brandnew '06 vs brandnew '04

[louien]

We're choosing between a civic 1.8 ('06) and a jazz 1.3 ('04). I seem to have an apprehension buying a brandnew - old model car. Any basis for my seemingly irrational concern (I'm thinking along the lines of resale value...)? Thanks!

[empy]

what is a "brand new '04"?

is it a 3 year old car that hasn't been titled yet? if so, keep in mind that it is already depreciated even though it hasn't been owned by anybody. if you sell it in 1 year it's still a 4 year old car (but with very low mileage)

also, how well has it been stored and maintained without an owner for all these years?

[mazdamazda]

baka naman he's pertaining to the model year when the car was first introduced (2004)?

[louien]

Sorry for the confusion, let me clarify. When I say brandnew '04, isn't it that the jazz Honda is currently selling is a '04 model that just had a facelift? Compared to the civic that was released last year... how will they compare 3, 5 years from now? Thanks again!

[louien]

mr. mazdamazda's right - that is what I was (unsuccessfully ) trying to say!

[IMm29]

what are your priorities? if you've got the budget, i'd go for the civic.

as regards the argument, technically even if the city was introduced in 2004, it's still being sold as a 2006 or 2007 model, so resale shouldn't suffer much. but in terms of technology, the civic would definitely have the advancements since it's a current model.

[louien]

Haven't really thought re: technological advancements - but is it really that significant?

As per priorities, well... to be honest we're attracted to the fuel efficiency of the jazz... that's it, but we really like the look of the new civic... I think I'm just trying to convince myself that the civic is a better choice between the two by starting this thread and making such an argument comparing an old model car to a new one

[basti08]

baka NOS/New Old Stock.

04 look Jazz due to discounts vs. 06 Civic. if the Jazz can serve your needs well... why not?

but the newer Civic is bigger and more appealing to me.

[mbeige]

Are you waiting for us to tell you what you want to hear, or what you want us to say?

If you're just trying to convince yourself that the Civic is a better choice, go for the Jazz.

[Alpha_One]

We have both an '04 Jazz and a '06 Civic. I must say I like both cars a lot. If this is to be my first car, I'd pick the JAZZ.

Honda Jazz
Pros
-Much more practical - the space is very versatile
-Very economical
-The CVT A/T transmission is very smooth, although it takes a little getting used to
-Excellent headroom (hatch eh), good legroom, although it's quite narrow okey lang

Cons
-NVH is bad
-The ride is outright rubbish! (hell our '92 Charade has a better ride!)
-I don't like the stock stereo (1.3 A/T model), but that's just me.
-No temperature gauge, idiot light only!
-The 1.3 model is rather slow

Honda Civic
Pros
-Very good power
-1.8 model is surprisingly economical
-Automatic tranny's very good
-Stereo's got AUX in and MP3 capabilities
-Good headroom and legroom

Cons
-Boot (trunk) space is terrible. Sana nag space-saver tire nalang sila for the spare.
-Damn dashboard is too damn long!
-Rear door is quite long, minsan mahirap lumabas pag makitid yung parking.
-NVH could be better. The Altis and the Focus/Mazda 3 does better here.
-Hard/impossible to upgrade integrated stock stereo. It's quite good enough for me with AUX in and MP3 capability but if you're a modder/audiophile this will definitely turn you off.

[imontherhythm]

i'd get the civic. why?

new face.
kinda fast.
like what someone said ^^ it seems economical.
pogi points.




chick magnet.

hehehe. go over the civic.

[louien]

Really appreciate your responses especially re: the pros and cons of the two.

Now I guess it's still not clear to me re: the value of both cars in a couple of years. As when you think about it, the jazz is due for a replacement - new model - in, maybe 2-3 years time?, unlike the civic which will last for what, another 5?

Should this be reason enough to go with the civic? (as apparently the civic is fuel efficient to a certain degree which is the reason why we wanted a jazz)

Of course I wouldn't mind you telling me what I wanted to hear - but I'd really appreciate it if you tell me what you think.

Thanks again for all the input!

[louien]

Maybe the title should be changed as it caused some confusion? jazz '06 (model introduced '04) vs civic '06/'07 (model introduced '06)

[oldblue]

go for civic.

[IMm29]

louien,

now that the pros and cons have been listed (in detail by Alpha One), it's actually up to you now to decide which car you'll get. either way, they'll have good resale value, if this is your concern, because of their 'H' badge. i would worry less about resale and more about the product you're getting when you go for either unit. visit the showrooms, get a test ride and a test drive and see for yourself which meets your requirements. do you actually need the cargo space and flexibility that the Jazz can give you? is the space in the Civic good enough for your use? would you choose power over economy or vice-versa?

[niky]

+1 to what Alpha One says. It's all spot on.

RE: rear door? I've always felt it was the fronts that were kinda long.

There are some differences underneath for the current Jazz versus the old one. The ride is still brittle as glass, but the steering is firmer. I'm not sure if it receives the same rear stabilizer upgrade as the City, but the Jazz has always felt nicer to drive anyway.

RE: Resale Value: Yes, in general, a newer vehicle will have better resale value down the line, but economical vehicles tend to hold their value better, and despite the fact that the Civic 1.8 is economical for a 1.8, it's still a 1.8 and a bigger car, which will affect buyer perception when you're selling.

I don't expect resale value to be bad, but that factor will balance out the fact that the Jazz will be outdated earlier. Remember, people are still selling first generation Honda Cities (no amenities at all!) for the same as Civic 1.5s of the same time.

In other words, don't think about it. Diyan ka na kung saan ka masaya.

[Alpha_One]

RE: rear door? I've always felt it was the fronts that were kinda long.

The Civic belongs to the folks. Lagi lang akong pasahero.

Hence I only notice the rear doors being somewhat of a parking hindrance. The wheel well blocks your exit too making the problem worse. No big deal really, but it's a nuisance that I find notable.

The car's shape does have its drawbacks (long doors, the football-field dashboard, slightly reduced visibility).

[IMm29]

Yeah, that's one grand-piano-sized dash on the Civic.

[louien]

I know that at the end of the day, it's really up to us to decide which one to get.

But still, I really appreciate your feedbacck on this matter. I may not be as active as some of you guys in posting, but I consider the forums here as the best online source for whatever that is car related.

Godspeed to everyone!

[vinj]

Pick one that would suit your needs better... Civic definitely has more space and more power with good fuel economy figures (for a 1.8L). Test drive!

On resale value, i would say both would just depreciate at nearly the same rate if you're looking at a 1.3 Jazz vs. 1.8L Civic. If it's a 1.5L Jazz then i think the Civic is a better buy since the price difference betwen the 1.5L Jazz and 1.8L Civic isnt far-off.

My .02 If i were in your shoes, i'd probably put the cash out for the Civic.