Help! Pajero bigla nawalan ng hatak.

[Edvic]

Mga Sir, i need an advice at idea bago ko dalhin sa mekaniko ang oto ko. Kaninang umaga papasok sa school around 7am, after mga 2km pagka alis ng bahay bigla nawalan ng hatak, naka On pa din ang makina pero tinatapakan ko gas pedal pero hindi nagrerev , so tumabi muna ako, binomba ko ng binomba yung gas pedal ayun nagrerev na pero mahina pa din, may narinig akong "tik tik tik" na sound from the engine bay at kita ko na ang kapal ng white smoke na binubuga, nirev ko pa din ng ni rev hanggang sa maging normal na. after nun itinakbo ko na in high speed, "italian tune up" kung tawagin. Ayun nag ok na.

So ano kaya problema dito sa oto ko? Nag Change oil ako last December 30, 2013 at palit na din ng Fuel filter. A day before nangyari ito nag pa full tank ako Shell V Power Diesel.

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Engine: 4d56 turbo


Sana po matulungan niyo po ako.

[vinj]

Bad load of fuel? Check your fuel filter and system first.

Next step if the fuel system is okay, is to have your engine compression tested, then have a mechanic check the turbo as well if it's still functioning well. The timing belt has been replaced recently also (as in the last 60,000kms?).

[miked]

baka may aswang (tik tik) na humigop ng powers ng makina? hehehe

white smoke ay senyales usually ng low compression (incomplete combustion ng diesel), coolant intrusion sa combustion chamber, etc. pero tingin ko hinangin yan or nagkaroon ng water contamination. yung "tik tik" sound kung di ako nagkamali e yung mga injector nozzles nagcocollide sa housing ng injector dahil sa absence ng fuel (hangin).....try mo i drain yung fuel filter then bleed the fuel system.

[miked]

2x post......

[miked]

regular mo bang ginagamit yang pajero mo? sabi mo nagpalit ka fuel filter last time. kasali din ba yung priming pump tsaka yung drain cock?

kung sakali mangyari uli yan, suspect is air intrusion sa fuel system. hindi siguro maganda sealing nung priming pump head at yung filter.

[Edvic]

Bad load of fuel? Check your fuel filter and system first.

Next step if the fuel system is okay, is to have your engine compression tested, then have a mechanic check the turbo as well if it's still functioning well. The timing belt has been replaced recently also (as in the last 60,000kms?).

bad fuel? maari din. baka may halong tubig. kakapalit ko last dec. 30 2013 ng fuel filter. Bago din ang timing belt.

[Pajd]

Fuel knock? "ta ka tak"? sound sa engine bay..tapos biglang may lalabas na makapal na white smoke? sa nozzle yan sir.

[Edvic]

regular mo bang ginagamit yang pajero mo? sabi mo nagpalit ka fuel filter last time. kasali din ba yung priming pump tsaka yung drain cock?

kung sakali mangyari uli yan, suspect is air intrusion sa fuel system. hindi siguro maganda sealing nung priming pump head at yung filter.

Lagi ko pong gamit ito. Opo nagpalit ako last Dec. 30 2013, fuel filter (VIC brand) lang po pinaltan hindi kasama ang priming pump. Nagulat nga po ako nung white smoke binubuga, eh hindi naman mausok ito pwera na lng pag binibirit.

Nagamit ko na uli kanina. hindi na umulit yung nangyari kahapon.

[Edvic]

Fuel knock? "ta ka tak"? sound sa engine bay..tapos biglang may lalabas na makapal na white smoke? sa nozzle yan sir.

opo ganun nga po yung, nag "tak tak o "tik tik" pag binomba ang gas pedal. Ang alam ko po eh last 2004 pa huling pina calibrate ang injector nito.

[Pajd]

opo ganun nga po yung, nag "tak tak o "tik tik" pag binomba ang gas pedal. Ang alam ko po eh last 2004 pa huling pina calibrate ang injector nito.

malamang sir, nahaluan ng tubig sa pinag kargahan nyo na diesel.. na stack up ang nozzle. itakbo nyo lang at mawawala rin yan.

[Leo_Arz]

Pag me white smoke di nasunog maayos yung fuel mo. Palit mo fuel at air filter. Sa quality ng fuel mas malinis ang shell, 2nd caltex 3rd petron o total. Yung Phoenix mataas blending ng ethanol... Try mo lagyan 2T mas maganda sunog ng fuel at improve hatak.


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[Edvic]

malamang sir, nahaluan ng tubig sa pinag kargahan nyo na diesel.. na stack up ang nozzle. itakbo nyo lang at mawawala rin yan.

Grabe di na talaga safe magpa gas kung saan saan, BIG 3 yun! Bigti ang abot. hehehe. Opo itinakbo ko po ayos na ngayon.

[Edvic]

Pag me white smoke di nasunog maayos yung fuel mo. Palit mo fuel at air filter. Sa quality ng fuel mas malinis ang shell, 2nd caltex 3rd petron o total. Yung Phoenix mataas blending ng ethanol... Try mo lagyan 2T mas maganda sunog ng fuel at improve hatak.


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bagong palit lang po ang fuel filter, air filter bagong linis lang, need ko po ba talaga palitan yun? nakagisnan ko na kasi na every change oil eh hinahanginan lng ng boy yung air filter.

About sa 2T , maganda nga daw nabasa ko sa kabilang thread, kinakabahan lng ako maghalo di ko alam mangyayari eh.

[miked]

Yung Phoenix mataas blending ng ethanol...
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huh?....ginagamit na ba ethanol sa biodiesel blends ngayon?

[povillo]

huh?....ginagamit na ba ethanol sa biodiesel blends ngayon?

Plant based ethanol mostly from sugarcane. imported sa Brazil at blended lang dito at 2% to 5% konti lang sa crudo.

[Leo_Arz]

huh?....ginagamit na ba ethanol sa biodiesel blends ngayon?

All our fuels have 10% blend ethanol or bioethanol.

Ethanol makes fuel cleaner, but costlier?

POSTSCRIPT By Federico D. Pascual, Jr. (The Philippine Star) | Updated April 7, 2013 - 12:00am
IT’S THE LAW: Gasoline used by motor vehicles must be pre-mixed this month with ethyl alcohol to the extent of 10 percent — unless the government again postpones the April 2013 deadline for blending.

Noting the seeming lack of notice and scant interest, we reassessed in our last Postscript the intent and effects of the Biofuels Law of 2006 (RA 9367) that mandated the addition of ethanol into motor fuel.

The law aims to cut fuel prices, reduce dependence on imported crude, shield the environment from toxic and greenhouse gases, spur countryside development, and protect food reserves and biodiversity.

Ethanol (CH3CH2OH) is produced from farm feedstock and biomass. Raw materials include sugar cane, potato and corn, and such food items that alcohol producers may tap in big volume.

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SPOTTY BENEFITS: A discussion ensued after we pointed out, without implying that RA 9367 is a bad law, that:

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• Pricing — Adding ethanol to gasoline to the extent of 10 percent has not caused a drop in pump prices of fuel. Local ethanol is more expensive: it costs P47/liter versus P30/liter of the imported variety.

• Air pollution — We still have to see local research showing that the ethanol blend has reduced pollution or measurable degradation of the atmosphere from motor vehicle exhaust.

• Countryside development — Neither have we seen data showing that production of ethanol for blending has spurred development in the countryside.

• Import substitution — Four local ethanol producers supply only 15 percent of the blending needs of oil firms, which are forced to import the shortfall. Imported crude has been simply replaced by imported ethanol.

• Farmers’ lot — Of the P47/liter price of ethanol, farmers get only around 50 centavos. The ethanol program is benefiting mainly producers and traders.

It may be too early for total impact assessment, but a review at this stage is in order as far as the law’s judicious implementation is concerned.

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INDUSTRY SIDE: Among the readers who have reacted was engineer Queenie Riva N. Rojo, executive director of the Ethanol Producers Association of the Philippines. She said among other things that:

• While we have a mandatory 10-percent blending of ethanol, Thailand is moving to 20 percent and even promoting 85 percent with incentives for both the blend and the importation of flex-fuel vehicles.

• We must compare our local ethanol price with that of gasoline, not with imported ethanol. Ethanol production is a regulated industry — its books can be opened for audit anytime. Oil companies are deregulated, and their books cannot be accessed.

• Imported ethanol is cheaper because of dumping. The excess of Thai and Brazil requirements can be sold cheap. Also, ethanol plants in Brazil are 35 years old and Thailand 12, while Philippine plants are two years old.

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FARMERS’ PAYMENT: As for the food versus fuel issue — or the balancing of the cultivation of land for crops for food or for fuel, Rojo said this is an old question that has been answered.

“This will not and cannot happen in the Philippines,” she said. “Our officials made sure by issuing the Joint Memorandum of Agreement for the implementation of the Biofuels Law which says that ethanol producers cannot use food crops such as rice and corn.”

Ethanol producers buy sugar feedstocks based on domestic price, not world market price. She said: “We process the excess — to date local domestic price of sugar is P1,300, and world export price is P750.”

Rojo added: “A bioethanol plant ensures that farmers get the premium price of sugar, it’s P550 more and it’s paid upon delivery. If they sell to sugar millers, farmers must wait to be paid, for how long they cannot say.”

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NEW PLAYER: Saying that the idea is to replace crude and gasoline with ethanol, Rojo said the Philippines is importing much of its ethanol needs, because it is still building its capacity.

Brazil, the United States and Thailand are increasing their mandated blend, she said, because they want to shift their fuel dependence to locally-produced energy alternatives.

The Philippines still needs more ethanol plants, aside from its present four, to firm up its control of the industry.

“And how do we entice investors to build when we always fear reversal of policy?” she asked. “Until now the government is yet to fulfill the law. Note that the mechanism for the oil firms to buy local first only started last April 2012.”

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GREENS AGREE: The Partido Kalikasan (Greens PH), on the other hand, agrees that with the way the Biofuels Law has been implemented, it appears to be “working for the traders and producers and not for the farmers.”

Roy Cabonegro, secretary-general of Partido Kalikasan, said it is disheartening that instead of promoting local ethanol production, “because of lack of support, our five percent and soon to be mandated 10-percent required blend will only be complied with through more ethanol imports.”

He said: “We share the call that the impact of this law on environmental targets such as improving air quality and fuel efficiency should be properly assessed. Biofuels development must not compete with food security.”

The Congress must perform its oversight function, he added, to ensure that this important green legislation is implemented as intended and serve the intended public interests for cheaper, cleaner, indigenous and pro-farmer biofuel development.

Cabonegro said their chapters in more than 200 cities and towns in 49 provinces are ready to collaborate on projects on innovative production, post-production, marketing approaches and an impact assessment of the Biofuels Law.

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RESEARCH: Access past POSTSCRIPTs at manilamail.com. Follow us via Twitter.com/*FDPascual. Send feedback to fdp333*yahoo.com


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[Pajd]

Grabe di na talaga safe magpa gas kung saan saan, BIG 3 yun! Bigti ang abot. hehehe. Opo itinakbo ko po ayos na ngayon.

Subukan nyo mag 2t sir, para ma lubricate yung nozzle.

[Leo_Arz]

bagong palit lang po ang fuel filter, air filter bagong linis lang, need ko po ba talaga palitan yun? nakagisnan ko na kasi na every change oil eh hinahanginan lng ng boy yung air filter.

About sa 2T , maganda nga daw nabasa ko sa kabilang thread, kinakabahan lng ako maghalo di ko alam mangyayari eh.

Yung 2T pag hinalo sinusunog lng yun kasama ng diesel para totally burn at mas lakas ang hatak.

At wag ka magpagas pag me nakita ka delivery tank kc pag nag unload yun me mixture pa ng tubig so pag nag pump yun me kasama tubig kc di pa nag settle down.




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[miked]

^^^sa katunayan di nyo na po kelangan sabihin yan....i've read too many research regarding biodiesels and ethanol, etc.

ang aking tanong e "ethanol sa biodiesel?" hindi "ethanol sa gasoline?"....

[miked]

Plant based ethanol mostly from sugarcane. imported sa Brazil at blended lang dito at 2% to 5% konti lang sa crudo.

alam ko po yan...bukod sa tubo e sorghum din at marami pa iba. pero sigurado po ba kayo na ethanol hinahalo sa diesel (i assume your "crudo" is your diesel)...sa gasoline ang alam ko na hinahaluan ng ethanol. diesel/biodiesel ay coconut oil and other kinds of oil. tsaka yang 5% na yan eh baka on paper pa lang yan, imo, kahit na mandated pa yan ng gobyerno.

anyway, so sorry TS as well as admins. naderail po ng konti thread mo.