2012 Fuso Canter FE vs. Isuzu NKR (4HG1-T)

[number001]

Fuso Canter FE



vs.





Both are SRP : Php 1,120,000


Intended use: Enclosed delivery van for transporting dry goods, mostly through the highways within and outside perimeter of Metro Manila.

Average annual mileage use: Bet. 12,000 - 15,000 kms per year.


Some random thoughts:

-Canter has obviously the fresher design and ergonomics.

-Isuzu is the #1 seller in the segment for the year 2011.

-Isuzu has supposed the "best" engine. Not sure this refers to performance, maintenance or reliability, or all?

-Isuzu's cab design is more than 6 years old!

-Mitusibishi might hold another trade-in promo this year (like May of last year). If they do, I can trade-in a well-worn L300 delivery van for the Canter.

-Based on OTEP's review of the i-van (which is based on a NHR cab chassis), isuzu vans seem to perform badly in terms of driveability.


So, Which one is better?

[GTi]

Well that is because the all new N-series trucks have already been making waves elsewhere for quite some time now. And as always, we get the old crap that Isuzu sends us here. But then, their trucks are really and truly tough as seen by the huge population of Isuzu trucks on the road, be they locally purchased or Japan surplus. I've read bro OTEP's review of the i-Van. Most of his peeves with it were about the poor quality of the passenger cabin of the i-Van, poor braking performance (since the NHR was not designed to be a passenger van at the first place), and rather underpowered engine (pickup truck engine for a truck?!). These however do not apply with your requirements. The 4.6L 4HG1-T engine is an excellent one. Parts are also very easy to find and do not cost much. And it is common knowledge among truckers that Isuzu parts are easier to source and often cheaper than Mitsubishi/Fuso parts.

If compared to the Canter, the NKR, having the bigger engine (4.6L vs. 3.9L) obviously has more power. But I do not know how much this will affect the gas mileage of the truck. So I suppose I'll just put it this way. If you carry heavy loads and power is very important for you, then get the NKR. If you intend to drive the truck personally and/or value fuel efficiency, you may appreciate the more user friendly Canter more.

[KIANTOT]

Kung parehas brand new sa Fuso ako kahit mas malakas yung isuzu dahil malaki ang makina, lumang cab na talaga yang sa isuzu, mas convinient din yung canter yung kambyo nasa dashboard, yung latest model yata ngayon isuzu reward na hindi isuzu elf

[Ry_Tower]

Kung parehas brand new sa Fuso ako kahit mas malakas yung isuzu dahil malaki ang makina, lumang cab na talaga yang sa isuzu, mas convinient din yung canter yung kambyo nasa dashboard, yung latest model yata ngayon isuzu reward na hindi isuzu elf

If brand new, Fuso din ako. Based sa experience namin mas matibay mitsu engine. Bihira lang talaga parts kaya mas madali maintenance ng isuzu. Although nasa MM ka so parts won't be an issue.

But given the chance to buy brandnew, Mitsu din kami. Good luck TS. Both are reliable vehicles naman.

[uls]

Canter

Isuzu isnt taken seriously in Japan. Dito lang naman sikat ang Isuzu

Isuzu sells us old stuff knowing pinoys will buy anything Isuzu. They must be very happy there's a market like the Phils.

Fuso mas matibay

[c_cube]

Canter ako given na brand new parehas.

sabi ng mga driver namin at mekaniko mas matibay daw talaga canter at sa piyesa daw mas mabilis maghanap

mga delivery trucks namin puro canter tas mga coverted at galing japan.

alive and kicking pa naman lahat sila more than 10 years na. yun pinaka matagal yata 17 years eh

[truckesh]

Go with Mitsu-Fuso, the 4D34 is proven to be robust same with the old reliable 4D30, 4D32 & 4D33.
My father has shifted to Mitsu-Fuso since it perform better than Isuzu in construction & hauling business.
Try to get inside the cockpit of the SUPERGREAT & say goodbye to GIGA.

[userfriendly]

We have the old school 4d32 and 4fh1. per our experience sobrang tibay ng Canter. The plate starts with T so you its a early 90s model. Never overhualed, no engine problems almost no maintenance. We just change oil when the driver ays that the oil needs changing. Overhualed the isuzu last Nov 2011. The mechanic also said that in his experience, the Mitsu's engine is sturdier.

[number001]

Am I right to assume Isuzu engines are easier to maintain bec. of abundance of parts? If its an abundance of surplus or replacement engine parts, I try to avoid these anyway.

Mitsubishi also has independent genuine parts like El Dorado.

The guy that repairs our fleet says to get Isuzu bec. its "better" and easier to repair, etc..

Actually, the NHR 4JB-1 fits our load requirements. But became more concerned with the Isuzu engine 4JB-1 after reading OTEP's review of it being short on power. Hence the need to upgrade to a NKR w/ 4HG1-T. NHR and NKR are the same chassis and everything. They differ in the engine options.

The problem with Canter is that not alot of people know or consider it as a workhorse in the same light as Isuzu.

If you pass by Union Motors OTIS, you will see parked outside are 10+ Canters for delivery to customers. At times, this occurs on a monthly basis. That's why when I read about Isuzu topping the sales charts for 2011, I was surprised bec. I hardly any see any brand new NKR, NHR, on the road. Yes, 2003-2009, there is a lot of them on the road.

[AKI125]

We got a local nkr years back, yes its still alive after 2 major engine overhual, 5 or more times starter problem and their rear cab which i dont know who is there subcon is...... It sucks big time. Almost yearly we have to have it body repaired and repainted.

[OTEP]

Havent tried the mitsu yet on the road but ergonomics wise, the controls are easier to reach and use and the driving position is more comfy.

Headlamps of the isuzu are pitifully useless at night especially at expressway speeds. No idea on the mitsu. Being able to see where you are going is part of safety.

Plastic bumper of the isuzu allows it to regenerate after minor hits. Also tends to inflict less damage on what you hit. Motsu metal bumper is flimsy and once hit, is already dented.

Will the isuzu come with a radio also? At least something to listen to instead of just falling asleep. The mitsu has basic audio.

Mitsu glove box is a joke. Its more of a mail slot. Hehe.

Afaik, both are already tilt cabs so thats good.

Have you tried looking at the toyota hino 300 too?

Isuzu rear bodies are made by Centro if you buy from the dealer.

[OTEP]

Madaming isuzu elf with "dualmode mt" sa surplasan ngayon. What is that? Pati new canter may surplus na din, matic yung nakita ko. Ewan ko lang kung na tsunami or may radiation.

[number001]

I noticed most who recommended to get surplus are actually in the market (not for 4 wheelers, which I am) but for 10 wheelers, ie . Isuzu Giga, Forward, etc... In cases like that, one has no other choice but to get surplus units. If I'm not mistaken, the only brand new units around are Chinese brands.

How about surplus 4 wheelers? Anyone with good experience with these?

Also I noticed surplus vans come with very high cargo cab. This is a problem since the highway system here charges based on vehicle height. Anything over 7ft in height, are classified as CLASS B, which is double the cost of CLASS A. We do lots of highway trips so this affects our cost.

Probably still go with brand new since these units will be used for the long term. I'm wary of recommending to the company on getting surplus then if it keeps on breaking down my reputation might be on the line. We still have 20+ year old L300s at 298,xxx Kms and still going.

OTEP is also right about the flooded units from Japan as well as the radiation fallout. With the amount of reconditioning these sellers do, its just about possible to cover things up like nothing happened. These two issues just compounds the number of things would be buyers have to watch out for.

[Ry_Tower]

I noticed most who recommended to get surplus are actually in the market (not for 4 wheelers, which I am) but for 10 wheelers, ie . Isuzu Giga, Forward, etc... In cases like that, one has no other choice but to get surplus units. If I'm not mistaken, the only brand new units around are Chinese brands.

How about surplus 4 wheelers? Anyone with good experience with these?

Also I noticed surplus vans come with very high cargo cab. This is a problem since the highway system here charges based on vehicle height. Anything over 7ft in height, are classified as CLASS B, which is double the cost of CLASS A. We do lots of highway trips so this affects our cost.

Probably still go with brand new since these units will be used for the long term. I'm wary of recommending to the company on getting surplus then if it keeps on breaking down my reputation might be on the line. We still have 20+ year old L300s at 298,xxx Kms and still going.

OTEP is also right about the flooded units from Japan as well as the radiation fallout. With the amount of reconditioning these sellers do, its just about possible to cover things up like nothing happened. These two issues just compounds the number of things would be buyers have to watch out for.

We have 2 surplus 4 wheelers all Isuzu also because of thee same reason given by Boybi in his latest post. But if I am to buy now, I'll get a mitsubishi.

[uls]

Madaming isuzu elf with "dualmode mt" sa surplasan ngayon. What is that?

may pina-consign sa amin surplus elf na clutchless manual

the shifter is manual but there's no clutch pedal

there's a sticker sa cab "Smoother-Ex"

direct importer yung nag consign. puro late model pinaparating niya

[uls]

Been using Japan surplus trucks since my dad started the business. And all are Isuzus. The trick is to buy only from trusted/reputable sellers and you'll never have a problem with your trucks aside from the wear and tear parts. Some will say swertehan ang pagbili ng surplus. And this is true. So even if you'll buy from a reputable seller, always bring your trusted mechanic to properly inspect the truck before purchasing.

yes swertehan nga. meron laspag meron sariwa. swerte ka pag nakapili ka ng sariwa. parang bumili ka ng brand new sa presyong surplus

meron mga customer magaling talaga maghanap ng sariwa. di sila bumibili ng recon. gusto nila makita as-is. and they buy as-is

I just bought a 10-wheeler Isuzu Giga wingvan (6WA1) last week. Grabe na rin ang cost ng surplus trucks now. Almost twice the cost na compared to the last time I bought one.

ya laki ng tinaas. lakas kasi ng yen

[kjcc0012]

Asan na kaya si ISUZU SALESMAN mondragon? Dapat andto siya para maliwanagan. Hahaha

[van lover]

good day to all ^^

meron po kami dati taltlong isuzu elf, pero hindi po sabay sabay na naging amin, bili tapos palit pag tumagal. yung last naming isuzu elf ay 4be1, ewan ko yung dalawang nauna. lahat ay japan surplus, wala naman po naging problem sa conversion. then nag L300 muna kami then changed to mitsubishi canter, japan surplus din, sa left side pa nakatapat ang wiper at ang kambyo ay nasa kanan pero wala naman kami naging problema sa conversion, 4d32 po sya. mas gusto ko ride comfort ng canter. napakatibay po parehong unit, ginagamit ni papa dati sa construction at pinaparent pa sa garment company na puro maong na mabibigat kinakarga nila. pero kung bibili kami ulit, mas preffer ko siguro canter.

[weisshorn]

Asan na kaya si ISUZU SALESMAN mondragon? Dapat andto siya para maliwanagan. Hahaha

He, he.. baka nag-iipon lang ng pang sagot mga sir. Pinatulong-tulongan nyo kasi Peace

[kevin3000]

Canter ako mas maganda manakbo yung canter at mas malambot yung ride niya gamit namin pareho canter at Elf