Let's Settle This Khaos Controversy: THE TSIKOT CHALLENGE!

[pink_cadillac]

I think its about time we put some true effort to get this issue some empirical basis for both its detractors and advocates.

What I have in mind:

Test two identical vehicles. One is control and one used as experimental.

Both cars will be tested for the following:
1. Power
2. Fuel consumption
3. Emmissions

What we need:
2 Identical test vehicles
2 Support vehicles
Dyno Time
Accelerometer
Fuel
Track time (we need a legal drag strip)
Drivers
Engineer proctors to supervise
Emmissions testing in 3 different disinterested testing centers.

I'd be willing to provide a GTechPro accelerometer for the test and a pick up as a support vehicle. We can chip in for the rest. I figure we'd need a budget of around P15,000 for this endeavor.

General Procedure:
1. Measure both vehicles' power, acceleration, fuel consumption, and emissions.
2. Install Khaos on experimental vehicle.
3. Measure both vehicles' power, acceleration, fuel consumption, and emissions again.

Parameters:
-Empty fuel tanks and drain fuel systems
-Use identical fuel sources
-Urban driving through rush hour
-Highway driving 100kph from Balintawak to San Fernando and back

Anyone up for this? Volunteers who provide their vehicles get a full tank at the end of the day and if the Khaos actually works -you get it for free. Yes we will buy the device.

Maybe we can invite motoring journalists to witness this test.

Thoughts gentlemen?

[mazdamazda]

emmission testing should include NOx.

test vehicles should have cat converters. it should also be recently been tuned-up.

include also a/f ratio test equipment (this should be enough IMO though).

[yebo]

should be double-blind testing, not just 2 identical vehicles. the drivers should not be told which vehicle has the khaos stc.

also, at least 4 runs should be made. the drivers and kstc should be swapped between the 2 vehicles. 1st run with driver A on vehicle #1 with the kstc and driver B on vehicle #2 without kstc, 2nd run with driver B on vehicle #1 with kstc and driver A on vehicle #2 without kstc, 3rd and 4th runs swapping the kstc from vehicle #1 to #2 and swapping drivers as in runs 1 and 2 above. this way you eliminate the variables of placebo effect, driving style and vehicle conditions.

[rsnald]

this way you eliminate the variables of placebo effect

Hanef parang clinical testing to ng vitamins a!

[mbt]

good idea hehe, although the budget part is iffy :D

the methodology might be more accurate if instead of using two identical vehicles (which adds a variable to the mix), we use a test-retest-test-retest protocol on a single vehicle.

i think the track testing can be skipped too :D just to save a little money hehe

tsikot.com is willing to contribute a small amount to the pot for this benchmark testing.

[chase]

the khaos thingie works. no questions asked. it really does. but at the cost severely shortening the life of your engine.

running engines on a lean mixtures causes it to burn hotter. causing premature failure.

i believe that in the short run, it will work, this test will work. but how about the long-term effect of this device on your vehicle?

[mazdamazda]

the khaos thingie works. no questions asked. it really does. but at the cost severely shortening the life of your engine.

running engines on a lean mixtures causes it to burn hotter. causing premature failure.

i believe that in the short run, it will work, this test will work. but how about the long-term effect of this device on your vehicle?

and to add... you can make your engine to run lean without having to install KSTC. ;)

[BlueBimmer]

the khaos thingie works. no questions asked. it really does. but at the cost severely shortening the life of your engine.

running engines on a lean mixtures causes it to burn hotter. causing premature failure.

i believe that in the short run, it will work, this test will work. but how about the long-term effect of this device on your vehicle?

yan nalang conclusion para tipid hehe

[vinj]

Sounds doable, we just need the volunteers... The budget part is a question mark though as you'll need to pay for the following:
- 2 to 3 full tanks for two cars
- Toll Fee
- Khaos

For cars, they should be in an identical state of tune as well and they should both be fairly new so as to remove any factors related to wear and tear.

How about the state of tune of the engines? Should they also be both set at stock manufacturers specifications (a/f ratio, timing, etc...) as the way i know it, Khaos gets the results it claims with adjustments to such?

[morrissey_05]

ok to, tapos submit natin sa mga dyaryo para ma-inform naman ang publiko sa mga resulta. suggestion lang po.

[Alpha_One]

Don't forget; different drivers have different driving styles, which will make the fuel consumption measurements inconclusive...

[Poops]

saan website nito to explain the principle? Parang nawala yung dati.

[yebo]

pero di pa din magbabago opinion ko, waste of money pa din yan pag fuel injected engine mo. ecu will just adjust to compensate for the lean a/f. sa carb siguro uubra yan, sa efi hindi.

not to mention what we have been saying all along in this forum, lean a/f leads to knocking, and knocking leads to premature engine failure. pag driving style mo eh no more than 3000 rpm ok, pag gaya ko na umaabot ng 6000 rpm, no. baka nasa 4000 rpm pa lang ako sabog na engine ko dyan.

[Marc MD]

magandang idea kaso masyado magastos.. magsetup kaya ng

"THE TSIKOT-KHAOS test challenge fund drive"

para magkaron ng pondo.. suggestion lang para makapag push through na yan at EB na ulet! HEHE

[pink_cadillac]

Ditto on the double-blind testing. We have to eiliminate driving style as a variable.

So how do we get this rolling?

[mazdamazda]

IMO, those who would be directly affected by this should shoulder most (if not all) of the expense (like the dealer / distributor / inventor himself).

[chase]

alam nyo anong maganda...dyno test nlng.

car1 without khaos.
car2 with khaos.

1 hour dyno, redline all the way.

tingnan natin alin ang unang sasabog!

[pink_cadillac]

lol*chase

mazdamazda, let's keep the expense shouldered by us. That way we can maintain objectivity.

I'll start it off with 200 bucks, do I hear anyone adding on? Especially the critics, let's put our money where our mouth is and put Planas in his rightful rational place.

[falken]

IMO, nasagot na nga yung problem sa expense, what about the time frame, kailangan kasi maybe at least 2 years, to prove that it won't harm the engine. Kung sandali lang eh, matipid talaga ang khaos, kahit nga hindi ka magpakabit nito may iadjust ka lang sa car mo same effect din.

[ghosthunter]

How about more than two cars for the test.

car 1 = khaos
car 2 = control
car 3 = engine tuned for lean-burn (either using fuel pressure regulator, AFC, etc)

the point is not just to prove khaos works or not, but there are also alternatives to such devices.