PMS Rate Comparisons Across Brands

[inkaos78]

Browsing through the forums, seems like on the whole PMS expenses is a big concern and non-essential items being added by casas to the PMS checklists/costs. I know rates are also dependent on dealerships but which brands do you find to have the most reasonable casa PMS rates? On a related note, which brands are lacking in after sales support? I think this will helpful in determining total cost of ownership for new/prospective car owners. TIA.

[StockEngine]

So far only Honda says 50,000php for 5-years for the CR-V. I wonder how much it costs to maintain the Honda City/Jazz.

[Egan101]

So far only Honda says 50,000php for 5-years for the CR-V. I wonder how much it costs to maintain the Honda City/Jazz.

Assuming no major part is broken, Honda PMS cost for the first few years is mostly paying synthetic oils plus the usual services which be is around 5k per every 10k or 6 months. Once you reach 40k KM, that's when you will feel the heavy cost of Honda PMS. ATF/CVTF needs to be replaced, fuel filter, Iridium plugs, and others. For suspension parts and repair, it is better to do it on dedicated suspension shops as most casas will just suggest replacing whole suspension parts rather than checking and diagnosing what's causing "kalampag" or early tire wear for some.

With Ford, it is the same as Honda with the basic change oil services. Those that succumbed to tranny failures past their warranty are taking a toll as it is not cheap. For the newer cars, Ford is now extending warranty of the it tranny services.

[StockEngine]

Assuming no major part is broken, Honda PMS cost for the first few years is mostly paying synthetic oils plus the usual services which be is around 5k per every 10k or 6 months. Once you reach 40k KM, that's when you will feel the heavy cost of Honda PMS. ATF/CVTF needs to be replaced, fuel filter, Iridium plugs, and others. For suspension parts and repair, it is better to do it on dedicated suspension shops as most casas will just suggest replacing whole suspension parts rather than checking and diagnosing what's causing "kalampag" or early tire wear for some.

With Ford, it is the same as Honda with the basic change oil services. Those that succumbed to tranny failures past their warranty are taking a toll as it is not cheap. For the newer cars, Ford is now extending warranty of the it tranny services.

atf/cvt and sparkplugs will cost any car owner naman. still cheaper at 50k for 5 years though.

compare the above cost versus maintenance of diesel fortuners or monteros for 5 years.

[inkaos78]

Good feedback on Honda and Ford. Glad to know Ford maintenance at least for the first few years is reasonable since we have a 4 month old Ecosport AT as the family car. Will inquire with the casa for the extended tranny warranty.

Stock Engine - Are the maintenance costs of all diesels significantly more than gasoline cars? I'm considering the Kia/Hyundai CRDI models for my personal car mainly for the fuel savings...

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Good feedback on Honda and Ford. Glad to know Ford maintenance at least for the first few years is reasonable since we have a 4 month old Ecosport AT as the family car. Will inquire with the casa for the extended tranny warranty.

Stock Engine - Are the maintenance costs of all diesels significantly more than gasoline cars? I'm considering the Kia/Hyundai CRDI models for my personal car mainly for the fuel savings...

[RomeoAlpha]

for my vios, CASA price is roughly between 2.8k for every more or less 1 quarter and there is a 3.8k (plus minus) on the last quarter. so per year around Petot 12,000 using straight OEM and fully synthetic oil.

[StockEngine]

Good feedback on Honda and Ford. Glad to know Ford maintenance at least for the first few years is reasonable since we have a 4 month old Ecosport AT as the family car. Will inquire with the casa for the extended tranny warranty.

Stock Engine - Are the maintenance costs of all diesels significantly more than gasoline cars? I'm considering the Kia/Hyundai CRDI models for my personal car mainly for the fuel savings...

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Good feedback on Honda and Ford. Glad to know Ford maintenance at least for the first few years is reasonable since we have a 4 month old Ecosport AT as the family car. Will inquire with the casa for the extended tranny warranty.

Stock Engine - Are the maintenance costs of all diesels significantly more than gasoline cars? I'm considering the Kia/Hyundai CRDI models for my personal car mainly for the fuel savings...

Sa hyundai pms thread, nakakatakot mga crdi pms quotation lol. fuel savings down the drain.

[inkaos78]

Sa hyundai pms thread, nakakatakot mga crdi pms quotation lol. fuel savings down the drain.

Yikes, ang cute pa naman ng Soul lol! Guess gotta comb thru the Hyundai/Kia threads some more...

[Egan101]

Sa Hyundai (Hari Motors) lang ata yung horror stories sa PMS costs. Yung local Kia dealerships are under a separate group (Colombia Motors).

[inkaos78]

What I gathered reading the forums...

Mazda - No extra PMS costs for first 3 years because of Yojin 3.
Subaru - A bit more expensive maintenance because of AWD.

Personally, I'd like the other manufacturers to take the same approach as Mazda. It's not really free maintenance because you're basically paying it upfront with the car costs but at least it's the standard rate for all and you don't have to stress about being duped/overcharged by the casa.

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What I gathered reading the forums...

Mazda - No extra PMS costs for first 3 years because of Yojin 3.
Subaru - A bit more expensive maintenance because of AWD.

Personally, I'd like the other manufacturers to take the same approach as Mazda. It's not really free maintenance because you're basically paying it upfront with the car costs but at least it's the standard rate for all and you don't have to stress about being duped/overcharged by the casa.

[StockEngine]

I think its like 20k/yr its over priced. imo

[inkaos78]

I think its like 20k/yr its over priced. imo

It's part of the sticker price na and looks like competitive naman ang pricing ng Mazda vs other brands especially with Skyactiv tech and their design aesthetics. I'm curious to hear from Mazda owners if they find significant added value with Yojin 3 vs the conventional setup.

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I think its like 20k/yr its over priced. imo

It's part of the sticker price na and looks like competitive naman ang pricing ng Mazda vs other brands especially with Skyactiv tech and their design aesthetics. I'm curious to hear from Mazda owners if they find significant added value with Yojin 3 vs the conventional setup.

[Horsepower]

If you read across the Mazda thread, they are still paying extra for what is not "covered" under Yojin3. I'm interested in the Mazda6 but that extra cost despite the already forward paid Yojin3 plan is a bit disconcerting.
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Hyundai's PMS cost are SHOCKING too. As in super expensive. WTF is this?? With Santa FE2 before, casa (pasig) allows you to bring your own consumables like oil. Ewan ko lang ngayon.
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As with my daily driver now (Sylphy 1.8V), every 10K, full synthetic oil change).

1,000kms - 2K+ (Full Syn oil) free labor
5,000kms - 2K+ free labor
10,000kms - 5K (Full Syn oil change)

quoted prices: (actual is lower usually by 15%)

15,000kms - 2,103
20,000kms - 8,608(Full Syn Oil change)
25,000kms - 2,103
30,000kms - 6,383 (Full Syn... )

[Egan101]

*Horsepower - those figures from Nissan are quite tempting. That's another plus factor for those shopping for new compacts. By the way, what's the need for a check every 5k? Most cars using synthetic oil is now serviced every 10k km.

[bloowolf]

If you read across the Mazda thread, they are still paying extra for what is not "covered" under Yojin3. I'm interested in the Mazda6 but that extra cost despite the already forward paid Yojin3 plan is a bit disconcerting.
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Hyundai's PMS cost are SHOCKING too. As in super expensive. WTF is this?? With Santa FE2 before, casa (pasig) allows you to bring your own consumables like oil. Ewan ko lang ngayon.
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As with my daily driver now (Sylphy 1.8V), every 10K, full synthetic oil change).

1,000kms - 2K+ (Full Syn oil) free labor
5,000kms - 2K+ free labor
10,000kms - 5K (Full Syn oil change)

quoted prices: (actual is lower usually by 15%)

15,000kms - 2,103
20,000kms - 8,608(Full Syn Oil change)
25,000kms - 2,103
30,000kms - 6,383 (Full Syn... )

What are the extras in the Mazda PMS you have to pay for?

[Horsepower]

Please backread the Mz3 thread. Kahit silang owners nagugulat din. If you think about it, Yojin3 isn't really "free" as free goes (No such thing as free lunch). It was included in the price (which is great, in a way). Pero having to pay more every PMS is a bit uncomfortable knowing you already paid for it. Di ko na nasundan kung lahat ng dealers ganun or iilan lang.

[inkaos78]

Yeah the frequency of Nissan PMS is odd. Reasonable rates pero if you have to go twice as often, mejo offset din yung savings + the lost time you could be spending on something more productive.

[bloowolf]

Please backread the Mz3 thread. Kahit silang owners nagugulat din. If you think about it, Yojin3 isn't really "free" as free goes (No such thing as free lunch). It was included in the price (which is great, in a way). Pero having to pay more every PMS is a bit uncomfortable knowing you already paid for it. Di ko na nasundan kung lahat ng dealers ganun or iilan lang.

It happened in one dealership pala. I guess it's a matter of choosing an honest dealership. Hyundai Alabang & Las Piñas are owned by 1 group, but Alabang service sucks. May add-ons pero di naman gagawin o ilalagay/papalitan. Kaya lumipat na lang ako sa Las Piñas.

[inkaos78]

It happened in one dealership pala. I guess it's a matter of choosing an honest dealership. Hyundai Alabang & Las Piñas are owned by 1 group, but Alabang service sucks. May add-ons pero di naman gagawin o ilalagay/papalitan. Kaya lumipat na lang ako sa Las Piñas.

Hope nareport sa Berjaya. Such practices defeat the purpose of Yojin 3...

[gwapster]

As for the diesel question above, i dont see why modern diesels should cost more to maintain than petrols. I myself have a diesel car and maintenance cost is just similar to my petrol car, both are sedans. Do diesel Monteros and Fortuners require more frequent oil changes? That might explain why those were mentioned above.