The 2010 MVDP: Feat. the "Filipino Car" or Philippine Brand Vehicles

[jpdm]

Even normal business isn't about fair play.

It is always have been about getting the upper hand against your competition.

I should remind you, Im talking about smuggling here. And not about defeating a competitor using superb business plan (legal).

Again, its smuggling.

So its ok to undermine competition by tolerating smuggling, a certified illegal activity, ghosthunter?

Is this what you want to point out?

Tell me.

[ghosthunter]

I should remind you, Im talking about smuggling here. And not about defeating a competitor using superb business plan (legal).

Again, its smuggling.

So its ok to undermine competition by tolerating smuggling, a certified illegal activity, ghosthunter?

Is this what you want to point out?

Tell me.

LOL! Is that all you are so concerned about? Not about the human trafficking, illegal drugs, proverty in general?

Just saying that you can have your illegal smuggling but technical smuggling is something that is done under the current rules of law. It has been done by importers to retailers of consumer goods like soap, shampoo or even skin lotion yet I don't really see anyone making a big deal about those.

Even those byaheros that buy stuff from abroad and bring it in their overpacked luggages and "balikbayan" boxes. Many of them re-sell their stuff at tiangge stalls in the metro. That is still technical smuggling since no import tax was paid for those goods.

Lawyers do the same thing all the time. They use the word of the law to their advantage. Might that be for the morally good or bad, that isn't going to be important.

[uls]

I acknowledge the reality that there are people who smuggle vehicles and definitely engaged in unfair and illegal activity and the government should
agreessively do something about it.


I never claimed that life is fair but the government must make the competition fair between legitimate importers and smugglers.

well, good luck with that vision of yours

THE WORLD DOES NOT WORK ACCORDING TO HOW YOU IT SHOULD IDEALLY WORK

it doesnt and it won't

dream on

there will always be those who do not and will not play by the rules

as i said before, no matter how you regulate it, there will be those who will find ways around rules or break them altogether

that's the way it is

your vision of the govt making everyone play by the rules will remain a vision

you can't stand reality and it's pissing you off

[uls]

BTW, you got the analogy wrong

wolves = faster, sharper, craftier players

sheep = govt? wrong

sheep = dumber, slower players

the govt is the shepherd

the govt protects the sheep from the wolves

that's all the govt can do -- protect the sheep

the govt can't eliminate the wolves

[niky]

Just dropping in to say:

Man, I can't believe you guys are still at it.



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While the government can't stop smuggling, they can always try.

The best way would be the simplest: Remove all import exemptions. All of them. Then make all importation legal. All of it. Just implement taxes properly.

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It's incredibly stupid that we are banning the importation of used cars, when again, we don't see used cars competing with local manufacturing on a level field. (NOTE: Level: In other words... people would rather buy a used Japanese car (whether imported or local) than an owner-type or jeep simply because a used car has more convenience and safety features, and is more modern...)

Stupid because there are many importers who are now bringing in brand new imports at lower prices than the "casas" or with more features for the same price (see Pitstop et al). These guys are a real threat to sales... so much so that Lexus refuses to service these imports, to scare people into not buying these cars.

And yet... they won't act against these legal gray market importers, or even petition against them... because all the manufacturers (even those with local capacity) do it themselves.

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I'm just waiting for someone to figure out that anyone can do the Norkis Trick.

1. Get a manufacturing license.

2. Bring in a car through a freeport. Tax free. Refurbish it. Rebuild the engine, repaint the body. Reupholster the interior.

3. Sell it under your "brand".

4. Profit.

Anybody want to buy a "Niky" Mustang? Made in the Philippines! :hysterical:

[ghosthunter]

Anybody want to buy a "Niky" Mustang? Made in the Philippines! :hysterical:

Maybe if that was a "Speedlab" Mustang.

[niky]

Maybe if that was a "Speedlab" Mustang.

Wait a minute... have to make a few phone calls.

Anyone want to invest in a new auto-company? :hysterical:

[uls]

Just dropping in to say:

Man, I can't believe you guys are still at it.

hehehe

[jpdm]

LOL! Is that all you are so concerned about? Not about the human trafficking, illegal drugs, proverty in general?

And why should I i talk about human trafficking, illegal drugs, poverty in general in MVDP forum?

Just saying that you can have your illegal smuggling but technical smuggling is something that is done under the current rules of law. It has been done by importers to retailers of consumer goods like soap, shampoo or even skin lotion yet I don't really see anyone making a big deal about those.

Even those byaheros that buy stuff from abroad and bring it in their overpacked luggages and "balikbayan" boxes. Many of them re-sell their stuff at tiangge stalls in the metro. That is still technical smuggling since no import tax was paid for those goods.

Lawyers do the same thing all the time. They use the word of the law to their advantage. Might that be for the morally good or bad, that isn't going to be important.

So what is your point then?

Im asking you if smuggling is fair or not. I dont need your lecture about fairness in business.

Again, are these activities you painstakingly enumerated right or wrong? are these allowed by government.

Legal or illegal?

Give a straight answer, instead of spinning around justifying these illegal activities.

[ghosthunter]

And why should I i talk about human trafficking, illegal drugs, poverty in general in MVDP forum?

In the same way that smuggling has to do with the MVDP.

human trafficking: It prevents legitimate employment. And money earned are more often funneled back to their origin countries. For sure illegals won't be buying cars here.

illegal drugs: It prevents proper job performance. If you don't earn enough, a car will be the furthest thing on your mind.

poverty: Simply put, if you don't have money, you won't be buying a car.

So what is your point then?

Im asking you if this is fair or not. Is this allowed by government or not.

Is it right or wrong?

Is it illegal or legal?

Give a straight answer, instead of spinning around justifying these illegal activities.

Im waiting for a straight answer ghosthunter.

The straight answer is that the "Pinoy" car will never take off.

And that is the point of this discussion thread.

There simply isn't enough interested parties who can back it up.

There simply isn't enough potential buying market for the vehicles you will be producing.

Not even with the government's support can you force enough people to buy something they do not like to buy.

It will only work if it makes financial and economic sense but at the moment, it doesn't.

Overhead (example: electricity and labor) is too high.