Toyota Recall - Accelerator Pedal may get stuck [merged]

**CVT** · February 26th, 2010 11:32 AM

Lee's Camry wasn't among those subject to Toyota's recent safety recalls, but Toyota did recall some 1996 Camrys for defective cruise controls that could cause sudden acceleration.

Bob Hilliard, a Texas attorney, is preparing a lawsuit by the victims in the Lee crash. Hilliard said other federal complaints suggest a defect more widespread than recalled cruise controls — something with engine control modules that could extend to other Toyota makes and model years.

Bro.,- in this/these case/s, it appears that ECMs and Cruise Control are being looked into....

9404:vader:

**A121** · February 26th, 2010 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by ghosthunter

Cars with bigger displacement engines can overpower the brakes easily.

Ow, I see. Then they should put it put in "N" or "P", then step on the brake.

**Monseratto** · February 26th, 2010 12:10 PM

Hilliard said other federal complaints suggest a defect more widespread than recalled cruise controls — something with engine control modules that could extend to other Toyota makes and model years.

Recall ID # 96E001000 - VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL - Get Details
Recall Date: JAN 03, 1996
Component: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
Model Affected: CAMRY
Potential Units Affected: 5145

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/1996/...#ixzz0gbjWzBim

The accident happened in 2006, 10 years after Toyota announced the recall. Also shouldn't the subject of the cruise control recall been used if the lawyer did his homework in the defense of the poorguy? Unless the lawyer can produce a official goverment technical study that proves a real ECM problem and not public speculation on similar problems of other newer Toyota models as his new defense, I doubt the judge wouldn't bother reopening the case.

**arbe** · February 26th, 2010 09:04 PM

Brian Ross Investigates the cause of hundreds of Toyota accidents.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-wD9MkaL3Q"]YouTube- Are Toyota's Accelerators Out of Control?[/ame]

[SIZE=2]How to stop your vehicle if accelerator sticks[/SIZE]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT07_JbnKWQ&feature=related"]YouTube- How to stop your vehicle if accelerator sticks[/ame]

HTH

**Autobeat** · March 1st, 2010 01:50 AM

Originally Posted by CVT

Very sad thing to happen.... As I see it, 6th Feb ang report (ooooppppssss 3 years ago na pala ito...).... What a waste.....

Yes, the 2005 Camry incident happened around 3yrs ago, so that Camry was still fairly new, around not more than 2 years at the time of the accident. It was recently the highlight of some U.S. news reports indicating that this Toyota "fly by wire" throttle problem may have been happening much earlier, and to older models that they have not yet included in the recall. That 05 Camry was a similar generation Camry as the one in the earlier video of a Camry backing up all of a suddent to the police car. The '09 Corolla in the story, is definitely new and less then a year old when it lost control on Dec '09.

Originally Posted by CVT

And yes, there are other vehicles which are now into "drive/fly by wire".... Sana, wala namang problema....

I would start checking on which models actually have a throttle shut off equiped brake system, now or in later releases, as a safety precaution for using fly by wire throttle systems.

**cornelius** · March 5th, 2010 01:12 PM

would anyone happen to know the contact info of the consumer group who's into a class action against toyota? my aunti wants to join since she got a lemon corolla which toyota refused to replace. LEMON. PM please. thanks guys

**redorange** · March 5th, 2010 01:52 PM

The drive by wire accelerator problem is made worst by the use of the push start buttons on the car, because people in panic situations will not push the buttons long enough to stop the engine. I don't think the technology is the problem but the part being used. The technology for drive by wire/fly by wire has been around for decades being used on planes like the F16 and other than Toyota I haven't heard of other makers suffering the same big problems.

Maybe now is the time for the guys with Fortuners having problems to bring their issue up with the DTI/DOT and the media. Toyota Philippines surely will not want the same scenario unfolding in the Philippines as it is now happening in the US.

**duskylim** · March 6th, 2010 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by redorange

The drive by wire accelerator problem is made worst by the use of the push start buttons on the car, because people in panic situations will not push the buttons long enough to stop the engine. I don't think the technology is the problem but the part being used. The technology for drive by wire/fly by wire has been around for decades being used on planes like the F16 and other than Toyota I haven't heard of other makers suffering the same big problems.

Maybe now is the time for the guys with Fortuners having problems to bring their issue up with the DTI/DOT and the media. Toyota Philippines surely will not want the same scenario unfolding in the Philippines as it is now happening in the US.

Dear Sir:

That is definitely true, fly-by-wire is a mature technology and has been used in military as well as commercial aircraft for nearly 4 decades.

However, as a control technology it also has been implicated in several airplane crashes.

In each case the company involved took a long time to admit (usually under extreme duress) that there could be a software problem.

The harsh learning curve experienced by aircraft makers should have made car makers much more cautious and alert in implementing drive-by-wire into their vehicles.

Alas, that is not the been the case.

But at least most U.S. carmakers - General Motors, Ford and Chrysler use open-sourced software which can be checked and evaluated by outside inspectors.

That is definitely NOT the case with most Japanese carmakers and of Toyota Motors in particular.

It is even less true of the car dealerships and salesmen here in the Philippines. These people are definitely ready to get away with murder.

They will flatly deny any fault whatsoever, even in the face of overwhelming evidence (albeit abroad).

They will even bribe and influence all local agencies and officials (who are always on the take) in order to minimize any liability they may have.

Humility, honor and shame are alien to them. Misplaced pride, arrogance and disdain come naturally.

Hopefully these revelations will result in a requirement by the US congress of open-sourced code in order to make it possible to verify the vehicles' control systems.

As for the Philippines, prayer may be your only hope.

Sincerely,

Dusky Lim

**hy-n-dry** · March 7th, 2010 02:52 PM

Try this..

http://www.toyotasimulator.com/

**hy-n-dry** · March 7th, 2010 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by tomgotan

2009 vios manual. may na pansin ba kayo kung nag shift ng transmission. pagbitaw ng accelerator pedal eh may delay. nagkakaroon ng high rev. mga ilan seconds bago bumaba. kaya habang nakaapak ako sa clutch mag antay muna ako ng few seconds bago inaapakan ang accelerator.

noticed that too on my 2010 altis.. usually from 2nd to 3rd gear maly lag ang release ng rpm.. 'hope di ito sign ng accelerator problem!