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April 12th, 2009 09:56 AM #41I've said this before and my opinion hasn't changed through the years. These u-turns DO work, surprisingly enough, BUT not in all the places they were deployed to AND at the expense of safety.
Not worth the tradeoff for me.
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April 12th, 2009 10:12 AM #42Ano kasi, that is in reply to these posts
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the elevated U-turns generate more traffic rather than alleviate it.-turn slots, and i don't mean just the ones in c5, don't help ease traffic. in fact, they do the exact opposite - cause heavy build-up. worse, the build-up affects not just one but both directions - where the u-turning vehicles are coming from and going to.
Isa pa, we use c5 everyday and nung natapos ung unang u-turn slot. Gumaan talaga.. A lot of people have posted here too.. na gumaan talaga..
Now, as to whether mas maganda na clover-leaf ang ilagay.. ibang usapan. baka nga mas maganda un.. pero, kung ang paguusapan lang e kung nakatulong ba tlaga sa traffic.. e nakikita nmn na nakatulong..
yun mga concrete bus seperators and pink fences...masikip na nga sa EDSA lalo pang pinapasikip ng napakagaling nating MMDA chairman, gusto pang tumakbong President...utot niya! magkalat na lang siya ng lagim sa Marikina huwag na niya damay buong Manila
Talagang nakakainit ng ulo. Walang pakialam ung mga bus kung ano mangyari sa mga katabi nila. Malaki kasi sila, kaya pag natamaan ung car.. ung car pa rin ang talo kaya napipilitan kang mag-adjust kahit ung bus ang mali.. buti sa ngayon confined na sila sa isang area.
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April 12th, 2009 10:36 AM #43
The U-turn slots are more effective than having 4 way or 3 way stop intersections. The idea is to have a more constant (non-stop) flow of traffic. The key here is to merge effectively. If everyone is in their proper lane and nagbibigayan lahat when they merge traffic should move more smoothly with the U-turn slots than with 4 or 3 way stoplights. Conversely, kung naggigitgitan lahat, mabagal talaga. But this is also true whatever flow of traffic is implemented.
The biggest problem is the volume of traffic. Remember how light traffic was when gas was close to 60/liter? Pasig to Makati took me 10mins. We need to build more roads or encourage development away from Metro Manila. Or give tax cuts to people who commute
As for the concrete barriers, siguro kulang lang sa lighting yung ibang areas. Would you rather remove them and allow buses to play patintero with you at every part of EDSA? I don't get why the barriers are to blame in these "accidents". These barriers don't move. If someone hits a gutter or wall nobody blames these inanimate objects so why start blaming the barriers? These "accidents" happen because the drivers (drunk, sleepy or not) go too fast on dimly lit roads that they are unfamiliar with. All you need to do is slow down.
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April 12th, 2009 12:20 PM #44
+1. I remember those days where EDSA had a service road. Once they had removed these, buses were all over EDSA.
As I said before, if you keep to your lane, these barriers will not be a hindrance. Plus it would be stupid for the driver to drive fast in an unfamiliar place. These barriers do not move, unlike in the ongoing construction in SLEX where almost everday, it changes.
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April 12th, 2009 12:24 PM #45
actually hindi lang un bridges ang pwede naten i complain. nakaka bad trip din un mga jeepneys going to legarda from r.magsaysay.
titigil sila sa right lane. kukuha ng pasahero.... un mga cars going to mendiola quipo naiipit. tpos tong mga jeepneys bigla liliko pa kaliwa onto incoming traffic para umakyat ng tulay.
and yeah. ang gulo nga dyan sa c5 elevated u turn. pag napapa daan ako banda dyan parang nakaka takot. parang may accidente mangyayari.
sistema / disiplina ang kulang.
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April 12th, 2009 01:40 PM #47i thought u-turns work until recently ... it turns out that higher fuel cost is much more effective in reducing traffic
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April 12th, 2009 10:32 PM #48
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April 12th, 2009 10:44 PM #50
I dont know kung ano ang major contirbutor sa incident nayan. Dahil ba made in china yung ev car o...
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