magkakaroon po ba ng hybrid vehicles dito sa 'pinas?

[zidane21]

given the current oil energy crisis we're experiencing, magkakaroon din po ba ng mga hybrid vehicles dito sa 'pinas?

kasi po uso na po ito sa ibang bansa like hybrid camry,civic,odyssey,prius,etc.
ty po and more power!

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[chris_d]

Probably not in the near future, probably in 4 years or so they may start bringing them in. Currently there are CNG buses that will be deployed. As for cars, the philippines has a very small car maket, the cost of advertising and training mechanics to repair these vehicles is rather high at the moment.

I saw a hybrid prius one time at market market, I think it was being displayed in partnership with DOST.

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Probably not in the near future, probably in 4 years or so they may start bringing them in. Currently there are CNG buses that will be deployed. As for cars, the philippines has a very small car maket, the cost of advertising and training mechanics to repair these vehicles is rather high at the moment.

I saw a hybrid prius one time at market market, I think it was being displayed in partnership with DOST.

I agree. And IMO the prices of hybrid cars are so prohivitive that the difference in cost will be the same as the amount of gas that you can save on your non-hybrid car for years.

Mikey177,
The earth's supply of oil will NEVER deplete.
"The real question is when will the worldwide demand for energy outpace the oil industry's ability to supply it with hydrocarbons, forcing oil prices up to the point that alternative sources of energy become more economically attractive. When that point is reached, alternative energies will replace oil for most applications (for example, transportation, heating, electricity generation), leaving plastics and pharmaceuticals as the remaining oil users. Oil will still be in the ground available, but it will be too expensive to use for most present applications."

[Alpha_One]

Mikey177,
The earth's supply of oil will NEVER deplete.
"The real question is when will the worldwide demand for energy outpace the oil industry's ability to supply it with hydrocarbons, forcing oil prices up to the point that alternative sources of energy become more economically attractive. When that point is reached, alternative energies will replace oil for most applications (for example, transportation, heating, electricity generation), leaving plastics and pharmaceuticals as the remaining oil users. Oil will still be in the ground available, but it will be too expensive to use for most present applications."

The oil supply is limited and it can run out. But as you said, there will be a point where it will be too expensive to burn, and that'll come WAY before we run out of the stuff.

[mazdamazda]

A hybrid car will cost $3500 to $6000 more than a normal car.

'Nuff said.

[mikey177]

When all the oil runs out in the world a few decades from now, then we'll either be using hybrid cars in the Philippines or driving pedicabs

[zidane21]

sayang, mas maganda nga naman po kasi kung electricity na lang mostly ang gamitin para sa vehicles greatly reduced ang pollution nun(air and noise!), meron na nga po sa europe renault yata yung brand hybrid running at 140hp pero concept car pa lang! pero nobody knows po baka mga anak natin in the future puro mga hybrid na gamit nila at kinekwento pa natin sa kanila na pure gas gamit natin during our time!

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[ghosthunter]

The question if we will see hybrid cars on Philippine roads is not the cost of these vehicles. Its a matter if the oil giants will let the philippine government bring in these cars. Why? The government earns millions of pesos in taxes from sales of fuel and other oil products.

[zidane21]

galing nga po e, i saw one time sa ripley's thesis ng isang student, van running on oil grease ng restaurants (mantika) ang galing! sana ganun na lang para yung mga pinaglutuan natin sa bahay pang-gasolina din e di walang nasayang!!

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[niky]

galing nga po e, i saw one time sa ripley's thesis ng isang student, van running on oil grease ng restaurants (mantika) ang galing! sana ganun na lang para yung mga pinaglutuan natin sa bahay pang-gasolina din e di walang nasayang!!

It's actually pretty easy to set up a diesel to do that... problem is, you'll need to change filters more often, as fryer oil is not very pure. It's banned in the UK (common practice there) because of the pollution.

I can see a time, though, when farmers will be selling either vegetable oil and/or alcohol to power machines... in BULK. Maybe ten years from now. They're starting to sell farm-grown ethanol for fuel use in the UK, and here, too, in the Philippines... maybe this will help kick our economy up?

As it is, our natural oil reserves will last much longer than the fifty years the pessimists predict, merely because it'll become too expensive to burn. Hopefully, solar collectors will be much cheaper by then... (the cost of producing photoelectric cells is starting to go down... thank God )... and maybe we'll have more hydroelectrics (wave generators, thermal exchange generators, as well as "traditional" hydroelectric plants) by then.

[StraightSix]

It's banned in the UK (common practice there) because of the pollution.

Just a bit of correction, niky. The use of vegetable oil isn't banned in the UK. What's illegal is using it and not paying the approx P26/li tax. Also, emission is cleaner than that of regular diesel.

Another alternative is the use of LPG - but you have to do the math. Kits are available to let you use either gasoline or LPG at the flick of a switch, kaya lang amoy utot , at mahal ang conversion kits.

Sana nga magkaroon ng hybrid sa Pinas, and if they could only bring down the price ...

[niky]

Just a bit of correction, niky. The use of vegetable oil isn't banned in the UK. What's illegal is using it and not paying the approx P26/li tax. Also, emission is cleaner than that of regular diesel.

Another alternative is the use of LPG - but you have to do the math. Kits are available to let you use either gasoline or LPG at the flick of a switch, kaya lang amoy utot , at mahal ang conversion kits.

Sana nga magkaroon ng hybrid sa Pinas, and if they could only bring down the price ...

Thanks for the correction. I thought there was also an issue before on the use of used fryer oil? Any comments on this?

Hybrids are still commercial unviable. Until 90% of the cars on the market run electric A/C compressors and power steering, thus making high output alternators more common, the price will stay at too high a premium for most users. The only users who've actually found hybrids cost-effective in Europe and the US are taxi fleets, who can make back the extra cost of the hybrid in less than a year due to their high mileage.

Sana nga maging mas affordable. According to these same taxi fleet managers, the cost of maintenance is also low, as there's a lot less wear on the engine and brakes, which are the parts most affected by traffic.

[StraightSix]

I thought there was also an issue before on the use of used fryer oil? Any comments on this?

Afaik, the issue against its use worth getting into the news was the same ... non-payment of tax. So much that the Inland Revenue (UK's BIR) reportedly used the police to stop vehicles whose emissions smell like french fries. They were later called the Frying Squad Then again, there's not much support/incentive from the UK government. Used cooking oil takes so much effort to collect, then you have to filter/process it real good, and then mix with diesel or modify the engine to run off it completely ... and you still have to pay the same tax as that of unused oil.

But some people go for it ... mind you, the price of regular diesel in most parts of the UK (if not the whole) is higher than 97 RON unleaded gasoline.

[pissword]

OT: sir mazda bling bling lang yan ng fortuner... hehe

[zidane21]

kaya lang jan nanaman po papasok ang pulitika, kaya di tayo maka-ase-asenso e! even yung filipino na nakaimbento ng hydrogen-powered engine (water-based fuel) hindi sinuportahan ng government natin e! he he

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[zidane21]

good news sa meralco yan pagkaganun! makikilaban na rin sila sa oil players! "Meralco Car Charging Station"

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[spiff]

isnt there a law already pushing for tax breaks and exemptions for hybrid cars??
so price shouldnt be too high

[theveed]

One aspect of why hybrids wont be as effective here is that our traffic will not allow the batteries to fully charge due to the extremely slow stop-and-go traffic that we have.

The hybrids rely heavily on brake-charging, if the car doesn't pick up speed enough to use the petrol engine, there's no chance for the electric servo batteries to charge up.

[ghosthunter]

One aspect of why hybrids wont be as effective here is that our traffic will not allow the batteries to fully charge due to the extremely slow stop-and-go traffic that we have.

The hybrids rely heavily on brake-charging, if the car doesn't pick up speed enough to use the petrol engine, there's no chance for the electric servo batteries to charge up.

I think you are mistaken. The petrol/diesel engine is not directly connected to the drive wheels. It is used to power the electric motors or charge the battery. This means the petrol/diesel engine will only be used if the battery charge is low or extra power is needed (example:high acceration).

Regenerative braking is used to charge the battery simply because it can be done to make the system more efficient.

Some people in the US have modified their hybrids with additional batteries which let their vehicles run longer on battery power alone, thus giving them even higher fuel milage than factory stock units.

[mazdamazda]

plus, AFAIK - when the petrol engines turn off during traffic - the airconditioning also goes with it. not so good for hot & humid Philippines.