Nissan Urvan NV350 15 str vs Toyota Hi-Ace Commuter

[akosijhay]

Good day mga sir,

I just want to get a feedback on this both vehicles. We currently own a Toyota Hiace Commuter 2010 with 260,000KM odo. So far, wala pa naman major issues sa engine nya and still going strong pa. We are planning to get another van on December kaya nag iisip kami kung ano ang kukunin. It will primarily use for commercial (van rental business) kaya eto po ung pinagpipilian namin. As for Hiace,

Advantages:

+ Tried and tested engine (No major issue for last 5 years of ownership)
+ Parts availability (10 years na sa market)
+ Dual front airbags
+ It's a Toyota
+ Maintenance (Mas marami na ang pamilyar sa pag service ng Toyota Hiace compare sa new Nissan Urvan NV350)
+ Fuel consumption
+ Plastic step board? (idk if tama po ang tawag dito? Basta eto ung una ko napansin sa bagong Toyota Hiace Commuter ung pag bukas ng sliding door ung inaapakan na plastic compare sa old Hiace na wala)

Disadvantages

- Rear aircon (Hirap palamigan ung likod lalo na pag tanghali)
- Higher pricing (1.262M Toyota Hiace vs 1.207M Nissan Urvan)
- Engine (Timing belt)
- Low engine power (102Hp, 260Nm torque) compare sa Nissan Urvan NV350
- Engine Air filter (nasa front bumper so medyo delikado idaan sa flooded area)

However, upon reading dito sa forum about Nissan Urvan NV350 eto po ung mga nakuha kong informations:

Advantages:

+ Engine (Timing chain) eto po talaga ang reason kung bakit nagugustuhan ko ang Nissan Urvan
+ Rear aircon (Upto the last row na ung vent ng aircon)
+ More powerful engine (129Hp, 356Nm torque)
+ Cheaper price
+ Mas comfortable ang ride compare sa Toyota Hiace Commuter.

Disadvantages

- 1 Airbag (Driver side only)
- Nagbabawas ng langis kapag bago? (Not sure about this, nabasa ko lang po sa thread ng Nissan Navara NV300 due to break in pa ang engine? at the same time, both vehicles share the YD engine series) Please confirm if totoo po ito kasi never naman namin na experience ito with our Toyota Hiace)
- Slight higher fuel consumption (Not sure about this, may naka usap kasi kami and he said na medyo may kalakasan sa fuel ang Nissan Urvan NV350 compare sa Hiace. Pero I'm thinking na due to break-in period pa ang Nissan Urvan kaya malakas? Please confirm po)
- 3 jump seats compare vs Toyota Hiace na 1 jump seat lang
- Maintenance (Again, sabi ng iba na medyo pricey ang maintenance ng Nissan compare sa Toyota)


So far, ayan palang po ang nakukuha ko information about Nissan Urvan NV350. Please mga sir, help us decide kung ano po ang kukunin namin na unit for our van rental business. Thank you tsikot and more power.

[rna800]

Halos same lang naman itong dalawa na ito.

If I am going to use it for both business and personal, I will try the NV350 for a change.

But for purely business, I will go with the Commuter. It might only have those power ratings but enough na un to do its purpose. At least its engine is not the likes of Crosswind, Adventure and Urvan na kahit purely pang business, I wouldn't consider driving.

[ramones283]

Merong kaming urvan escapade, i can say na medyo ma presyo talaga mga pyesa ng urvan but unlike other vans, bihira lang mag palit ng parts. 7 years na escapade namin at nasa 350k+ KM na nalakbay. at major problem lang is ung temperature nya kaya nag palagay kami ng 3 rows radiator.

[GTi]

I'd go for the Urvan. Despite being new, I'm seeing quite a lot of them already. Besides, ABS CBN bought a whole fleet of them. The extra power would be very welcome, especially if you run steep slopes fully loaded often.

[jaggerx3]

Maganda yung urvan maluwag seats compared sa commuter. Pero personal preference ayaw ko ng side facing na mga upuan

[Ronnie Cubilla]

Para sakin i choose hi ace commuter pa rin because subok mo na in long years unlike sa new all features ang nissan nv350 pag bago maglalabasan na ang sakit nyan.. in 1 to 3 yrs ok pa yan kasi bago pa.. di natin alam in na long run at more years pa.

[jaggerx3]

May access ba sa fluids like brake, washer and coolant sa front yung NV350?

[dr. d]

my beef with the hiace, is that it's BIG.
hard to maneuver in our tight neighborhood.. too tall or long or wide for some garages (basement hotel parking comes to mind).
and you need to be an acrobat to get up on the front seat.

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my beef with the hiace, is that it's BIG.
hard to maneuver in our tight neighborhood.. too tall or long or wide for some garages (basement hotel parking comes to mind).
and you need to be an acrobat to get up on the front seat.

[rna800]

^
It depends on the variant of Hiace. GL & SG variants are taller and wider than the Commuter.

[akosijhay]

Thank you mga sir sa inputs, so far hindi pa rin kami makapag decide kung ano ang kukunin. Ok na sana kami sa Commuter kaso ung rear aircon lang ang problema. Natatandaan ung previous trip ko sa Ilocos Norte last holy week, ung mga passengers ko from 3rd to 4th row pawis na pawis dahil hindi na halos umaabot ang lamig sa likod (kahit na may additional blower sa likod gaya sa mga UV express). How about ung rear aircon ng bagong NV350 kaya? Masyado na kasi pricey ang Grandia kaya between Commuter at NV350 lang pinag pipilian namin. If ever na isolated case lang sa Nissan Navara ung nagbabawas ng langis, siguro Nissan Urvan nalang kunin namin. Any feedbacks from owners of new Nissan Urvan? Kamusta po ang overall performance neto? Salamat.

[Wh1stl3r2]

Thank you mga sir sa inputs, so far hindi pa rin kami makapag decide kung ano ang kukunin. Ok na sana kami sa Commuter kaso ung rear aircon lang ang problema. Natatandaan ung previous trip ko sa Ilocos Norte last holy week, ung mga passengers ko from 3rd to 4th row pawis na pawis dahil hindi na halos umaabot ang lamig sa likod (kahit na may additional blower sa likod gaya sa mga UV express). How about ung rear aircon ng bagong NV350 kaya? Masyado na kasi pricey ang Grandia kaya between Commuter at NV350 lang pinag pipilian namin. If ever na isolated case lang sa Nissan Navara ung nagbabawas ng langis, siguro Nissan Urvan nalang kunin namin. Any feedbacks from owners of new Nissan Urvan? Kamusta po ang overall performance neto? Salamat.

We (actually a relative) have a 12 seater nv350. No oil consumption noticed yet as it has only run <800 Kms. Aside from the advantages you mentioned nv350 also has load sensing valve for the rear brakes, which helps with brake bias when loaded. Disadvantages: nv350 has no ABS. Leaf spring on the soft side so may sag earlier than hiace if loaded up all the time. But after having ridden in an nv350 I wouldn't ride in a hiace commuter or even a super grandia for that matter. Ride quality is night and day.

As for the np300 navara oil consumption my money is on the factory fill oil being too thin. I used to have that problem in my d40 navara before. Turns out to be vaporized oil getting into the turbo plenum. When I changed to a good quality synthetic oil consumption disappeared. It can't be blow by as these are new engines.

[paulo39]

Thank you mga sir sa inputs, so far hindi pa rin kami makapag decide kung ano ang kukunin. Ok na sana kami sa Commuter kaso ung rear aircon lang ang problema. Natatandaan ung previous trip ko sa Ilocos Norte last holy week, ung mga passengers ko from 3rd to 4th row pawis na pawis dahil hindi na halos umaabot ang lamig sa likod (kahit na may additional blower sa likod gaya sa mga UV express). How about ung rear aircon ng bagong NV350 kaya? Masyado na kasi pricey ang Grandia kaya between Commuter at NV350 lang pinag pipilian namin. If ever na isolated case lang sa Nissan Navara ung nagbabawas ng langis, siguro Nissan Urvan nalang kunin namin. Any feedbacks from owners of new Nissan Urvan? Kamusta po ang overall performance neto? Salamat.

Yung nv350 na binili ko last oct28, 2015 ang problema ko ngayon. NagbabawAs ng engine coolant at oil. Pabalikbalik ako sa casa pero ang sabi ay normal lang daw. Dadalhin ulit sa casa ngayong araw at di ko kukunin kung di sasabihin ang dahilan ng pagbawas at kung hindi rin nila magawa.

[GTi]

The detuned 1KD brings the Hiace up to the NV350's level in terms of power. Though now there's the fuel consumption and significant price hike to think about.

[iridescent]

Matagtag ang Hiace Grandia. Lalo na ang Hiace Commuter.

Kung Commuter vs. new Urvan, sa Urvan na ako.

[effsandoval]

I would probably go with Nissan. I like how their diesel engine performs.

[Wh1stl3r2]

The detuned 1KD brings the Hiace up to the NV350's level in terms of power. Though now there's the fuel consumption and significant price hike to think about.

Just curious, what's the output of the 1KD in the Hiace? In the city the 1KD in the old Hilux is thirsty compared to current gen diesels. No local info as Toyota ph website still lists Hiace with the old 2.5L engine.

[GTi]

Just curious, what's the output of the 1KD in the Hiace? In the city the 1KD in the old Hilux is thirsty compared to current gen diesels. No local info as Toyota ph website still lists Hiace with the old 2.5L engine.

The 1KD Hiace has long been available in Australia. It makes 100kW*3400rpm and 300Nm*1200rpm according to Australian specs. The lack of 4WD and lower power output should make it more fuel efficient, though by how much remains to be seen.

[dishcom]

Kumusta ang aircon ng nv350 vs commuter? Sino mas ok? Pag punuan kasi di kaya ng aircon ng commuter. Dapat talaga mag lagay ka sa gita ng blower.