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  1. Join Date
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    HI,

    I would like to seek your opinions for my dilemma


    My wife would like to have this loaning business in her office. the only one allowed to this loan is all the regular employees only and the maximum amount to be loan is the monthly salary of the employee , once employee avail of the loan the employee must turn the ATM card as form of collater (3months up to 5months maximum of monthly payment)

    now, my wife will seek approval of the bank for the 100k so she can start the ball rolling in the business.


    But then I discuss to her that it will be best if we loan first 50k to the bank as start up then if the 50k is fully paid again that is the time we can raise the loan from the bank to continue the ball rolling in the business.. and at same time my wife can understand more the cycle of the business before pushing it thru

    but then again she said that , how can we serve other employees if we only have around 50k as start up.

    my point is.. it is better to start in small rather than big then lose big too . fast money is high risk

  2. Join Date
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    try nyo muna sa small amount. at least kung magkaproblema, hindi kayo mabaon sa malaking utang sa banko. Just be sure na yun ATM card ay nag-iisa lang. Baka kasi magrequest nang ATM card for replacement yun employee na manghihiram nang pera sa inyo. (Magiging bago na ang PIN nun)

  3. Join Date
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    masakit sa ulo yan sir..magkano interest?? yung alam kong ibang ganyan matindi pa sa 5-6... dapat ang kausap nyo dyan yung payroll officer nang company.. kasi pwedeng lumapit yung employee.. wag padaanin yung salary nila sa ATM.. or i declare loss yung ATM kumuha nang bago.. marami na ako narinig na ganyan.. uutang tapos re resign.. ba bye na..

    maganda nyan kung kausap yung payroll officer.. straight salary deduction.. para walang problema..

  4. Join Date
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    Quote Originally Posted by asb75 View Post
    try nyo muna sa small amount. at least kung magkaproblema, hindi kayo mabaon sa malaking utang sa banko. Just be sure na yun ATM card ay nag-iisa lang. Baka kasi magrequest nang ATM card for replacement yun employee na manghihiram nang pera sa inyo. (Magiging bago na ang PIN nun)
    naunahan mo ko. marami sa opisina ko na gago papagawa ng affidavit of loss then bigay sa banko, presto! uwi sa probinsya ng matagal!
    hindi ka puwede diyan kung mahina sikmura mo. bawal ang malambot ang puso kundi talo ka.

  5. Join Date
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    the interest is around 3% ata..

    dito kami minsan nag aaway... yan pa good point paano pag nag declare na nawala ung ATM..

    sasabihin kasi sa akin eh " di naman siguro gagawin yan ng officemate ko, tska yung tiwala pag ganyan ginawa nila sila rin mawawalan" eh sa business.. the least you can offer is the trust pero pag kilala m na talaga ung tao at least mas mapagkakatiwalaan mo

  6. Join Date
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    3% per month ang interest?? usually monthly yan eh..

    hindi pwedeng hindi naman siguro gagawin.. gagawin yan.. pag nagkagipitan yan.. walang kaibi kaibigan.. marami nang nasirang samahan dyan..

    my 2 cents.. kung hindi naman talaga kailangan yan.. wag nang pasukin.. masakit sa ulo yan..

    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    the interest is around 3% ata..

    dito kami minsan nag aaway... yan pa good point paano pag nag declare na nawala ung ATM..

    sasabihin kasi sa akin eh " di naman siguro gagawin yan ng officemate ko, tska yung tiwala pag ganyan ginawa nila sila rin mawawalan" eh sa business.. the least you can offer is the trust pero pag kilala m na talaga ung tao at least mas mapagkakatiwalaan mo

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    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    the interest is around 3% ata..

    dito kami minsan nag aaway... yan pa good point paano pag nag declare na nawala ung ATM..

    sasabihin kasi sa akin eh " di naman siguro gagawin yan ng officemate ko, tska yung tiwala pag ganyan ginawa nila sila rin mawawalan" eh sa business.. the least you can offer is the trust pero pag kilala m na talaga ung tao at least mas mapagkakatiwalaan mo
    ang taong humiram sayo ng pera hangga't hindi sinosoli huwag mong pag-katiwalaan. may mga gago padadamahin ka lang. mabilis mag-bayad sa una, yung mga susunod pahirapan na. sa pera walang TRUST. trust deposit meron hehe.
    patubo muna kayo sungay, seryoso yan.

  8. Join Date
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    mahirap din kung mag papa loan ka ng whole amount ng salary nila... paano yung daily expenses nila... tingin ko mga 40% lang ng salary nila... plus lost ATM and resign ang kalaban mo dyan... and 50K is too small... ilang employee lang yun. maybe 3 lang yun...

    Suggestion lang.. paluwagan na lang.. then involve niyo yung accounting and payroll officer ninyo... from there pwede kayo mag pa loan using the proceed from the members... then let them sign ng authority to deduct... yun nga lang share din kayo sa kita...

  9. Join Date
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    ganyan din yung ginawa dito sa amin.. paluwagan.. tapos sila nagpapautang.. to a point na umabot na sa 100T yung pinapa utang nila.. pinautang don sa isa.. i bu business daw.. nabayaran naman.. umutang ulit.. 150T na.. tapos ayun.. bigla na lang nawala.. ay di lahat sila nawalan.. pati principal and interest nung paluwagan natangay..

    Quote Originally Posted by 1997 View Post
    Suggestion lang.. paluwagan na lang.. then involve niyo yung accounting and payroll officer ninyo... from there pwede kayo mag pa loan using the proceed from the members... then let them sign ng authority to deduct... yun nga lang share din kayo sa kita...

  10. Join Date
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    not sure kung inhouse ung payroll officer or it is provided by other company..
    meron "ata" silang paluwagan.. pero may amount limit ata ung pag hiram doon.. that is why my wife came an idea about this.

    Yes 50k is small.. it can only serve up to max of 3 persons.. but it is a start para malaman kung paano nga ung tamang pagpapaikot ng ganitong klaseng pagkakakitaan

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    I've seen that in a company before. Sakit sa ulo yan, you'll have more enemies and it may even cause your wife to lose focus on the important thing which is her work.

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    hehehe.. my wife is reading this now...

  13. Join Date
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    i suggest you invest na lang sa iba.. yung safer.. like Government Bonds.. try mo yung sa Pag-ibig Housing Bonds.. 8% p.a. na yata interest nito for 5 years.. tax free.. your 50T can earn 4T per year.. so 20T for 5 years..

  14. Join Date
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    yeap.. She is just looking the possibilities of extra income thru loaning business

  15. Join Date
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    Bro, may ganyan kami dito sa office. Nasa 500K ang revolving fund namin. 6 ata kami na major investors. 3 % din. Walang collateral na atm. Halos 50% ang return namin yearly. May mga di nakakapagbayad pero overall kita pa rin.

    Mahirap yan kung mag isa lang sya na gagawa ng lahat. Suggestion ko ay maghanap pa sya ng ibang partner.

    Sa amin dito, hati hati kami ng role. May loan approver, may accounting, nagbabayad kami ng collector. Officemate din namin.

    PM mo ako kung gusto mo idiscuss to privately.

  16. Join Date
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    sir robotsonic

    u got pm

  17. Join Date
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    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    sir robotsonic

    u got pm
    replied to your pm bro.

  18. Join Date
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    sabi nga ng kaibigan ko, kung gusto mong di masira ang friendship e huwag kang uutang.

    usually ang umuutang sa ganyan yung walang savings at walang assets na pwedeng gawing collateral. sa akin lang e bakit ko naman papautangin yung taong wala, e di ba it follows na wala din siya ibabayad sa utang nya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yebo View Post
    sabi nga ng kaibigan ko, kung gusto mong di masira ang friendship e huwag kang uutang.

    usually ang umuutang sa ganyan yung walang savings at walang assets na pwedeng gawing collateral. sa akin lang e bakit ko naman papautangin yung taong wala, e di ba it follows na wala din siya ibabayad sa utang nya.
    This is true.. kaya medjo risky yan... mas ok pa yung mag layaway ka na lang ng mga celphone or appliances.. tutal uutang din naman sila for this purposes eh.. mas matrabaho nga lang... hehehe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by holdencaulfield View Post
    ang taong humiram sayo ng pera hangga't hindi sinosoli huwag mong pag-katiwalaan. may mga gago padadamahin ka lang. mabilis mag-bayad sa una, yung mga susunod pahirapan na. sa pera walang TRUST. trust deposit meron hehe.
    patubo muna kayo sungay, seryoso yan.
    Quote Originally Posted by yebo View Post
    sabi nga ng kaibigan ko, kung gusto mong di masira ang friendship e huwag kang uutang.

    usually ang umuutang sa ganyan yung walang savings at walang assets na pwedeng gawing collateral. sa akin lang e bakit ko naman papautangin yung taong wala, e di ba it follows na wala din siya ibabayad sa utang nya.
    I agree with these two. Dapat malakas sikmura mo, marunong ka manghabol, and you dont value relationships with people you'll lend to. And yes, high risk ang mga umuutang sa ganyan because they most likely will not qualify for credit with formal institutions anymore or they are maxed out also with other loan sources (Pag-ibig, SSS, Company/Union loans, etc).

    Lastly, don't lend money you can't afford to lose or write off. This is whether you're doing it as a lender or as a friend.

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