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  1. Join Date
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    #21
    I completely agree with all these rules (hindi naman matatawag na bago ang mga yun).

    I would even suggest na dapat nga mas mataas pa duon ang penalties para mas sundin ng tao (at ng hindi daanin sa lagayan ng mga offenders).

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    #22
    *double post*
    Last edited by wildthing; September 14th, 2008 at 07:37 AM.

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    #23
    these rules, as long as they are carefully and thoroughly considered, are fine. the crux of the matter will be on the implementation. do we have the political will to do it?

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    #24
    kalokohan! private motorist nanaman? seatbelts for back passengers? eh paano yun mga PUJ yun mga passengers nila? yun mga PUJ na walang headlights? yun sobrang ingay na PUJ? unahin nila lahat ito bago nila gawin sa mga private motorist...

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    #25
    Quote Originally Posted by niky View Post
    This is complete BS... what if the vehicle has already been modified? How do we go about certifying it?

    There should be no penalty of modifying the exhaust pipe, since stock pipes can rust away, and replacements can't always be found... they should just implement a sound limit and emissions certification for these things. I'll be the first to admit my car is kinda loud, but you can't impose a blanket ban.

    And what about ROTA? By changing any part of the car, do they also mean wheels? Tires? This law needs to be thought out completely... hopefully it doesn't pass through in its current form.
    dapat gumamit nalang sila ng DB meter and yung tamang HL alignment. hindi yung sa kelvin sila nag bebased.

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    #26
    This seems to discriminate private vehicles when most of accidents and violations are committed by public vehicles. So PUJs and PUBs are exempted from the seatbelt law? What about the PUJs with all those accessories installed? What about tricycles?

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    #27
    dapat unahin muna ang mga buses and jeepney lang yan ng seatbelt mas marami ang kailangan doon at public kaya yon so safety are concern diba kaysa private...kaya nga nag private eh.....or pag wala na talagang project eh yung street light at kalsada naman ang bigyan pansin...syempre walang kita don walang violator...walang penalty?

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    #28
    Quote Originally Posted by pup2 View Post
    It's difficult to implement, it's too broad in its terms and too limited in scope ... it's perfect!

    For giving the traffic/metro aides more kotong opportunities.

    .....yes..gustong gusto ng mga kotongero yang mga ganyang batas.

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    #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Good Mechanic View Post
    [SIZE=4]Being a safety advocate. This is for our own and passenger safety. Some of the penalties mentioned are existing and it is not being implemented by LTO.[/SIZE]
    [SIZE=4][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=4]Let us give them a chance. [/SIZE]
    [SIZE=4][/SIZE]
    [SIZE=4]Think positive[/SIZE]
    The problem is the wording of the law is too vague.

    The seatbelt law is okay... but older cars with no rear seatbelts should either be exempt, or they should provide a retrofit service.

    Sorry guys... the slipper law has sound safety reasons behind it... thong slipper straps can get caught in the pedal and cause accidents.

    As for HIDs... this has been under discussion for a hell of a long time... they should implement light metering and scatter tests... cars retrofitted with HIDs with non-projector housings can be fined... but what about high-end cars that come with bright HIDs as stock?

    And how about classic cars? You can't buy original exhaust systems for those, anymore. A regular mild steel muffler will only last a few years before cracking, rattling or rusting away. So you're forced to buy a brand new stock muffler from the casa at an exhorbitant price, only to have to buy another when it breaks again?

    Same goes for modification. What if the modification is the only way to keep the vehicle running... such as for many classic cars or rare cars with no casa support? (for example, Daewoos with Toyota engines) Modification to classic cars (conversion to EFi, for example) makes them more economical and environmentally friendly. So where's the harm in that?

    And what's the difference between a turbocharged Honda Jazz and a Subaru WRX? The Jazz drinks less gas and emits less pollutants.

    Because the legislature is full of rich guys with HIDs.... and some whom have classics, I doubt the law will go through in its current form. You can't lump everything together like that.

    My version of the law:

    The amended guidelines are as follows:

    1. Carrying of Restriction Code 2 (RC 2) on the drivers license.
    2. HID-equipped cars must pass the light-scatter test and carry a certification from the LTO (ayaw ba nila yun... extra money! )
    3. All passengers of private cars needs to have seatbelt, including the back passengers. (exemption for vehicles not equipped with rear seatbelts, retrofit kits available at LTO)

    Additional proposed items from the LTO Guidelines:

    *Drivers and All Passengers who fail to use seatbelt will be fined P1,500/passenger plus attending seminar for traffic and vehicle safety to be conducted by LTO. - (OK)

    * For carrying more passenger other than the normal seating capacity, a penalty of P1,000/per passenger. - Not necessary. Implement the seatbelt law and anyone sitting where no seatbelts are provided merit an automatic fine.

    * For defective accessories such as headlight, tail light, signal light, brake light, side mirror and horn a fine of P1,000 for the violators. Tama si basti... don't we already have a law for this?

    * Installation of HID headlight 4300K and up color temperature a fine of P5000.

    [amended]* Vehicles retrofitted with HID lamps must pass certification test for light-scatter and must carry LTO certification at all times.

    * Wearing of slippers fine of P500 for the first offense, P700 for the 2nd offense and P1,000 for the 3rd offense and revocation of driverís license. (sorry, I actually agree with this.)

    * For modifying any part of the original design of a private vehicle without approval of LTO and the DTI a fine of P2,000.

    [amended]* All modifications to the original design of the vehicle must be certified by the LTO or DTI for reasons of safety. Failure to carry certification: Fine of P2,000.

    * Installation Open free flow exhaust pipe other than the original exhaust pipe a fine of P3000.

    [amended]* All modifications to the exhaust system must carry certification from the LTO and an accredited emissions testing center to demonstrate compliance with emissions regulations and sound ordinances. Failure to carry certification: Fine of P3000

    Ang pagbalik ng comeback...

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    #30
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    kalokohan! private motorist nanaman? seatbelts for back passengers? eh paano yun mga PUJ yun mga passengers nila? yun mga PUJ na walang headlights? yun sobrang ingay na PUJ? unahin nila lahat ito bago nila gawin sa mga private motorist...
    same thoughts exactly, i have no qualms about the rules(ganyan naman dapat and most of the other countries implement this) but what about the jeepneys nga, first off mas walang disiplina sa daan mga yan and traffic cause and accident hazzard pa lalo na yung mga walang tail lights, nde nagbubukas ng headlights, biglang hihinto, kung san san nagbababa, nakabalandra sa masikip na daan!!! much more how can they comply with these new rules??!! last i checked, 4 wheels ang passenger jeepneys...

    wala lang, kainis lang kasi

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