Which car good for A/T

[tradewind26]

Guys ask ko lang which is best for A/T. Alin mura maintenance, good FC and mura PMS? My budget is limited, kaya puro not the sport variants nilista ko..hehe...Thanks

Jazz [SIZE=2]1.3 S AT[/SIZE]
Fiesta 1.6 Powershift Trend 4 Dr
Mazda2 [SIZE=2]1.5L 4-Door AT[/SIZE][SIZE=2] Sedan [/SIZE]
Vios [SIZE=2]1.3E [/SIZE][SIZE=2]A[/SIZE][SIZE=2]T[/SIZE]
City [SIZE=2]1.3 S [/SIZE][SIZE=2]AT[/SIZE]

[ghosthunter]

What is your budget (more or less).

Have you also considered the Toyota Yaris 1.5L?

[tradewind26]

The prices of these cars are 700k+... I have not yet check the Toyota yaris. Would you mind sharing any insights.

[tidus1203]

Halos same price lang din Yaris dyan sa listahan mo, baka mas mura pa kasi dahil sa discounts (walang bumibili eh )...

[GTi]

On paper, the Fiesta has the most advanced transmission and the most powerful engine. But many say that it's not as good as it seems. And that its performance is not that far better from the its much more technically inferior brother, the Mazda 2's. The 1.3E Vios is immediately out of the list since its easily the weakest among the bunch and comes with just a 4 speed tranny. The 1.3 Jazz/City are nice, but not as powerful as the Fiesta. Given your choices, I'd still pick the Fiesta but in hatch form, both the Fiesta and Mazda 2 look just ugly in its sedan guise. If it was the Jazz 1.5 in the comparo though, it would be a different story.

BTW, are you really looking for A/T's only? There are some good manuals out there like the Accent 1.4GL which, I believe, you can have Hyundai install the bells and whistles if you want.

[tradewind26]

On paper, the Fiesta has the most advanced transmission and the most powerful engine. But many say that it's not as good as it seems. And that its performance is not that far better from the its much more technically inferior brother, the Mazda 2's. The 1.3E Vios is immediately out of the list since its easily the weakest among the bunch and comes with just a 4 speed tranny. The 1.3 Jazz/City are nice, but not as powerful as the Fiesta. Given your choices, I'd still pick the Fiesta but in hatch form, both the Fiesta and Mazda 2 look just ugly in its sedan guise. If it was the Jazz 1.5 in the comparo though, it would be a different story.

BTW, are you really looking for A/T's only? There are some good manuals out there like the Accent 1.4GL which, I believe, you can have Hyundai install the bells and whistles if you want.

Thanks for your opinion. Yes im only looking for A/T, grandma would like to drive it sometimes. I also agree that Fiesta is the best among the list, but im little bit hesitant with the Cramp legroom and headroom at the rearseats. Jazz still wins in Space, but 1.3 A/T is really just enough for the car and nothing really special. I am opting Fiesta Sedan, but i not sure though when i test drive both cars.. Still thinking hatch or sedan

I more thing, does mazda2 really lacks some features as what the other review said?

[tidus1203]

Mazda 2 has enough features naman especially compared to Jazz or Yaris pero compared to the Fiesta its lacking... But since Trend lang din kukunin mo, I guess features wise patas lang silang lahat its just the Fiesta Sport that is really loaded... The MZ2 and Fiesta have similar legroom naman and go re-check it kasi ganun din kala ko dati sa Fiesta during my quick inspection when it was launched in last year's PIMS pero when I got a 2nd chance to inspect it more thoroughly in the dealer it was sufficient naman...

I 2nd the motion if ever you choose a Fiesta get the hatchback for a bonus 1000 pts in pogi...

[tradewind26]

Hahaha.. 1000 pogi points talaga eh no... Im not really into pogi points. Sapat na sa akin yung average looks.. I actually thinking of getting the Sedan for more baggage space, incase family might go for some trips.. I really like the hatchback, but the baggage space might not be enough. Decision might still change when i see it in actual.

[scharnhorst]

Thanks for your opinion. Yes im only looking for A/T, grandma would like to drive it sometimes. I also agree that Fiesta is the best among the list, but im little bit hesitant with the Cramp legroom and headroom at the rearseats. Jazz still wins in Space, but 1.3 A/T is really just enough for the car and nothing really special. I am opting Fiesta Sedan, but i not sure though when i test drive both cars.. Still thinking hatch or sedan

I more thing, does mazda2 really lacks some features as what the other review said?

in my opinion, the mazda2 sedan looks better than its fiesta sedan counterpart... especially from the rear.

but looks are subjective.



the mazda2 sedan doesn't have the following:
1)USB support
2)Multi-information display
3)Wide angle side mirrors
4)E-Z capless fuel system
5)separate interior lights for the passenger and the driver

but... compared to its trend counterpart (pag sa sport vs. sport wala talaga ang daming stuff ng sport fiesta)
1) the mazda 2 *feels* more spacious due to a larger greenhouse
2) steering wheel audio controls (love this feature)
3) "open" glove box
4) fuel filler cap that locks with the door locks (if you're worried about this)
5) fog lights as standard
6) backup sensors as standard (but you could probably get this for the fiesta, kung mabait SA mo. hehe.)

and there are the other small touches in the mazda 2... like the ram air intake, the multi-hinge bootlid (compared to the gooseneck in the fiesta), the fuel filler cap is welded onto its holder, and the engine bay looks neater.

in terms of driving, the mazda2 is said to be more exciting near the limit, probably because it doesn't have the electronic stability program that the fiesta has. but it has the sharper steering and in terms of driving performance, the 4AT in the mazda is as good as the 6DCT in the fiesta due to its gearing. (the mazda2 is a tad bit faster to the hundred mark than the fiesta, if I remember)

the baggage space in the mazda2/fiesta is big. and if you really have to bring a 40 inch flatscreen, the rear seats fold down for even more space

if you want to get a jazz.. erm, I suggest waiting for the upcoming one with the updated engine and new CVT. not sure when that's gonna come out, though.

in terms of driving, the 1.3 city/jazz looks powerful on paper, but as they say... there's no replacement for displacement (better torque delivery in the mazda 2 and fiesta). And that 5 speed A/T confers little in the way of fuel economy (the 4A/T of the mazda 2 cruises at 2,700-2800 RPM, while the 5A/T of the city/jazz has it at 2,500. the 6A/T of the fiesta does it in 2,300 RPM, though.)

to answer your question in the mazda2 thread...

the cost of maintenance among the three cars is probably the same, due to the 10k service intervals for all of them. Mazda gives the 1k and 10k PMS for free, though.

Parts... Mahal parts nitong tatlong kotse na to for sure. Casa pa kasi.

but regarding maintenance, in the long term, I foresee no problems with either the ford or mazda. It may be harder to find parts for the mazford cousins due to their very recent release, but I'm sure parts will be more available as more and more cars get out of their warranty period. We have an 11 year old ford ranger (and used to have a 2nd gen CR-V) and we've no problems sourcing parts for either of them.

[tidus1203]

You forgot one exteremy neat safety feature the Fiesta Trend 1.6 PS has that the Mazda 2 does not nor any of the others like Yaris and Jazz don't. That's the ESP or ESC (that what they call it in the US) short for Electronic Stability Program/Control... It modulates the steering electronically to avoid skidding during evasive manuevers... It is a required safety feature in all 2012 US car models and any car without it can't be sold in the US by 2012... So you can see the importance of it as far as the US DOT (Dept. of Transportation and its NTHSA agency) is concerned...

As for the Fiesta's gearing, the Tsikot.com Fiesta boys found a solution around that and made the shifting shorter and smoother... It involves resetting the ECU but its a simple process and I can confirm its effectiveness... Thanks to ryandude for the tip!