Locally-manufactured aftermarket Engine Oil and Fuel Additive

[bombi08]

Klitz-8 Oil Additive, Fuel Additive for Official Certification and Investment

Good day Sirs! I'm typing this thread just to try if someone will be able to help me with this. My father has developed an engine oil additive that can be used by both automotive gasoline and diesel engines. We use a SAE 15w-40 automotive oil as base. For gasoline engines, we use a base oil recommended for it also. The product can be modified to also use synthetic base oil. As for the important question if it’s safe for the engine, we've used the product for 12 years now; on our 1967 vintage Volkswagen Bug, 3 years on the Nissan Frontier Titanium 2 we used to have, and for the 2nd oil change on our Nissan Frontier Navara 4x4MT at 6,000kms. Vehicles of our friends who bought from us include a Mitsubishi Adventure(2002), a Kia Sorento (2005) and some old model pickups and 10-wheeler trucks.

They were formerly using a "NASA Certified" oil additive with the product priced at P900+ for a 240ml content. When they got to use the one we're manufacturing, they bought again on their next oil change and claimed that it works better than the imported one.
Klitz-8 Oil Additive is currently priced at P750.00 per 1Liter and we recommend 1 Liter of it for use on engines with 5L and 7L crankcase capacity. For motorcycles with 1L capacity, we recommend 250ml of Klitz-8.
Klitz-8 does not contain PTFE/Teflon, Detergents and Chlorinated Paraffin. The additive is locally derived and organic.

We have seen beneficial results with the Oil additive during our unofficial road tests. I will not be listing the benefits because what we need are authorized lab analysis and road tests on various engines. I believe that for someone to appreciate how the product works, you should have it in your crankcase for a minimum of 5,000kms. That way, on your scheduled PMS, you can see for yourself when the oil is drained, check its consistency and compare it to your last oil change.

Klitz-8 Fuel additive is beneficial for use on gasoline and diesel engines. We developed the product 3 years ago. I won't be listing the benefits anymore because it's just our observations. All I can tell is that it made my friend smile when he stepped on gas, all the way on his 2.0 Ford Escape along D.Macapagal avenue because a 1.5 old toyota corolla MT driver stared at him when we were at the stoplight intersection. He overtook the car enroute to 120kph speed (we ran out of road at the next turn to Buendia). He said that he noticed the “immediate effect” on the engine response. But that's his own observation. Almost identical to those who have used the samples I gave to them.
Also, we tried putting 1ml of 2 of the most popular fuel additives on separate cotton balls. With 1ml of Klitz-8 on separate cotton ball also. We lit it up simultaneously, and Klitz-8 Fuel additive emitted a bluish flame with barely noticeable smoke and burned twice as longer too. The other brands emitted a very visible black smoke. This is just a crude method of testing the product and I'm just as curious at the result. I’m curious as to how it will fair regarding octane and cetane ratings. Please PM me if you want to know the brand names of the other 2 products we compared it with.
The recommended ratio is 1ml of Klitz-8 to a liter of fuel. Mixing more than the recommended ratio did not bring about engine damage in our vehicles. It’s also reasonably priced. Our road tests concluded a 15-20% increase in fuel economy on units driven a maximum of 80kph compared to the first drive using the same driving method but without additive in the fuel tank as control. But then, it's just our road tests. What we need is a chance for it to be tested by an automotive laboratory.

All these benefits are claimed by most additive manufacturers. If someone is interested to help us get the product tested for the required certificates for its commercial use on automotive engines, we are open to those wanting to invest on its manufacturing. As of now, we are just producing the product on order basis. It's not my father's day job, just more of a hobby. He doesn't have a keen business sense and we definitely don't have the financial means and connections to have it tested locally and abroad. I've gone as far as having the brand name registered at the IPO and the label designed. The product is contained in generic plastic bottles since a minimum 2 day made-to-order packaging run at the PCPC costs a couple million pesos(PCPC makes the local packaging for Mobil, Shell, Petron, etc).

I'll be happy to answer your queries on the product. I would really appreciate those who will be willing to test it on their vehicles. I don't have the resources, so I can only accommodate those who will be serious enough in helping us push through with the certifications and marketing in case you can personally attest that the products have significant beneficial effects. As I've said we've used the product for many years now, so clogged oil filters and detrimental effects on the engine is not an issue, otherwise I would just be wasting your time reading this. The Frontier Titanium 2 we used to have stayed for just 6 days at the casa before a buyer test drove it and bought it immediately. It had 38k in the odo and the engine performed better than the other 2.7 engines coming in for oil change. (That’s just according to a casa mechanic)
We’re not in the process of manufacturing the product for commercial purposes until we can have it certified. We agreed that it would be better if the product will be tested so it can be analyzed. I've been an active surfer of Tsikot.com for several months now because of the beneficial data posted by members on the threads especially the experts' opinions. I posted this thread because I'm hoping someone capable and willing to help us will be interested.

If you notice that there's not much technical automotive stuff on this read, it's because I'm no automotive expert. I'm just a 24 year-old nurse waiting for my chance to work abroad and who also happens to be car enthusiast. It's not my priority to market this product that we use ourselves. It’s just that we’ve seen the products work and sayang naman if it won't be analyzed by authorized testing. I believe that anecdotal claims of benefits simply won't do.
I'm located in Bacolod city. I've read of the tons of consumer backlash on the different kinds of oil and fuel additives. I'm aware of the previous threads debunking the claims of big-time additive companies. Also the videos on YouTube showing 3 major US brands fuel additive tested by an automotive laboratory in UK. I think it was a Fifth Gear show. The 3 brands were proven to be not that beneficial considering the costs of using it. But it's just that those who have used our products never had anything negative to say about it. So I'm thinking this is a long shot, but it still is a shot.

For Frontier Navara owners in Negros, you can test our Nav so you can compare if there's some significant performance change between using usual engine oil and fuel, to a unit with Klitz-8 oil and fuel additives. Just PM me.
For those who believe that all additives are alike and therefore does more harm than good, sorry for the long read... Good day everyone!

[v6dreamer]

Sir, your testimonial is in fact a very interesting one and Im sure glad that your father invented a good engine oil additive.

Here in the U.S are long been debated about this product(additive) that some said it works, but most of them are not buying the product testimony. The fact is they are totally believe its useless and in many cases actually detrimental to your engine.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has issued charges of false and deceptive advertising that these and many other additive manufacturers have misled consumers into believing that their products offer increased engine protection and performance when added to your motor oil. Even ZMax the latest company to be charged in a long list of companies, they even back some famous car driver in the advertisement.

DURA LUBE, the world most wonder additive in the market. They show this in the commercial using this additive into a high powered engine, then drain completely the oil out of the engine then they gun down the engine for full "one minute" in a 12,000 RPM w/o blowing the engine.

With all this additives, regardless of how appealing thier claims the FTC completely halted false and deceptive advertising by the marketers they make in their advertising. Why? Its a nutshell.

Im mean no harm or disrespect on behalf of your father, I wish him the best and only the very best that somehow that his invention can react possitively to the public. Someday if success I would tell this story to my childrens, children that this person is pilipino inventor. Good luck to you sir and your family.

[oj88]

Not a fan of additives. I follow the scheduled PMS without fail, using good oil and genuine parts. No additive can beat that, IMHO.

In other words, you pay P500 for a bottle of additive that will only give you P5 worth of improvement, if any at all. I think that's a waste of money.

This is my opinion. No offense to the OP.

[ghosthunter]

Another so-called engine additive with long winded and long worded testimonials and no proper scientific testing done to backup the claims.

Another "filipino-invented" product in a long line of so-called inventions.

Personally, I would rather just save my money than buying an engine oil additive. If I want my oil to help me save fuel, I would simply opt for a lighter grade of motor oil at my next scheduled oil change.

[redorange]

You need some scientific data other than you put it in your vehicle and don't see any bad effects. The bad thing with additives like the ones mentioned is they all end up at the bottom of your engine in the oil pan and drain out after 3K miles.

Just some points on what you posted.
-You stated that you won't say the benefits because it's just your observation so it could be the placebo effect on your observation not any actual benefit. People put CAI on their cars all the time and claim they gain huge HP and accelaration but once tested the effect is negligible. However, their butt dyno says otherwise.

-Your friend raced a 2.0L Escape against a 1.5L Corolla, went to 120km/h and felt that the additive was ther reason. The Escape can do 120km/h easy even without the additive as a matter of fact that's what most of them travel here in the US on the freeway. Another is you don't know the state of the engine of that Corolla even if it's maintained so it doesn't show anything.

-What does the burning on the cotton ball prove?

-You state that you have used it on your vehicles. Have you had the engines of these vehicles opened to see what effects it has had on the cylinder walls, pistons, piston rings, etc? Is there any sludging in the engine? How did it effect emissions on the engine?

If you really want it tested why not check with the Dept of Science and Technology to see what they can do. Personally I wouldn't just pour anything into my engine specially something that hasn't been tested properly.

[bombi08]

You need some scientific data other than you put it in your vehicle and don't see any bad effects. The bad thing with additives like the ones mentioned is they all end up at the bottom of your engine in the oil pan and drain out after 3K miles.

Just some points on what you posted.
-You stated that you won't say the benefits because it's just your observation so it could be the placebo effect on your observation not any actual benefit. People put CAI on their cars all the time and claim they gain huge HP and accelaration but once tested the effect is negligible. However, their butt dyno says otherwise.

-Your friend raced a 2.0L Escape against a 1.5L Corolla, went to 120km/h and felt that the additive was ther reason. The Escape can do 120km/h easy even without the additive as a matter of fact that's what most of them travel here in the US on the freeway. Another is you don't know the state of the engine of that Corolla even if it's maintained so it doesn't show anything.

-What does the burning on the cotton ball prove?

-You state that you have used it on your vehicles. Have you had the engines of these vehicles opened to see what effects it has had on the cylinder walls, pistons, piston rings, etc? Is there any sludging in the engine? How did it effect emissions on the engine?

If you really want it tested why not check with the Dept of Science and Technology to see what they can do. Personally I wouldn't just pour anything into my engine specially something that hasn't been tested properly.

Thanks sir redorange. Just to reply on some of the points you raised. The reason why I tried to post this thread is that so the product can be tested. It's not my profession so I'm just curious if someone can help us with the testing. If it's proven not to be of any use at all, then that's it. We're not interested at all with a product that doesn't work.

About the Escape thing Sir, my friend's point was to how the engine felt at 120kph, the response when he tapped at the accelerator. Of course any 2.0 gasoline engine can reach way beyond that speed. As to why we tried burning drops of fuel additive on cotton balls, it just shows how we lack the means in properly testing this product. We don't even know it's flash point when mixed with regular fuel.

My father had our 1967 Volkswagen overhauled by a mechanic. They were a bit surprised as to why it's cleaner than they expected it to be. No sludging as found on most old-model engines. It's used on an almost day-to-day basis. We've used the oil additive on it for more than 10 years already. We know it's not a definitive observation, and I expect everyone to be reading this post to be skeptic about all these. That's why I tried posting it in the first place. I'm just hoping an expert will be interested enough to help us with the testing. Thanks again sir redorange!

[bombi08]

Sir, your testimonial is in fact a very interesting one and Im sure glad that your father invented a good engine oil additive.

Here in the U.S are long been debated about this product(additive) that some said it works, but most of them are not buying the product testimony. The fact is they are totally believe its useless and in many cases actually detrimental to your engine.

The Federal Trade Commission (FTC) has issued charges of false and deceptive advertising that these and many other additive manufacturers have misled consumers into believing that their products offer increased engine protection and performance when added to your motor oil. Even ZMax the latest company to be charged in a long list of companies, they even back some famous car driver in the advertisement.

DURA LUBE, the world most wonder additive in the market. They show this in the commercial using this additive into a high powered engine, then drain completely the oil out of the engine then they gun down the engine for full "one minute" in a 12,000 RPM w/o blowing the engine.

With all this additives, regardless of how appealing thier claims the FTC completely halted false and deceptive advertising by the marketers they make in their advertising. Why? Its a nutshell.

Im mean no harm or disrespect on behalf of your father, I wish him the best and only the very best that somehow that his invention can react possitively to the public. Someday if success I would tell this story to my childrens, children that this person is pilipino inventor. Good luck to you sir and your family.

Many thanks Sir. We're still hoping it will be tested though. We're not just contented with the fact that our vehicles engine didn't malfunction when we applied the oil additive. The benefits I noted were just our observations.

[redorange]

Good to know that you are open to testing unlike the others that have come before you, Dingle and Khaos to name two of them. If you are really open to testing contact the govt agency that can maybe help you with it.

[ghosthunter]

My father had our 1967 Volkswagen overhauled by a mechanic. They were a bit surprised as to why it's cleaner than they expected it to be. No sludging as found on most old-model engines. It's used on an almost day-to-day basis. We've used the oil additive on it for more than 10 years already.

Pointless observation.

[bombi08]

Pointless observation.

Thanks for reading the thread anyway sir ghosthunter. That's why I wrote for help on this. We need credible tests for the product.

Sir redorange, we're going to try that test...using the oil additive on an engine, then take it apart and document the results.It'll just take time though. Thanks for your input.

Also, we're trying to find out what type of additive this will be classified in to. Because of all the different types of additives manufactured, PTFE, detergents, etc.. this one's different. That's why we think it's worth trying to test.