Is Toyota still forcing you to do 5,000km PMS?

**Vodka** · February 9th, 2014 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by chookchakchenes

Basahin mo ulit yung buong post ko.

Ito repost ko.

Oh di ba hindi ko sinusunod advice ng service advisor.

oops sorry i missed that part

way to go!

**jmpet626** · February 9th, 2014 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by dr. d

btw.. curious lang ako.. ano kaya itsura ng mineral oil after 10k km? Eversince kse di ko pa nasubukan paabutin ng 6k ang OCI ko. Yung 5k km nga lang ang lapot na at maitim na kulay.

hindi ko rin alam.. siguro pomadang itim![/QUOTE]

Mineral ba yung oil na nilalagay ng Honda from Factory? If yes, yung friend ko na girl na bumili ng New Honda Jazz naka lampas na ng 12k yung oil niya bago siya nagpa change oil ulit. Reklamo niya nawalan ng hatak yung engine so pag check ko ng Oil below E line na ng dipstick yung oil at sobrang lapot na sobrang itim. Di ata siya na inform na kailagan din pala i change oil ang brand new na oto.

**dr. d** · February 9th, 2014 10:35 PM

as i've said, the very smart engineers WHO ACTUALLY BUILT THE ENGINE have indicated the recommended PMS intervals in their manuals.[/QUOTE]

ah... no. not necessarily.
the smart engineers may have come up with something.. but someone else made and edited that manual to say this or that..

**chookchakchenes** · February 9th, 2014 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by jmpet626

Mineral ba yung oil na nilalagay ng Honda from Factory? If yes, yung friend ko na girl na bumili ng New Honda Jazz naka lampas na ng 12k yung oil niya bago siya nagpa change oil ulit. Reklamo niya nawalan ng hatak yung engine so pag check ko ng Oil below E line na ng dipstick yung oil at sobrang lapot na sobrang itim. Di ata siya na inform na kailagan din pala i change oil ang brand new na oto.

Sa mga second-hand car seller, pinagmamalaki ang lady-driven. Pero ako takot pag babae usually may-ari kotse. Malinis ang interior pati alaga sa car wash pero ang engine poorly maintain.

**dr. d** · February 9th, 2014 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by chookchakchenes

Sa mga second-hand car seller, pinagmamalaki ang lady-driven. Pero ako takot pag babae usually may-ari kotse. Malinis ang interior pati alaga sa car wash pero ang engine poorly maintain.

"lady-driven" can go either way... even to extremes. and i have seen examples of both.
the only situation i like "lady driven" is when the lady is small and petite. that way, hindi lundo ang driver's seat. beyond that, it's time to empty the caviar..

**renzo_d10** · February 9th, 2014 10:49 PM

I've come across this certain Vios driven HARD by an elderly woman once, last month.

At a certain bridge I was running at 70kph when she was flashing her lights for me to move. Well, being hard-headed, I just stepped on the gas and just planned on leaving her behind. But to my surprise, she was just a shy car away from me despite my 3-digit speed. And as soon as the traffic came to a halt, I saw the elderly woman that was behind the wheel. Hehe.

I guess not all cars driven by women are driven slowly heheh and according to my friends who have had encountered her in the past, it was normal for her to drive like that. Way to go grandma!

Sent from my GT-P7310 using Tapatalk 2

**dr. d** · February 9th, 2014 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by renzo_d10

I've come across this certain Vios driven HARD by an elderly woman once, last month.

At a certain bridge I was running at 70kph when she was flashing her lights for me to move. Well, being hard-headed, I just stepped on the gas and just planned on leaving her behind. But to my surprise, she was just a shy car away from me despite my 3-digit speed. And as soon as the traffic came to a halt, I saw the elderly woman that was behind the wheel. Hehe.

I guess not all cars driven by women are driven slowly heheh and according to my friends who have had encountered her in the past, it was normal for her to drive like that. Way to go grandma!

Sent from my GT-P7310 using Tapatalk 2

hindi kaya na-video kayo?... caltex advertisement...!

**homhomnova** · February 10th, 2014 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vodka

yeah but what if a customer wants a certain toyota or hyundai vehicle but is turned off by the PMS policies???

as for the oil, i'm not a tribologist, you're not either, so we really can't comment on the characteristics of the oil after a certain number of kilometers. as i've said, the very smart engineers WHO ACTUALLY BUILT THE ENGINE have indicated the recommended PMS intervals in their manuals.

As I've said.. customers have all the options.. they can shop around and get the equivalent product of other brand that suits their wants.. but if the customer really want the product of toyota or hyundai or any other brand, they have to abide by the company's policies.. and if you feel that you are getting cheated by these companies, then there are legal remedies that you can pursue..

I believe companies won't change their policies or business model just to suit up what some customers want..

**Vodka** · February 10th, 2014 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by homhomnova

As I've said.. customers have all the options.. they can shop around and get the equivalent product of other brand that suits their wants.. but if the customer really want the product of toyota or hyundai or any other brand, they have to abide by the company's policies.. and if you feel that you are getting cheated by these companies, then there are legal remedies that you can pursue..

I believe companies won't change their policies or business model just to suit up what some customers want..

you still don't get it. PMS policies are ok as long as they have a BASIS! i.e. if technical manual says 10,000 then i'm not gonna argue that it should be 20,000 !!!

but if casa just sets arbitrary PMS intervals for MONEY-MAKING PURPOSES then that's a different thing!

and no, each car is unique, there are no equivalent models on another brand. SIMILAR models perhaps

anyway i can understand why you're siding with the Big Car Companies, the psychology of this has been eloborated on in the previous posts

**Vodka** · February 10th, 2014 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by dr. d

as i've said, the very smart engineers WHO ACTUALLY BUILT THE ENGINE have indicated the recommended PMS intervals in their manuals.

ah... no. not necessarily.
the smart engineers may have come up with something.. but someone else made and edited that manual to say this or that..[/QUOTE]

what i mean is that the company who built the car knows it best and has indicated the recommended PMS interval in their documentation. i'm sure you get my point

don't forget that these intervals can affect the long-term reliability of their product which in turn WILL DEFINITELY impact their brand image so i'm sure they have studied this very well