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    Hindi ko lang alam kung ang MMDA ba o ang PEDESTRIANS ang dapat mabilang sa Goon Squad.... :confused:

    The Metro Manila Development Authority will start its "wet rag" scheme against jaywalkers in cities next week, MMDA chairman Bayani Fernando said Tuesday.


    Fernando said the MMDA personnel on board eight vehicles will be deployed in Metro Manila to target undisciplined pedestrians and commuters violating the anti-jaywalking rule.


    He said the wet rags will be thrown at violators.


    Fernando said the new scheme is meant to teach commuters to use the sidewalk and wait for their rides at designated zones.


    He added that the new scheme does not need the approval of the MMDA council and the Metro Manila mayors.


    He added that the scheme does not violate human rights.


    Meanwhile, Fernando said the MMDA will coordinate with the Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board for its campaign against colorum buses and abusive drivers.

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    hahahaha... ang kulet nito sobra!!! :bwahaha:

    pwede kayang mag volunteer jan?

    dapat lang may warning muna bago sila mambato. pag hindi makinig, dun nila batuhin ng basahan!

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    gusto ko sumali bumato ng wet rag :D...ang saya saya! hehehehe

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    ok to...di naman pala mava-violate human rights eh.

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    wet rags na may tubig kanal? :evillaugh squirt gun na lang sana

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    not in favor of this.
    nagcocommute din ako during coding day. Sa Baclaran, di ko malaman kung saan tamang sakayan ng jeep. Pagdating naman sa taft, di ko naman malaman kung saan dapat bumaba. Puro kasi bakod na yung sidewalks. Pag binasa nla ko nang tubig babasain ko sila ng asido

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    Mataas tingin ko dati kay Fernando, but lately, utak pugo't butiki na sya mag-isip...

    Its pity that I am seeing another smart getting dumb... TRAPO.....

    Hey Bayani, you can do better than that!

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    I think its a violation of human rights because it make the offender suffer an indignity. The MMDA should APPREHEND and IMPOSE FINES instead.

    Hit them where it hurts more...the pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453
    I think its a violation of human rights because it make the offender suffer an indignity. The MMDA should APPREHEND and IMPOSE FINES instead.

    Hit them where it hurts more...the pocket.
    Ika nga ni BF....

    "I don't see any human rights violation here. Staying in the middle of the road and blocking traffic flow is not a right."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453
    I think its a violation of human rights because it make the offender suffer an indignity. The MMDA should APPREHEND and IMPOSE FINES instead.

    Hit them where it hurts more...the pocket.
    kulang ito... hindi ma-gets ng marami ang BAWAL MAG-JAYWALKING... siguro for the short term eto munang rag throwing para naiintindihan talaga...

    Dapat lang talaga mahiya ang taong nag-jaywalk. Nakakainis lalo na yung meron overpass tapos dun pa sa kalsada sa ilalim mismo tumatawid... lintik naman talaga!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RafRaf
    kulang ito... hindi ma-gets ng marami ang BAWAL MAG-JAYWALKING... siguro for the short term eto munang rag throwing para naiintindihan talaga...

    Dapat lang talaga mahiya ang taong nag-jaywalk. Nakakainis lalo na yung meron overpass tapos dun pa sa kalsada sa ilalim mismo tumatawid... lintik naman talaga!
    I agree with you that nakakainis talaga ang jaywalkers kasi wala sila sa lugar kung tumawid at sagabal sa motorista. But, I'm only looking at it from the point of legality. Walang existing ordinance which gives the MMDA the power to impose this kind of punishment on pedestrians. If you look at the nature of police power as it is exercised by the state or its agencies, they are either to apprehend and detain, seize and confiscate or impose fines.

    What foresee is that i-iwas or i-ilag lang ang mga jaywalker dun sa wet rag. But, if you throw them in jail overnight and impose a huge fine (say P5,000/violation) with subsidiary imprisonment if unable to pay, talagang magtatanda yang mga yan. The only way they can get out is by paying the fine, and even then, kung weekend or gabi at walang office ang government, that's another night in the slammer. :evillaugh

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    i would like to see this happen for the pure comedy value alone :bwahaha:

    baka mamaya, wee-wee na ung pampabasa nung rags ha :evillaugh

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    According to some Metro Manila mayors, they will arrest those MMDA personnel caught throwing wet rags at pedestrians. That's fine. But, they should also apprehend the jaywalking pedestrian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453
    According to some Metro Manila mayors, they will arrest those MMDA personnel caught throwing wet rags at pedestrians. That's fine. But, they should also apprehend the jaywalking pedestrian.
    Makati and Pasay City officials said they would arrest MMDA personnel who would use the wet rags. Herminigildo San Miguel, director of the city's Department of Public Safety, warned that the MMDA risks facing the public's ire and a deluge of lawsuits for violating human rights.

    Pasay Mayor Peewee Trinidad added the MMDA should coordinate with the local government before doing anything that would directly affect its constituents.

    "What he is proposing is inhuman and embarrassing," said Mandaluyong Mayor Boyet Gonzales, adding that there are other ways to make people follow the rules, like the city's own ordinance on jaywalking, which is similar to that of Caloocan's.

    Caloocan City Mayor Enrico Echiverri added that the plan was "disrespectful."

    On the other hand, Valenzuela Mayor Sherwin Gatchalian said clearing sidewalks as a preventive measure was a better approach.

    "We will not adopt that policy here," said Manila Mayor Lito Atienza, who had always maintained that the MMDA "cannot legislate." The police should instead strictly implement city ordinances on traffic and public order, including local laws on jaywalking, vagrancy and road obstruction, he said.

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    Mukhang wala na nga silang magawa...

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    This only shows na Matigas Talaga Ulo ng mga Pinoy!

    Pero bakit pag nasa ibang bansa tayo super bait natin?

    Narining ko kaninang morning sa radio ang interview ni Korina kay Bayani, the concept ng wet rag na ito ay hindi naman ibabato, its in form of mahabang bandera or streamers na binasa ito yung gagawin nilang pang taboy sa mga makukulit na pedestrian, kung ayaw mong mabasa tatabi ka pero kung matigas ulo mo siguradong basa ka....

    Dun naman sa mga Mayors na mahilig magpuputak dapat tumulong silang gawan ng solusyon ang problemang ito, nagpapahinog lang sila sa pansitan eh..... Super dami ng ordinansa nila pagdating naman sa implementasyon naku wala din.... haayyyy buhay pinoy....

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    Atienza: Problema ang solong desisyon ng MMDA

    Sa panayam ng DZMM nitong Martes, inihayag ni Alkalde Joselito Atienza ng Maynila na problema ng Metro Manila Mayor's League ang pagdedesisyon nang solo ng Metropolitan Manila Development Authority at ni Chairman Bayani Fernando. Aniya, dapat munang pag-aralan ng MMDA at ni Fernando ang ipatutupad na mga utos at isangguni ito sa mga alkalde.


    DZMM: Ano po ang masasabi n'yo sa implementasyon ng MMDA "wet rag" policy?


    Atienza: Alam n'yo, unang-una e nakakatawa tapos nakakainis. Ngayon e nagagalit na ang mga mayor dahil sa hindi nga naman tama e.


    Walang batas na ipinapatupad [sa wet rag policy] at sa kabila noon e ang naibibigay nating mensahe sa mga tao e parang naglalaro-laro lang ang gobyerno. E parang rather than discipline ang makukuha natin dito e mawawalan ng disiplina ang mga tao.


    Kailangang ipatupad ang batas.


    Kaya nagkakaisa kami rito, a greater majority of the mayors, na kailangang ipatupad ang batas. Ito naman ang ginagawa natin ngayon, pinagtatrabaho natin ang pulis, enforcement of ordinance against jaywalking and all other illegalities in the streets, illegal structures, illegal parking, illegal terminals, ang dapat asikasuhin.


    'Wag tayong maglaro-laro sa kalsada dahil parang laro ang nangyayari dito, wet rag, basaan, parang patintero e. Paglampas nila, babalik ang mga tao sa kalye, nagtatawanan lang.


    They're taking the law lightly.


    You're going to wonder, bakit itong MMDA na supposed to be governing council ng buong Metro Manila at supposed to be ang mayors e nasa loob nitong MMDA, parang iba ang kilos ng pamunuan, iba ang pananaw at gusto ng mga mayor. Ito ay ehemplo rin ng hindi organisado at nagkakawatak-watak na MMDA?


    I believe that is precisely the picture. Iyan nga ang ikinalulungkot ng mayors. Sabi nga ng mga mayor, gawa nang gawa ng batas e hindi naman ayon sa ating pinagkakaisahan, hindi man lang pinag-uusapan 'yan.


    Isa 'yon sa mga issue na talagang nabibilad ngayon. The MMDA e talagang hindi epektibo in the sense that sang-ayon at hindi kasali ang mga mayor sa mga desisyon na ginagawa ni Chairman Fernando for himself, with himself, in himself. Para bang nag-iisa siya.


    So may problema talaga.


    Sabi ng ilang mayors and I will quote them: "Alam n'yo we are all elected local officials, we are accountable to the people. Itong si Chairman Fernando, e parang accountability kaya they can afford to play, to take things lightly."


    Rebyuhin natin 'yung lahat ng mga programa niya, lahat nagpapatawa e, yung pag-aarmas ng gulok sa mga traffic aide, yung kanyang mga urinal na nag-iihi sa kalsada, babaho ang kalsada.


    Heto na naman, mayroon na namang bago, gagamit daw ng paintballs. Naku e, may gaganti diyan. Baka magkaroon tayo ng urban warfare dito.


    Ano po ba ang solusyon natin?


    Respect the law, ang pulis magtrabaho. Kami e itinutulak namin ang pulis na magtrabaho, pansinin yung mga ordinance ng lungsod, jaywalking is an ordinance, kailangan yan ipinatutupadMinsan kasi yung mga pulis natin akala nila anti-crime lang sila, anti-terrorist. But what we have to do is the police has to work in the streets, and posted 24 hours a day, against illegal parking, illegal structures.


    Only through a very diligent enforcement of the law will people understand what this is all about. [Without this] maglalaro na lang tayo sa kalsada, pagmumulan pa at sigurado e gulo ang idudulot niyan.


    Ano naman po ang solusyon para maging united ang MMDA council sa pagbuo ng mga polisiya na katanggap-tanggap at least sa mayorya ng konseho para 'pag nag-implement ang ulo, 'yung mga mayor susunod?


    Chairman Fernando has to accept the reality. Yung mandate niya under the law is to plan the development of Metro Manila. Planning agency yan e, Metro Manila Development Authority.


    Hindi naman sila enforcement e. Wala naman silang karapatang gumawa ng batas. They cannot make laws and they cannot implement laws that they are preparing.


    So kailangang magmula ang pagbabago kay Chairman Fernando to realize that he has to coordinate with the Metro mayor's council composed of all the mayors. That is the law.


    Hindi po naman ito kagustuhan ng mayors e. Ito'y isinasaad ng batas. At itong mandate niya emanates from the same law.


    Ang hirap kapag siya ang gumagawa ng batas, siya na ang nagpapatupad ng batas, siya na rin ang judge, executioner and everything.


    E kaya nandito tayo ngayon. Mayors do not agree with his supposed interpretation of the law which he never took up with the Metro mayor's council.


    Dapat dito manghimasok na rito ang Pangulong Arroyo bilang ina ng bayan?


    As much as ayoko sanang isali ang ating Pangulo sa usapan, e since he is an appointee of the President, the President has to mellow him down.


    Siguro, sabihin sa kanya: "Chairman, pag-aralan mo muna and stick to the law." That is exactly the advise I'm giving him.


    Chairman Fernando, study the law, let's follow the law, hindi tayo maliligaw diyan.

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    MMDA chief declared 'persona non grata' in Manila

    Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) chief Bayani Fernando will be declared persona non grata in Manila, Mayor Lito Atienza said on Thursday.


    “He’s not welcome in Manila and we will not cooperate with his endeavors,” Atienza told DZMM.


    Atienza said the matter will be formally discussed by the city council.


    The decision arose from conflicts on proposed city measures and traffic regulations, most recently the “wet flag scheme” implemented by the MMDA this week.


    Atienza strongly opposed the scheme from being implemented in the city. He said the method of punishment gives the wrong message regarding respect for the law.


    “They can do it, but not in Manila,” he said. “We gave our police orders to arrest anyone who uses the scheme within the city.”


    He also accused the MMDA chief of wanting to bypass standard operating procedures regarding city ordinances.


    “Ang gusto niya ay siya ang lawmaking, siya ang, siya ang enforcer, siya ang lahat (He wants to be in charge of lawmaking, of implementation, of everything), ” Atienza said of Fernando.


    He added they have suggested to Fernando in previous meetings to “follow the regulations and objectives of lawmaking,” but to no avail.


    “I’ve totally given up on this person,” he said.


    He added that other mayors also think that Fernando’s proposals have lessened the credibility of the government.


    “Maybe he should avoid entering Manila, Mayor Peewee Trinidad told him to keep out of Pasay, Mayor Jejomar Binay also told him not to go to Makati, also Mayor Boyet Gonzales of Mandaluyong,” Atienza added.


    Under the “wet flag scheme,” jaywalkers would be hit by wet flags attached to poles on MMDA's service vehicles and trucks.


    The MMDA said it resorted to implement the scheme to punish undisciplined pedestrians.


    On the first day of its implementation, Fernando said the new concept has brought awareness to pedestrians regarding traffic rules and regulations.


    abs-cbnNEWS.com/DZMM

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    why not just drench them with water?

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    ok naman yung dati...

    pay P100...then sing the national anthem or kulong sa steel cage for 30mins.

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