Toyota Vios 1.5G vs. Honda City 1.5E

[ericson21]

hello mga sir, plan ko kasi talaga eh kukuha kami ng vios 1.5G kasi may bronze mica metallic na available color for this one, same as my innova, low cost of parts, maintenance, at tipid sa gas, magandang bihisan.

pero may nakapagsabi sakin ng honda city 1.5E. naisip ko meron ding bronze neto at mas konti sa daan kesa vios, maganda ding bihisan di ko lang alam sa maintenance and parts neto. advice naman po kung anu talaga ang mas magandang bilin sa dalawa.

this will be our 1st gas vehicle kasi adventure at innova namin is diesel pareho. medyo newbie ako sa gas engine eh. pa help mga sirs, mga gurus. :D

pa advice naman po w/c is better RE sa:

1. exterior/appearance
2. interior (dashboard, space inside like legroom, trunk space, stock speakers sound quality, HU (may aux input ba?) AC vents etc.)
3. performance (engine power, reliability)
4. maintenance (costs of parts, availability of parts)
5. fuel consumption (hiway and city drive)

thanks mga sir. all of your replies is a big help.

[renzo_d10]

So ayun, I've been using a Honda City 1.5E for the past 1-2 weeks now. And I`ll make this short as possible.

1. Handling is commendable. Although I still like the handling of the FD ( syempre hehe )

2. Acceleration and transmission response is superb - when you put your foot down, hindi na nagdadalawang isip yung kotse downshift agad at yung rpm sipa sa 4000rpm

3. Audio is nice. Pwede na siya kabitan ng iPod. Although I think the speakers needs to be replaced kung OC ka medyo sa quality. ( ganun naman lahat ng Honda yata, maski sa FD so-so lang )

4. Interior is just fantastic. Malamig sa mata yung optitron gauges sa gabi, and it feels sporty

5. Space is so-so. Tried maxing out the seating capacity of the City while it is still with me. 6 persons. 2 sa harap, 4 sa likod. And that's the max na pwede mo isakay i think.

6. Luggage space is so-so. Not really good, not bad either. It's just fine. Ok for hauling small stuff, not good for hauling bulky and long baggage

7. Looks are subjective, dati ayoko. But since I had the car for about 2 weeks, I'm starting to like it more.

--

I have few gripes about it.

1. It easily bottoms out. I really need to take it easy on humps when the car is full.

2. Headlight is weak. ( I have to admit, the Vios' lighting is better )

3. Yung pagpasok mo sa rear seat, kung medyo matangkad ka eh may pagkahirap. Pwede ka mauntog dun sa frame.

Yun lang naman.

Average FC

QC-Paranaque/Taguig-QC ( via c5 )

11km/L
Understandable, since my pace was fast. I hardly went down 90kph all throughout. And there were occasional hard accelerations.

Ta's QC-Trinoma-Galleria

10.3km/L
Medyo na-traffic ako. Ta's pag open nung daan, hataw ulit. :hysterical:

Commonwealth-QC-Commonwealth
10.0km/L
Again, hataw mode. HAHA.

Guess I won't be trying eco-runs on this car as I did on the FD ( topped at 13km/L btw ) since I am having lots of fun driving this. If given the chance, I'd want to have one. Erh. Baka tumatanda lang ako at nagugustuhan ko na matic as opposed to my cars which are all manual. Hehe.

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I haven't tried driving the Vios G 1.5M/T yet. So wala pa akong comment about dun.

Ang alam ko lang.

1. It's fast. ( M/T 1.5L eh )
2. Its headlights are good as compared to the City
3. I don't like the current looks, I like the pre-MMC Vios' looks more.

Hehe.

Goodluck!

BTW:
- Kaya walang stock dahil sa flooding na nangyari sa Thailand. Yun ang alam ko. But as per Honda, they will try to do their best to restock and sell units again ASAP.

[frequenzy]

some info po. last 2009 halos sabay kami kumuha ng friend ko auto. Kinuha ko yung 1.3E at siya naman yung 1.5E na city. nasubukan ko idrive yung city niya at nadrive niya rin yung vios ko.

1. exterior - depende sa tumitingin, yung vios kasi medyo naka smile at yung city pagalit effect
2. interior - kung overall looks mas maganda tingnan yung city, medyo standard kasi yung vios. pero sa legroom we both agreed na mas maluwag ang vios. although sa labas mas mukang maluwag tingnan yung city. stock HU panalo rin ang city.
3. para sa akin parehas lang yan ng performance
4. pagdating sa maintenance sa tingin ko lamang ang vios, dahil sa dami ng taxi i'm very sure walang problema sa availability ng parts. sa reliability tingin ko vios din, nakasakay na ata ako ng vios taxi na halos 200k na odo pero swabe pa rin.
5. yung 1.3 ko is 12km/l sa city driving, highway cguro nasa 14-16.

para sa akin tabla lang sila overall, pili ka na lang kung ano mas prefer mo na looks :-)

[ericson21]

So ayun, I've been using a Honda City 1.5E for the past 1-2 weeks now. And I`ll make this short as possible.

1. Handling is commendable. Although I still like the handling of the FD ( syempre hehe )

2. Acceleration and transmission response is superb - when you put your foot down, hindi na nagdadalawang isip yung kotse downshift agad at yung rpm sipa sa 4000rpm

3. Audio is nice. Pwede na siya kabitan ng iPod. Although I think the speakers needs to be replaced kung OC ka medyo sa quality. ( ganun naman lahat ng Honda yata, maski sa FD so-so lang )

4. Interior is just fantastic. Malamig sa mata yung optitron gauges sa gabi, and it feels sporty

5. Space is so-so. Tried maxing out the seating capacity of the City while it is still with me. 6 persons. 2 sa harap, 4 sa likod. And that's the max na pwede mo isakay i think.

6. Luggage space is so-so. Not really good, not bad either. It's just fine. Ok for hauling small stuff, not good for hauling bulky and long baggage

7. Looks are subjective, dati ayoko. But since I had the car for about 2 weeks, I'm starting to like it more.

--

I have few gripes about it.

1. It easily bottoms out. I really need to take it easy on humps when the car is full.

2. Headlight is weak. ( I have to admit, the Vios' lighting is better )

3. Yung pagpasok mo sa rear seat, kung medyo matangkad ka eh may pagkahirap. Pwede ka mauntog dun sa frame.

Yun lang naman.

Average FC

QC-Paranaque/Taguig-QC ( via c5 )

11km/L
Understandable, since my pace was fast. I hardly went down 90kph all throughout. And there were occasional hard accelerations.

Ta's QC-Trinoma-Galleria

10.3km/L
Medyo na-traffic ako. Ta's pag open nung daan, hataw ulit. :hysterical:

Commonwealth-QC-Commonwealth
10.0km/L
Again, hataw mode. HAHA.

Guess I won't be trying eco-runs on this car as I did on the FD ( topped at 13km/L btw ) since I am having lots of fun driving this. If given the chance, I'd want to have one. Erh. Baka tumatanda lang ako at nagugustuhan ko na matic as opposed to my cars which are all manual. Hehe.

--

I haven't tried driving the Vios G 1.5M/T yet. So wala pa akong comment about dun.

Ang alam ko lang.

1. It's fast. ( M/T 1.5L eh )
2. Its headlights are good as compared to the City
3. I don't like the current looks, I like the pre-MMC Vios' looks more.

Hehe.

Goodluck!

BTW:
- Kaya walang stock dahil sa flooding na nangyari sa Thailand. Yun ang alam ko. But as per Honda, they will try to do their best to restock and sell units again ASAP.

thanks sir! super detailed to. bago kami kumuha babalikan ko tong sagot nyo ni sir frequenzy as my reference. super thanks sir renzo_d10 and sir frequenzy. i'll take this as my reference before buying. not in a hurry naman, balak pa lang eh. siguro mga april pa ito.

punta me honda this week para i check ang city 1.5E. :D

some info po. last 2009 halos sabay kami kumuha ng friend ko auto. Kinuha ko yung 1.3E at siya naman yung 1.5E na city. nasubukan ko idrive yung city niya at nadrive niya rin yung vios ko.

1. exterior - depende sa tumitingin, yung vios kasi medyo naka smile at yung city pagalit effect
2. interior - kung overall looks mas maganda tingnan yung city, medyo standard kasi yung vios. pero sa legroom we both agreed na mas maluwag ang vios. although sa labas mas mukang maluwag tingnan yung city. stock HU panalo rin ang city.
3. para sa akin parehas lang yan ng performance
4. pagdating sa maintenance sa tingin ko lamang ang vios, dahil sa dami ng taxi i'm very sure walang problema sa availability ng parts. sa reliability tingin ko vios din, nakasakay na ata ako ng vios taxi na halos 200k na odo pero swabe pa rin.
5. yung 1.3 ko is 12km/l sa city driving, highway cguro nasa 14-16.

para sa akin tabla lang sila overall, pili ka na lang kung ano mas prefer mo na looks :-)

[cjv_justice]

Good Luck on your choice here sir. I reckon you won't have a problem naman either way you choose. Sa tingin ko lang mas cheaper PMS nung Vios. I'm just basing this with our maintenance nung bigger brothers nila (Civic FD 1.8S MT & Corolla Altis 1.6V).


happy new year.

[OTEP]

The City is more cleverly designed and makes efficient use of space.

The Vios is easier to work on when it comes to repair and maintenance. Lot's of parts are serviceable. The City has lots of 'assembly' parts that are designed to be replaced and not serviced when damaged or worn. But hey, Filipinos are very ingenious when it comes to ghetto fixes so I guess someone will figure out how to service those items (e.g. suspension arms have to be replaced when a bushing goes bad unlike in other cars that you only need to take the bushing out and put in a new one).

The trunk of the City feels roomier and better shaped.
The interior details of the City are more clever when it comes to ergonomics, storage, and comfort. Just don't count on any underseat storage because the fuel tank lives under the front seat. Not a bad thing, considering its the safest place in a crash.

The Vios interior plastics don't really feel so great. The padded dash of an earlier generation Corolla even feels better than the slab of black plastic they put in as the Vios dashboard. Not sure if this will age gracefully also. The hard plastic on a City feels better, too.

And who's the idiot who put the jack underneath the driver's seat of the Vios? Why not put them all together in the trunk? It also eats up toe room for the rear passenger.

Not sure about this but on the Jazz, you have to take the front bumper and headlamp out just to replace a headlamp bulb. Pretty dumb. AFAIK, you just need to pop the hood of the Vios to replace the headlamp bulbs. Not something you're gonna do often, but when a headlamp fails in the most unfortunate place and you need to check it (e.g. when the kotong cop apprehends you for a dead headlamp and you happen to have a spare bulb in the car), you're pretty much screwed.

The City doesn't have side protective door mouldings that the Vios has. Say hello to parking lot dings and dents. I hope you are friends with a good PDR shop.

Overall, just pick which one you like better.

[vinj]

The City is more cleverly designed and makes efficient use of space.

The Vios is easier to work on when it comes to repair and maintenance. Lot's of parts are serviceable. The City has lots of 'assembly' parts that are designed to be replaced and not serviced when damaged or worn. But hey, Filipinos are very ingenious when it comes to ghetto fixes so I guess someone will figure out how to service those items (e.g. suspension arms have to be replaced when a bushing goes bad unlike in other cars that you only need to take the bushing out and put in a new one).

The trunk of the City feels roomier and better shaped.
The interior details of the City are more clever when it comes to ergonomics, storage, and comfort. Just don't count on any underseat storage because the fuel tank lives under the front seat. Not a bad thing, considering its the safest place in a crash.

The Vios interior plastics don't really feel so great. The padded dash of an earlier generation Corolla even feels better than the slab of black plastic they put in as the Vios dashboard. Not sure if this will age gracefully also. The hard plastic on a City feels better, too.

And who's the idiot who put the jack underneath the driver's seat of the Vios? Why not put them all together in the trunk? It also eats up toe room for the rear passenger.

Not sure about this but on the Jazz, you have to take the front bumper and headlamp out just to replace a headlamp bulb. Pretty dumb. AFAIK, you just need to pop the hood of the Vios to replace the headlamp bulbs. Not something you're gonna do often, but when a headlamp fails in the most unfortunate place and you need to check it (e.g. when the kotong cop apprehends you for a dead headlamp and you happen to have a spare bulb in the car), you're pretty much screwed.

The City doesn't have side protective door mouldings that the Vios has. Say hello to parking lot dings and dents. I hope you are friends with a good PDR shop.

Overall, just pick which one you like better.

True. With regard to the Vios plastics, its just plain cheap (although the City is quite plasticky as well). I really noticed this when we took down the dash of a Vios before; it's just one chunk of ugly, cheap plastic that could look like a China toy. The same goes for its other plastic panels hidden inside the dash. You'd notice the difference if you were used to seeing the old dashboards from the 1990's Toyotas.

On the suspension, the City has better handling but when you throw in potholes, the Vios has better insulation and shock aborption; we bottomed out a brand new City onto a deep pothole before (at low speed, in a parking lot) and it gave out a real ugly "thunk" sound. Driving feel is definitely to the City for me as you sit lower and in the car, and not high and on the car when you're in the Vios.

On parts, the Vios parts should have an edge given my experience with both Toyota and Hondas in the past. I helped out in repairing an Ondoy modified Vios for a relative and the Japan replacement and Toyota OEM parts have been easily sourced and prices were okay either at the CASA or at Banawe.

Overall though, i'd go with the City for personal use. I just prefer the driving feel and handling much, much more.

[s10pao]

sir ericson21, in case na vios kukunin nyo make sure na pantay ung kulay ng car paint. may kakilala ako hindi pareho ung shade nung hood at bumper nya tapos halata pa. silver ung oto nya.

[marion2]

Honda City gets my vote for looks, performance, interior, and especially it's HU.

Vios for low maintenance cost, "superb suspension" for me, and legroom was great.

[Verbl Kint]

No offense to Vios owners, but I really feel that the lead designer of this car was high as a kite when he drew up the design. Of all the cars that sold well in the Philippines, this one has the worst design cues of them all.

[OTEP]

If it matters to the thread starter, to service the a/c of the Vios you have to remove the whole dashboard.

Don't know if its the same case with the City.

[renzo_d10]

And knowing CASA. They don't give a damn whenever your dashboard gets a little scratch or looses a clip.

Sabihin pa nila sayo when you find it out na andun na yun originally at di sila may gawa. LOL.

[basti08]

I think the FC of the City is a bit hyped here. My Uncle has a 2011 City E.

He's lucky to get 8km/l. I dunno, theoretically the 5AT should be more economical, thing is, it should have been economical IF the engine paired to it is torquey enough, which isn't the case. So, instead of holding a higher gear, the City's tranny sometimes even hunts on lower gears, downshifts in a snap and acts a bit busy. I've driven a Jazz 1.5V last week to Baguio and this is what i've observed with the tranny's behavior. And indeed, around Baguio city, i only managed to averaged around 8+ something km/l, which isnt bad for an engine with 600kms on the odo but hardly thrifty.

Although among the 2, i'd pick the City, especially the MC model coming in a few months time, it now has power folding mirrors, steering wheel audio controls and one-ups the Vios with 16" wheels and 185/55R16 tires.

I still believe though, the Vios is still a lower maintenance car of the two, I own one. Plus i can vouch that the Vios 1.5G AT like my car could easily hit 10km/l on normal driving. I think both cars are reliable. As practical as the other.

The Vios is less roomy but with a flat rear floor. The City has a huge trunk.

HTH

[userfriendly]

Honda City gets my vote. Love your own.

The best way to get very good FC with the 1.5E is to use the Sport or "S" mode and drive it like a manual. Been doing this for about 2 weeks. With my previous oil change driving using D, the trip computer showed ave FC of 13.6km/l. Reset the trip computer after the oil change.

Same route for the past 2 weeks and I'm getting 15.5 km/l with manual shifting. Went as high as 16.2 km/l highway speeds of 100 to 140 kmh. Went down with city traffic.

To do this, put the tranny in S then just use the paddle shifters to shift manually. It will downshift by itself if your speed goes to low. From 5th gear, it will shift to 4th gear at around 40 kmh then to 3rd gear at slightly below 30 kmh. It does not like 2nd gear and just goes to 1st gear at full stop. I upshift manually.

Maintenance cost is around 4000 pesos per 10,000 kms. I just change my oil every 10,000 kms. Honda says 6 months or 10,000 kms whichever comes 1st. I just do every 10K and so far so good. They never said anything about warranty issues. My unit was part of the recall and they just did it no questions asked.

[basti08]

Honda City gets my vote. Love your own.

The best way to get very good FC with the 1.5E is to use the Sport or "S" mode and drive it like a manual. Been doing this for about 2 weeks. With my previous oil change driving using D, the trip computer showed ave FC of 13.6km/l. Reset the trip computer after the oil change.

Same route for the past 2 weeks and I'm getting 15.5 km/l with manual shifting. Went as high as 16.2 km/l highway speeds of 100 to 140 kmh. Went down with city traffic.

To do this, put the tranny in S then just use the paddle shifters to shift manually. It will downshift by itself if your speed goes to low. From 5th gear, it will shift to 4th gear at around 40 kmh then to 3rd gear at slightly below 30 kmh. It does not like 2nd gear and just goes to 1st gear at full stop. I upshift manually.

Maintenance cost is around 4000 pesos per 10,000 kms. I just change my oil every 10,000 kms. Honda says 6 months or 10,000 kms whichever comes 1st. I just do every 10K and so far so good. They never said anything about warranty issues. My unit was part of the recall and they just did it no questions asked.

As with the Jazz, I believe you can do the same (shifting manually) while in "D" mode. It can override upshifts and downshift. Case in point, you are at 5th gear at 100kph and wants to overtake the bus infront of you. Simply find if the coast is clear, tap the left paddle to downshift to 4th gear for a better powerband and overtake. You can also tap the paddle to upshift if you think the tranny is holding the gear a bit too long on too low. All while in "D".

[userfriendly]

Yes you can do it in D mode. But the AT has a habit of downshifting and it likes to spend a long time in 1st gear. I used to do this in D mode but I find the S mode works better. The thing I dont like with manual shifting in D mode is I sometimes dont know what gear its in. Happened a few times when overtaking, thought I was in 5th gear so downshifted, turned out the AT already downshifted to 4th so I went into 3rd gear.

[ericson21]

SALAMAT PO sa lahat ng mga nag reply sa thread ko.

lahat po ng mga reply nyo ay i check ko pagka kukuha na kami.

both of these cars ay maganda para sakin, kaya salamat po sa inyo.

ang hirap po pumili sa 2 na to talaga pero dahil sa inyo mapapadali.


sa mga may share pa po about these 2 cars, go post lang po mga sir. :D

[mda]

As others have already mentioned the important points, i think it's worth considering that the Vios replacement is out next year.

Hassle kapag yung 1 year old car mo, luma na.

[vinj]

As others have already mentioned the important points, i think it's worth considering that the Vios replacement is out next year.

Hassle kapag yung 1 year old car mo, luma na.

Depends also... You can get generous discounts that way. I purposely bought my 2007 Altis before the 10th gen was released so the price i got after the discount was not far off from a second gen Vios 1.3 E which was also just released that time.

If they give good discounts on the current Yaris a/t this year, we might consider one as well.

[mda]

On the other side of the coin though, we were able to obtain our 06 FD at nearer to the price of the ES model. Introductory price daw.

Since then, halos 100k yung tinaas ng same variant from 2006 to 2011.

You do have a valid point though. Discounts plus the fact na mas 'mature' na yung technology and various problems that appeared in the previous models should have already been fixed by the end of its lifetime. Yun nga lang, I'm a sucker for cutting edge haha

Well, up to TS to decide what's more important to them at this point in time.