2023 Ford Everest 2.0 Trend vs 2023 Toyota Fortuner 2.4 V

[justin_]

Currently in the market for a new diesel midsize SUV for our family of 5 adults. The car will be a daily driver for me (late 20s) and my mom (50s) within the metro and for occasional trips to the province. My car plan allows for a maximum Php 2M budget and company policy prohibits me from adding in case the vehicle SRP goes above Php 2M even if I am willing to cover the extra costs using personal funds.

Current household fleet includes a 2007 Honda Civic (sold but repurchased again as my brother's college car), 2015 Ford Ecosport, 2016 Toyota Fortuner V, 2017 Toyota Hilux G, and 2018 Honda Civic.

Right now, we are looking at the following SUV options that do not break the 2M price-barrier:
- 2023 Ford Everest Trend: Php 1,799,000
- 2023 Toyota Fortuner 2.4 V: Php 1,973,000 (white pearl)

Features-wise, I am leaning towards the Everest Trend as it has the most bang-for-the buck in the segment, particularly in this specific variant. However, my parents are saying they are not opposed to getting another Fortuner because it would mean I get to maximize the car plan benefit, since any excess is not convertible to cash.

They are also suggesting that I consider any of the following TOTL pick-ups, since they also fall within the budget:
- 2023 Ford Ranger 4x4 Wildtrak
- 2023 Toyota Hilux 4x4 Conquest
- 2023 Nissan Navara 4x4 Pro-4x

While I'm also tempted to maximize the benefit as much as possible, I don't think I would feel very contented with another Fortuner as it is essentially the same car, just with some minor upgrades (improved HU w/ Apple Carplay/Android Auto, 360-cameras, additional airbags) but also some glaring downgrades (2023 V loses the leather seats, power tailgate, cruise control) from our current Fortuner. Nor am I too keen on getting a pick-up because I do not really have any use for the bed, which would just be deadweight 95% of the time.

Not really considering upgrading the Everest variant either, given that the upgrades from the Trend to the Limited (front parking sensors, "claw" taillamps, different wheel design, dual-zone AC, power tailgate, rain-sensing wipers, illuminated mirror on driver's sun visor, additional 12-volt power outlet, and additional USB ports on the second row) do not appear to be worth the Php 220k difference. While I do like the looks of the Titanium (particularly in the equinox brown color), it is unfortunately way out of budget as well.

We are quite limited to the above choices as we're not really keen on getting the Montero GLS (too narrow, not a fan of the design) or the Terra VE (spartan interior).

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks in advance!

[bxr monkey]

Gusto ko porma ng Everest. Since may Ecosport kayo, okay naman ang ownership at maintenance experience sa Ford? Though mas okay sa maintenance ang Toyota in general.

Okay na alternates, Toyota Innova 2.8 V or Zenix 2.0 Q hybrid. Ganda ng interior ng Zenix. Hindi nga lang diesel.

[111prez]

So far cost of ownership of the 2023 Ford Everest is quite low and manageable.

150,000 km or 5 year warranty, every 10,000 km PMS only, change oil only if the oil level is 20% (so far my oil level is 60% so I will probably change this at the 30K PMS only), and so far averaging 11.9 km/liter fuel economy on mixed city and highway driving.

total spent for the 1st 10K PMS was only Php1,325.71

[travajante]

Within warranty, a Ford can work. Planning to keep it beyond? Hands down, a Toyota.

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[gongrhey]

Have you compared the interior space? The current everest has grown wider and longer than the previous gen. I am bias towards the ford.

[H1Tman]

I say do a test drive. Let ride comfort decide. Maybe the Everest will win.

[111prez]

Went through the same process and not just me but with my important passengers in tow.

Hands down in terms of interior space, comfort and ride quality, it was the Everest. The decision on the 3rd row seat was material. Fuel economy is better than my old MS VGT .

Was prepared to chew the "high" maintenance cost but was pleasantly surprised how it turned out. The 5 year warranty is a big plus since I only had 1 vehicle in my life (the MS VGT) that went beyond 150T km before being dispatched. Assuming I will sell this by the time it hits 120T km, it will still be under warranty and a plus to the buyer.

The bells and whistles offered by the Fortuner was not a deal maker. I am too old school and some I can really do without (lane changing, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring). I could also do without the panoramic sunroof but my most important passengers loved this. I could not care much about the ambient lighting inside but it came stock, so okay lang. That all the 4 windows are power open and close was another plus for me. Loved the extra features like the Ford pass and knowing where the car was. I was able to check this even when out of the country.

I did not want the built in TPMS. Had a bad experience with this when the batteries ran out on my MS VGT and replacing it cost and arm and a leg. I am happier with a third party TPMS. Easier to replace the batteries and disposable when needed as they are relatively cheap.

Mind you I am not Ford fan. I heard about the horror stories also. But knowing that this model is Thai built, long warranty, the dealer is very near my place, and I know the dealership's manager and owner was a big help in making me the final decision.

So far, no regrets.

Issues so far? Only one loose tail plate lamp which the dealer immediately replaced with a brand new one. The clip broke and the assembly of both lamps appear "flimsy" so just take extra care. Other than that, I do not miss the regular 5T km oil change and checkup that I did for my older diesels.

Not here to convince you to get the Everest. Just relaying my experience thus far.

Get what makes you happy, and will keep you happy for the next 100,000km so so.

[justin_]

Went through the same process and not just me but with my important passengers in tow.

Hands down in terms of interior space, comfort and ride quality, it was the Everest. The decision on the 3rd row seat was material. Fuel economy is better than my old MS VGT .

Was prepared to chew the "high" maintenance cost but was pleasantly surprised how it turned out. The 5 year warranty is a big plus since I only had 1 vehicle in my life (the MS VGT) that went beyond 150T km before being dispatched. Assuming I will sell this by the time it hits 120T km, it will still be under warranty and a plus to the buyer.

The bells and whistles offered by the Fortuner was not a deal maker. I am too old school and some I can really do without (lane changing, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring). I could also do without the panoramic sunroof but my most important passengers loved this. I could not care much about the ambient lighting inside but it came stock, so okay lang. That all the 4 windows are power open and close was another plus for me. Loved the extra features like the Ford pass and knowing where the car was. I was able to check this even when out of the country.

I did not want the built in TPMS. Had a bad experience with this when the batteries ran out on my MS VGT and replacing it cost and arm and a leg. I am happier with a third party TPMS. Easier to replace the batteries and disposable when needed as they are relatively cheap.

Mind you I am not Ford fan. I heard about the horror stories also. But knowing that this model is Thai built, long warranty, the dealer is very near my place, and I know the dealership's manager and owner was a big help in making me the final decision.

So far, no regrets.

Issues so far? Only one loose tail plate lamp which the dealer immediately replaced with a brand new one. The clip broke and the assembly of both lamps appear "flimsy" so just take extra care. Other than that, I do not miss the regular 5T km oil change and checkup that I did for my older diesels.

Not here to convince you to get the Everest. Just relaying my experience thus far.

Get what makes you happy, and will keep you happy for the next 100,000km so so.

Thank you for this very detailed feedback! Interesting to see the experience of someone who used to be in the same spot as me. Since you’ve mentioned lane departure assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring, ambient lighting, and panoramic sunroof, I’m assuming you were choosing between the Everest Titanium and Fortuner Q/LTD, and ultimately went for the Everest Titanium.

How long have you had the Everest? And how long did you have to wait for stocks to arrive? I’ve been told new stocks will be arriving this July, so I’m hoping for a short wait should I eventually decide to go for the Everest.

[justin_]

Just a thought, you were talking about maximizing the benefit so I assume this is just service time bound, no cost to you, even if you don't complete the term, so if you really like the Ford and don't feel that the additional 220k is worth it to upgrade, it's still your best bet to maximize the benefit.

If you are not allowed to shoulder the 19k difference, then maybe a formal offer of 19k discount from the dealer to bring down the total price to 2M would work? If yes, I'm confident that the discount can be negotiated whether you get it free or pay for it outside the official offer.

Negotiate with the sales rep and manager that you will pay them the commission yourself ... just to bring down the price to the level you want / need ...

These are quite interesting suggestions. I will check if this is something that I could arrange, in which case I might be able to upgrade the Everest to a Limited rather than a Trend — making the Ford (my first choice were it not for the price) the clear winner in this comparo.

after discounts, the montero black series is just below 2 mil. i believe its the most feature packed suv below 2mil

My family and I are not the biggest fans of the Montero. I personally never found this generation appealing. Also, I believe it’s the narrowest in its class, and that really translates in its rather snug interior space. With five adults in the family, it would be quite a squeeze if we all ride together in the Montero.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the features of this more premium variant of the Montero also found in the similarly priced variants of its competitors (Fortuner V/Q, Everest Limited, Terra VL, CRV S Diesel)?

[111prez]

Thank you for this very detailed feedback! Interesting to see the experience of someone who used to be in the same spot as me. Since you’ve mentioned lane departure assist, adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring, ambient lighting, and panoramic sunroof, I’m assuming you were choosing between the Everest Titanium and Fortuner Q/LTD, and ultimately went for the Everest Titanium.

How long have you had the Everest? And how long did you have to wait for stocks to arrive? I’ve been told new stocks will be arriving this July, so I’m hoping for a short wait should I eventually decide to go for the Everest.

Spot on. It was a choice between the Ford Everest Titanium and the Toyota Fortuner LTD.

I got my unit last 18 August 2022. It was the second one released by the dealer. Also got the color I wanted. Truth be told, the 4x4 was enticing but after some thought, evaluation and weighing all the pros and cons including usage, the 4x2 variant came out the most advantageous to me.

The unit even came with a letter from the Ford Plant in Thailand saying that it already logged 40km in the odometer due to it being picked for testing prior to shipping. I don't mind the extra 40km so long as I know it was tested before being shipped and sold and the kinks, if any, worked out or remedied.

[papi smith]

Currently in the market for a new diesel midsize SUV for our family of 5 adults. The car will be a daily driver for me (late 20s) and my mom (50s) within the metro and for occasional trips to the province. My car plan allows for a maximum Php 2M budget and company policy prohibits me from adding in case the vehicle SRP goes above Php 2M even if I am willing to cover the extra costs using personal funds.

Current household fleet includes a 2007 Honda Civic (sold but repurchased again as my brother's college car), 2015 Ford Ecosport, 2016 Toyota Fortuner V, 2017 Toyota Hilux G, and 2018 Honda Civic.

Right now, we are looking at the following SUV options that do not break the 2M price-barrier:
- 2023 Ford Everest Trend: Php 1,799,000
- 2023 Toyota Fortuner 2.4 V: Php 1,973,000 (white pearl)

Features-wise, I am leaning towards the Everest Trend as it has the most bang-for-the buck in the segment, particularly in this specific variant. However, my parents are saying they are not opposed to getting another Fortuner because it would mean I get to maximize the car plan benefit, since any excess is not convertible to cash.

They are also suggesting that I consider any of the following TOTL pick-ups, since they also fall within the budget:
- 2023 Ford Ranger 4x4 Wildtrak
- 2023 Toyota Hilux 4x4 Conquest
- 2023 Nissan Navara 4x4 Pro-4x

While I'm also tempted to maximize the benefit as much as possible, I don't think I would feel very contented with another Fortuner as it is essentially the same car, just with some minor upgrades (improved HU w/ Apple Carplay/Android Auto, 360-cameras, additional airbags) but also some glaring downgrades (2023 V loses the leather seats, power tailgate, cruise control) from our current Fortuner. Nor am I too keen on getting a pick-up because I do not really have any use for the bed, which would just be deadweight 95% of the time.

Not really considering upgrading the Everest variant either, given that the upgrades from the Trend to the Limited (front parking sensors, "claw" taillamps, different wheel design, dual-zone AC, power tailgate, rain-sensing wipers, illuminated mirror on driver's sun visor, additional 12-volt power outlet, and additional USB ports on the second row) do not appear to be worth the Php 220k difference. While I do like the looks of the Titanium (particularly in the equinox brown color), it is unfortunately way out of budget as well.

We are quite limited to the above choices as we're not really keen on getting the Montero GLS (too narrow, not a fan of the design) or the Terra VE (spartan interior).

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks in advance!

Just a thought, you were talking about maximizing the benefit so I assume this is just service time bound, no cost to you, even if you don't complete the term, so if you really like the Ford and don't feel that the additional 220k is worth it to upgrade, it's still your best bet to maximize the benefit.

If you are not allowed to shoulder the 19k difference, then maybe a formal offer of 19k discount from the dealer to bring down the total price to 2M would work? If yes, I'm confident that the discount can be negotiated whether you get it free or pay for it outside the official offer.

[Walter]

Negotiate with the sales rep and manager that you will pay them the commission yourself ... just to bring down the price to the level you want / need ...

[tsupermario]

after discounts, the montero black series is just below 2 mil. i believe its the most feature packed suv below 2mil

[justin_]

Gusto ko porma ng Everest. Since may Ecosport kayo, okay naman ang ownership at maintenance experience sa Ford? Though mas okay sa maintenance ang Toyota in general.

Okay na alternates, Toyota Innova 2.8 V or Zenix 2.0 Q hybrid. Ganda ng interior ng Zenix. Hindi nga lang diesel.

Just had one major repair with the Ecosport's DCT, but it was replaced through warranty naman. Medyo matagal ang parts hinintay, but other than that no more issues. The Toyotas and Hondas have been more reliable though, needing nothing more than regular PMS.

This car will be self-driven, and the best seats in the Innova V or the Zenix Q are the second row captain seats, so we wouldn’t really be able to maximize those (although the Zenix’s coding exemption does sound enticing TBH).

So far cost of ownership of the 2023 Ford Everest is quite low and manageable.

150,000 km or 5 year warranty, every 10,000 km PMS only, change oil only if the oil level is 20% (so far my oil level is 60% so I will probably change this at the 30K PMS only), and so far averaging 11.9 km/liter fuel economy on mixed city and highway driving.

total spent for the 1st 10K PMS was only Php1,325.71

Thanks for this! Glad to hear you’re enjoying the ownership experience so far.

Within warranty, a Ford can work. Planning to keep it beyond? Hands down, a Toyota.

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Toyota’s bulletproof reliability really is hard to ignore, but so are the features and the looks of the new Everest. Really quite torn between what the mind and what the heart says.

Have you compared the interior space? The current everest has grown wider and longer than the previous gen. I am bias towards the ford.

I say do a test drive. Let ride comfort decide. Maybe the Everest will win.

I’d say the interior space is quite good on both and not really worlds apart, except for the third row since the Fortuner is now the only SUV without fold flat seats. With the all-leather interior though, the Everest feels more premium than the Toyota which downgraded its seat and door siding materials to fabric (a crime at its 1.9++M price point). As to the ride quality, the Everest feels marginally more comfortable than the Fortuner.

[gongrhey]

Congrats on the new purchase. Enjoy your new car.