2nd Gen Fortuner vs MUX

[pupuek]

Need help deciding between Fortuner 2.4 G AT and MUX 3.0 AT. Actually, I'm currently leaning towards the MUX but I want to be convinced to get the Toyota.

Please note that Everest, Trailblazer and Montero are out of the question. I've considered them initially and have narrowed down to these two specific variants. Anyhow, I've listed down some specs, pros and cons below.

Spec === Fortuner === MUX
Engine === 2GD-FTV === 4JJ1
Displacement === 2.4 === 3
Power === 147 * 3400 === 163 * 3200
Torque === 400 * 1600 - 2000 === 380 * 1800-2200
Trans === 6 speed === 5 speed
Dimensions (L x W x H) === 4795 x 1855 x 1835 === 4825 x 1860 x 1840
Wheelbase === 2745 === 2845
Ground clearance === 193 === 230
Price === 1.476 === 1.398
Discount === no discount === 20K

Fortuner
Pros
Better looking (exterior)
Better design and materials (interior)
Toyota branding/reputation
All-new model
Better resale
Euro 4 engine
Easier to source spare parts (eventually)
Gate type shifter
Roomier inside?
Cheaper maintenance?
Better after sales?

Cons
Higher SRP (~80K) considering stripped features
Chamoise (yellow/beige) fabric interior
Rear drum brakes
4 link rear suspension
Being all new, engine/tranny are unproven and there might be issues
no backing up sensor/camera
higher insurane cost
Prone to carnapping?

MUX
Pros
Bigger displacement with B10 rating
Commercial ancestry of tranny
Lower SRP
All black interior (easier to clean)
Leather seats
Push start
Rear disc brakes
Traction Control
5 link rear suspension
Better fuel consumption?

Cons
Really really bad after sales
Old tech engine (Euro 2)
Tupperware feel interior
Climate control looks flimsy and cheap
Third row window looks odd
Twin of the trailblazer

Just some background, I plan to use the car for 10-15 years. I'm doing roughly 12-14k km annually. Weekdays 100% city; weekends 60% highway. I have 2 kids so 3rd row will usually be folded to make space for the family junk.

Your thoughts?

[pupuek]

I can't edit my post so to be clear, I'm deciding between:
Fortuner 4x2 2.4 G and MUX 4x2 3.0

[unmarked]

Kung di lang factor ang casa, for me lang ha, hands down MUX e. Kaso mejo daming nag rereklamo taga daw kasi ang presyo/intervals. Matanong ko lang kung loan ba to or cash.

[pupuek]

either. kung ano mas ok. but i think mas sulit kung cash since sobra taas ng interest pag in-house

[L22]

I own a 3.0 MUx AT and i can say that MUx offers better value right now. But then again, wait for the Fortuner and be sure to test drive both before deciding. It is different when you see the cars in the flesh. For the PMS cost, Isuzu has standardized the cost and you can see it in their website.

For long term ownership and outside casa servicing, I think hindi na yan magkakalayo sa cost. It all boils down to reliability in the long run, which both Toyota and isuzu are known for. Slight advantage lang sa Isuzu because the engine is older and subok na, the new Toyota engine is yet to be time tested.

[pupuek]

i didn't know that Isuzu published their PMS cost. its not that cheap but considering genuine parts and intact warranty, i guess worth the price.

btw, which of the Isuzu casas have competent mechanics and service advisors? the one in c5 is a headache (last service 2 years ago before i did my PMS outside). never ako lumabas ng walang grasa yung interior. even the steering wheel laging may sulat ng ballpen. for the price they charge, they ought to improve their service. anyway, this is not a rant so ill stop at that.

anymore comments? from toyota side?

[kkreuk18]

i didn't know that Isuzu published their PMS cost. its not that cheap but considering genuine parts and intact warranty, i guess worth the price.

btw, which of the Isuzu casas have competent mechanics and service advisors? the one in c5 is a headache (last service 2 years ago before i did my PMS outside). never ako lumabas ng walang grasa yung interior. even the steering wheel laging may sulat ng ballpen. for the price they charge, they ought to improve their service. anyway, this is not a rant so ill stop at that.

anymore comments? from toyota side?

sinagot naman ako sa fb ng isuzu phils tungkol sa pms. lahat ng may 5(5kplus), 10 30 50 70 (8k), 20 40 60 80 100(16k for the manual 18k for the matic)

[apt2a]

Fortuner
Pros
Roomier inside?

MuX
Cons
Tupperware feel interior
Climate control looks flimsy and cheap

Hi Sir, nagchecheck rin po ako kasi balak ko din kumuha. Pano niyo po nasabi na roomier ang fortuner. Ang sikip po kasi ung outgoing compared sa m-x, and based sa reviews konti lang daw po nagbago.

Ano po ung ibig sabihin ng tupperware interior, and ung auto climate bakit po feels cheap. And ung bad after sales in general po ba un ng lahat ng isuzu or sa branches lang?

[cluelessagain]

I'd get the all-new fortuner. Yung mux sobrang olats pagdating sa exteriord design in comparison sa mga bagong labas na SUV such as the montero, ford everest. Opinion ko lang naman hehe peace

[crosswind]

Toyota has worse aftersales service than isuzu.
I was affected by the so called d4-d issue back then and it took them like 5 months to fix my unit because they want my warranty to expire so they can charge me for other problem I encounter after the warranty expiration.
When the isuzu trooper had the injector problems, Isuzu even sent me a mail that we can bring the unit anytime so they can fix the issue even if our unit haven't suffered from the injector issues. and now My MUX 3.0 has scratches on the hood due to mishandling during the detailing process and the dealer said that I could bring the car back anytime so they can remove the scratches. =))

[Vensong Quezon]

Toyota has worse aftersales service than isuzu.
I was affected by the so called d4-d issue back then and it took them like 5 months to fix my unit because they want my warranty to expire so they can charge me for other problem I encounter after the warranty expiration.
When the isuzu trooper had the injector problems, Isuzu even sent me a mail that we can bring the unit anytime so they can fix the issue even if our unit haven't suffered from the injector issues. and now My MUX 3.0 has scratches on the hood due to mishandling during the detailing process and the dealer said that I could bring the car back anytime so they can remove the scratches. =))

Maybe sa experience mo pero sa akin it's ok but not great. cheap maintenance? NO! ang mahal! ng Toyota akala ko mura dahil yon parati sinasabi, pero nagiba na ngayon compare ito sa Adventure ko dati vs sa Innova ko ngayon. MUX vs Fortuner Winner ko Fortuner hindi ako panboi ng Toyota pero mas mabuti siguro hintayin mo new MUX or dagdag mo listahan mo Everest at Montero. ngayon aftersales even yang Montero at Fortuner not sure sa Everest.

[ecm14m]

Sa Mu-x 3.0 na ako kumpara sa base model ng Fortuner AT. Sa security features na lang sulit na sulit talaga. Sa porma, sa palagay ko di na rin talo.

[Eevie]

May we know the reason why the Everest, Trail Blazer and Montero are not being considered?

[jut703]

If the interior and exterior of the Isuzu aren't dealbreakers for you, the MUX is better value.

Personally though I'd definitely get the Fortuner. If I'll spend close to 1.5M for a car, I'd get a car that looks like it's worth 1.5M. The MUX just doesn't look like it was designed in the same decade as the Fort.

The interior can always be improved with leather seat covers to make the color more palatable and 20" OEM rims will make it look even better than a stock Prado.

Never had any issues with Toyota PMS. None of the Toyotas we've ever owned were headaches.


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[StockEngine]

In thai forums they say the mux is 300k cheaper. I guess here its priced higher? Lol

[XTO]

Fort kaya lang i'd rather wait for some improvements including interior shade and others - marami pa yan after a year or two.

[pupuek]

May we know the reason why the Everest, Trail Blazer and Montero are not being considered?

Everest - takot ako sa turbo issue althogh pogi nito
Tb - cause its a chevy and i dont like the grille
Montero - Tail lights look like theyre crying. Also, mahal ng maintenance ng montero ng friend ko.

If the interior and exterior of the Isuzu aren't dealbreakers for you, the MUX is better value.

Personally though I'd definitely get the Fortuner. If I'll spend close to 1.5M for a car, I'd get a car that looks like it's worth 1.5M. The MUX just doesn't look like it was designed in the same decade as the Fort.

The interior can always be improved with leather seat covers to make the color more palatable and 20" OEM rims will make it look even better than a stock Prado.

Never had any issues with Toyota PMS. None of the Toyotas we've ever owned were headaches.


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Hate the 3rd row windows of the mux. Weird talaga ng itsura. Interior very spartan. Ang dali pa magasgas ng plastic materials.

Super pogi ng new fortuner. Looks better on the road vs inside the showroom. Imo, best looking in its class.

In thai forums they say the mux is 300k cheaper. I guess here its priced higher? Lol

Well the fortuner sells cheaper in Australia. Better equipped pa. Perhaps the differing tax laws is causing it.

Fort kaya lang i'd rather wait for some improvements including interior shade and others - marami pa yan after a year or two.

Agree, sama lang tlga ng interior nung dsl G AT. Sana yung sidings man lang ginawa na nilang black. Muka kasing dumihin.

[jaggerx3]

I'd choose MU-X. Personally walang dating sa akin yung bagong Fort. MU-X looks good on silver

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[hpv]

Mu-x,subok na itong matibay. Less maintenance sa engine dahil naka timing chain unlike sa fort naka timing belt. Oa ang mukha ng bagong fort at new engine di pa natin alam problema nyan.
Mu-x na kunin mo at gayahin mo ito:


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[keithdb]

If you can live with the interior, get the mux. It has the best value for money. But personally i will get the fortuner for my own selfish reasons.

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