clue para malaman kung liliko o hindi ung jeep.

    Sakto kasi talaga, paliko na talaga ung jeep, papunta na ng kabilang lane, nung biglang sumulpot ung motor. Masyado kasing aggressive ung naka-motor, isa pa, mejo ma-traffic, hindi niya yata naisip na mag-ingat. Palagay ko, nasa kabilang lane na talaga un, pinilit niya lang talaga na malampasan ung jeep.

    Isa pa, palagay ko lang, kahit mag hand signal pa ung jeepney driver, hindi ito papansinin/mapapansin ng naka-motor kasi concentrate siya sa pagpilit makalagpas ng motor niya.
    Chief,

    You were asking earlier kung sino ang mali and yet you insist on your opinion. Better have the thread close and just take your opinion at face value.

    End of discussion and case closed

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    Kakabwisit talaga mga motor na yan, alanganin na nga makasingit pipilitin pa. Last January binangga ako ng motor habang pa-u-turn ako sa C5, nagpilit kasi sumingit sa left side ko kaya ayun pagkabig ko tumama siya sa rear left fender ko malapit sa taillight. Di talaga ako pumayag sa "pasensya na lang boss..." pinabayaran ko yung damage sa kotse ko as per estimate ng suking talyer ko (P2,000), e wala "daw" siyang dalang pera kaya pinasangla muna niya sa akin yung relo at cellphone niya, pero binalik ko din nung makabayad siya ng P2,000. Inis lang kasi ako talaga sa mga motor, kala mo kung sino sila sa kalye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireblade
    You were asking earlier kung sino ang mali and yet you insist on your opinion. Better have the thread close and just take your opinion at face value.
    Ngek. Mali ka jan bro. I am not insisting. Nakikipag-discussion lang ako sa inyo.
    Biased lang talaga ako kaya ganun.

    Pasalamat ung naka-motor at mejo luma na ung jeep, walang signal lights.

    Mejo OT about sa signal lights:
    I'll repeat my query, masasabi nyo bang maraming kayong nakikitang motor na gumagamit ng signal lights pag paliko at magpapalit ng lane? Ako talaga halos wala e. Pero ciempre jeep konti lang din. Pero ako masasabi ko na pag sa highway (except SLEX and NLEX), marami-rami din ang mga jeep na gumagamit ng signal lights (meron pa rin hindi, ung mga luma na). Motor konti pa rin. Tapos ang mejo OT.

    Panigurado meron jan na private motorist pag nasabitan ng motorcycle habang paliko na walang turn signal, e mag-a-alboroto din.

    Palibhasa two wheels lang kasi e hehe. Kung four wheels un, sa tingin nyo, magpipilit pa un? May mga nagaabang pa nga na mga sasakyan sa opposite lane e, na pasalubong. Ke-tapang talaga nung naka-motor. Take note, national road un, two vehicles per side, tapos nasa inside lane ung jeep.

    Pareng fireblade, again, hindi ako nag-i-insist ha, nagsasabi lang ako ng saloobin.

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    If you're not insisting, then you must accept the fact that both the jeep you were riding in, and the motorcycle driver, are at fault. The jeep did not signal his intentions, while the motorcycle rider insisted on passing through despite the jeep that was already stopped.

    Ron, badtrip yon pare. Nakakainit ng ulo kahit binabasa ko lang replies niyo. Hayayay...sana naayos na by now. Wag naman sana yung 200g mo ang tinamaan!

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    parehas silang mali.

    walang signal light yung jeep na dapat dahan dahan ang pagkaliwa as in mas mabagal pa sa normal turn dahil nga walang signal light.

    mali rin yung mc. sa sobrang mapilit na dapat ay maging defensive dahil maliit siya. ayun inabot niya...

    kung nagkataong na grabe yung mc rider, no choice ang nasa jeep kundi sagutin yun.... but kung may signal light sila, pwedeng abswelto dahil yung mc ang bumangga.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireblade View Post
    Chief,

    You were asking earlier kung sino ang mali and yet you insist on your opinion. Better have the thread close and just take your opinion at face value.

    End of discussion and case closed

    +10000000..mods paki close na ito!!!

    gusto lang pala makipag argue eh....

    so nonesense na kahit sabihin natin mali yun jeep eh tama pa rin sa kanya so walang mangyayari dito sa thread...

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    Jeep:

    mali ang kasi walang signal lights yung sasakyan nyo.
    mali ang jeep kung wala sya sa correct turning way. (tama ba? kapag nasa gitna ka sa lumiko ka violation unless naka go/green lights kayo.)

    Motor:

    mali sya kasi sumingit na sya kahit paliko na yung jeep.

    sa mundong ito, kung sino malaki sya mali hehehe peace

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    mas maganda kung wag kayong mag away away para kayong mga bata.

    hmmmpppp hayaan nyo lilibre ko na lang kayo sa 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    +10000000..mods paki close na ito!!!

    gusto lang pala makipag argue eh....

    so nonesense na kahit sabihin natin mali yun jeep eh tama pa rin sa kanya so walang mangyayari dito sa thread...

    There you go......

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    Quote Originally Posted by AeonBlaire View Post
    I'll repeat my query, masasabi nyo bang maraming kayong nakikitang motor na gumagamit ng signal lights pag paliko at magpapalit ng lane?
    Kaso ang issue naman is hindi yung motor; ang issue eh yung jeepney na paliko sa kaliwa, which should have signaled the intent to turn left, through signal lights or any other means. You can say that the motorcycle rider was reckless, yes, but assuming na hindi, tapos nalito lang pala siya dahil hindi malinaw kung liliko o didiretso yung jeepney na nasa harap niya, paano na? Liable na ang jeepney. It's the same thing kung four-wheeled vehicle naman ang nasa kalagayan ng motor.

    Kung susuriin mo yung salaysay mo, secondary instance na lang kasi yung pagsingit ng motor sa pagliko ng jeepney. What was the primary instance? The fact that your jeepney did not signify the intention to turn left AT ALL, because this is what emboldened the motorcycle rider to execute his maneuver in the first place.

    Personally I'm a bit picky about jeepneys (and other vehicles for that matter) not using their signal lights; if they use hand signals for turns instead, I'll grudgingly accept it, because it's valid anyway. Better than nothing at all, which is most likely what your jeepney driver did.

    Inis din naman ako sa karamihan ng mga naka-motor. But don't let your bias against motorcycles cloud your judgement in this particular instance. Ngayon, kung sadyang makulit ka talaga at naghahanap ka pa rin ng kukunsinti sa jeepney driver niyo, I suggest idaan na lang ng parehong partido sa police report para tapos na.
    Last edited by Bogeyman; April 30th, 2008 at 11:03 AM.

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