Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [continued 3]

[dr. d]

Imperfect is one thing. Downright ineffective (re: re-circulation mode) is what Toyota did to these cars.

Anyway, you're not going to die of CO if there's no outside exhaust gases coming in. Pwede pa CO2 intoxication. But that will mean you'll have to be in there for a long time.

that bulkhead in front of the front passenger and driver, has holes connecting the engine bay to the passenger cabin, where the control cables, tubes, and steering column pass thru. it's supposed to be sealed, but, you know... wear and tear and all that.
how effective or in-effective are these seals? in the past, there were several deaths believed to be from carbon monoxide poisoning, in parked, idling cars.

[dr. d]

Good year auto care olongapo qoutation for 20k pms. Talo pa ang doctor kung magsulat. Almost 7k.

parang handwriting ng duktor.. hirap intindihin.
but you go home with a resibo, 'di ba? ang duktor...?
heh heh heh.

[oj88]

that bulkhead in front of the front passenger and driver, has holes connecting the engine bay to the passenger cabin, where the control cables, tubes, and steering column pass thru. it's supposed to be sealed, but, you know... wear and tear and all that.
how effective or in-effective are these seals? in the past, there were several deaths believed to be from carbon monoxide poisoning, in parked, idling cars.

I'm referring to the flap/vent design for routing in outside air. The problem with this vehicle platform is that the flap leaks a lot more outside air than most other vehicles. So just to put a number on it, let's say a typical car would only leak 5% outside air and 95% is recirculated cabin air. On the Innova, it's more like 20-30% outside air and the rest is recirculated air. Coming from driving a sedan for 7 years and driving the Innova, the result is very noticeable.

To illustrate (this took me a while to draw so bear with me), here are rough cross-sectional drawings of a part of the Innova's A/C. When the mode switch is set to Outside Air, a flap (blue part in the drawing) moves up to open up the outside air vent and at the same time, blocks the cabin air from recirculating. In this mode, the A/C is pulling in practically 100% outside air.



When you set it to Recirculate, the flap moves forward to block outside air and allow cabin air to flow. As you can see in the design, the tolerance between the flap and the outside air vent is too big and as a result, a significant amount of outside air is still getting in.... much, much higher than typical.

[CVT]

Good year auto care olongapo qoutation for 20k pms. Talo pa ang doctor kung magsulat. Almost 7k.

That is deliberate and strategic bro.

"Confuse the enemy!" (and the battle is half-won)

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[Sleepcare]

I'm referring to the flap/vent design for routing in outside air. The problem with this vehicle platform is that the flap leaks a lot more outside air than most other vehicles. So just to put a number on it, let's say a typical car would only leak 5% outside air and 95% is recirculated cabin air. On the Innova, it's more like 20-30% outside air and the rest is recirculated air. Coming from driving a sedan for 7 years and driving the Innova, the result is very noticeable.

To illustrate (this took me a while to draw so bear with me), here are rough cross-sectional drawings of a part of the Innova's A/C. When the mode switch is set to Outside Air, a flap (blue part in the drawing) moves up to open up the outside air vent and at the same time, blocks the cabin air from recirculating. In this mode, the A/C is pulling in practically 100% outside air.



When you set it to Recirculate, the flap moves forward to block outside air and allow cabin air to flow. As you can see in the design, the tolerance between the flap and the outside air vent is too big and as a result, a significant amount of outside air is still getting in.... much, much higher than typical.

So this is the reason why the aircon filter is very dirty even after just 1 change oil which i don't expect when using recirculate mode.

Kahit pala 10 years na kami may Innova, I/We do really learn something new everyday.. Thanks for sharing!

[oj88]

So this is the reason why the aircon filter is very dirty even after just 1 change oil which i don't expect when using recirculate mode.

Kahit pala 10 years na kami may Innova, I/We do really learn something new everyday.. Thanks for sharing!

Exactly.

My old Civic could go a year and the cabin filter will only exhibit a grayish discoloration. But on my Innova, just using it for 4-6 months and a portion of the filter would already be black with soot.

It's that bad.

[frequenzy]

planning to replace 2 tires ni innova sa likod, bago pa kasi yung front. is it ok kung gamitin ko sa likod is 205/70/r15? while sa harap is stock 205/65/r15, may masama ba effect yun? then pag luma na yung harap gawin ko na din 205/70

[dr. d]

nice diagrams. i couldn't do those even if i wanted to.

[rpv5]

Hi guys need your help. Can anyone recommend a fairly affordable parts shop that sells Innova side mirrors as well as an affordable repair shop to install said side mirror? Got into a nasty incident wherein my Innova's side mirror (including the part that connects it to the pillar) was completely sideswiped, meaning wala na siya completely. Wasn't able to retrieve the side mirror since I was in a highway, and I guess unusable na rin yun if ever.

[dr. d]

Hi guys need your help. Can anyone recommend a fairly affordable parts shop that sells Innova side mirrors as well as an affordable repair shop to install said side mirror? Got into a nasty incident wherein my Innova's side mirror (including the part that connects it to the pillar) was completely sideswiped, meaning wala na siya completely. Wasn't able to retrieve the side mirror since I was in a highway, and I guess unusable na rin yun if ever.

try the online sellers, po.
just now, there's someone in olx, advertising his innova side mirror.

then there's the cathay centers in banawe and evangelista, where glib-of-mouth is the weapon of choice.

good luck, po.

[sirkosero]

Banawe or evangelista. Surplus.

For altis/vios nasa 2500 dati ang assembly ng side mirror. For innova more or less siguro around that much din

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[dr. d]

Banawe or evangelista. Surplus.

For altis/vios nasa 2500 dati ang assembly ng side mirror. For innova more or less siguro around that much din

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i wonder... does the altis side mirror fit the innova?

[oj88]

nice diagrams. i couldn't do those even if i wanted to.

You liked that? Thanks!

Here's a couple more sketches of what I personally believe is the better design as it provides better sealing. Exception here is when the flap seals (usually of foam material) wears out or disintegrate. But that will take years and something that can be fixed.

Most other vehicles employs this design or a variation of it.

[sirkosero]

i wonder... does the altis side mirror fit the innova?

Definetely not, doc. Mas malaki ng di hamak side mirrors ng innova. Hehe

Just for comparison lang naman. Usually di nagkakalayo presyo sa mga surplus.

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[dr. d]

Definetely not, doc. Mas malaki ng di hamak side mirrors ng innova. Hehe

Just for comparison lang naman. Usually di nagkakalayo presyo sa mga surplus.

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ka-hawig kasi.
baka kako pareho ang mounting hardware...

[desertfox615]

You liked that? Thanks!

Here's a couple more sketches of what I personally believe is the better design as it provides better sealing. Exception here is when the flap seals (usually of foam material) wears out or disintegrate. But that will take years and something that can be fixed.

Most other vehicles employs this design or a variation of it.

i think i will tend to agree to your observation. minsan lang magamit unit ko pero when i remove the cabin filter, minsan may mga dry leaves pa akong nakikita.

question: is there a way we can fix this? diy?

[sirkosero]

Hi guys need your help. Can anyone recommend a fairly affordable parts shop that sells Innova side mirrors as well as an affordable repair shop to install said side mirror? Got into a nasty incident wherein my Innova's side mirror (including the part that connects it to the pillar) was completely sideswiped, meaning wala na siya completely. Wasn't able to retrieve the side mirror since I was in a highway, and I guess unusable na rin yun if ever.

Saw a post sa innova club. Driver side mirror assembly taiwan replacement 700 daw

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[oj88]

i think i will tend to agree to your observation. minsan lang magamit unit ko pero when i remove the cabin filter, minsan may mga dry leaves pa akong nakikita.

question: is there a way we can fix this? diy?

No beating around the bush on this issue. There's too much work involved to modify the flap so I had to cut the airflow from the source by sealing the inlet vent under the wiper cowl with aluminum tape. Duct tape would also work, if not better. I never use this vent anyway. If I want fresh air, I'll just crack open a window or two. It's a mild annoyance compared to not fixing it and smelling exhaust and garbage fumes everytime I'm driving.

The thing with exhaust fumes is that it gets onto anything in the cabin.... the upholstery, the side panels, the roof liner, A/C vents... everything. For that matter, the odor stays for days even if you haven't used the car. Whenever I get into my car in the morning, I can smell the exhaust fumes from last night's commute still lingering. I'm fussy about this because I know it should not happen.

It's been about 2 weeks ago since I've taped it up and there's no more fumes getting in! My next project is to do something similar with the rear A/C. Some exhaust fumes are still being sucked in from the rear despite my efforts to plug every external hole. Though, the leakage here is not as significant as the front A/C used to be.

Allowing too much outside air to enter will also cause you A/C evaporator core (front and rear) to clog up with dirt and soot early in its life. Cutting down on outside air will definitely extend the life as well as reduce the maintenance frequency of these components.

[candyman]

No beating around the bush on this issue. There's too much work involved to modify the flap so I had to cut the airflow from the source by sealing the inlet vent under the wiper cowl with aluminum tape. Duct tape would also work, if not better. I never use this vent anyway. If I want fresh air, I'll just crack open a window or two. It's a mild annoyance compared to not fixing it and smelling exhaust and garbage fumes everytime I'm driving.

The thing with exhaust fumes is that it gets onto anything in the cabin.... the upholstery, the side panels, the roof liner, A/C vents... everything. For that matter, the odor stays for days even if you haven't used the car. Whenever I get into my car in the morning, I can smell the exhaust fumes from last night's commute still lingering. I'm fussy about this because I know it should not happen.

It's been about 2 weeks ago since I've taped it up and there's no more fumes getting in! My next project is to do something similar with the rear A/C. Some exhaust fumes are still being sucked in from the rear despite my efforts to plug every external hole. Though, the leakage here is not as significant as the front A/C used to be.

Allowing too much outside air to enter will also cause you A/C evaporator core (front and rear) to clog up with dirt and soot early in its life. Cutting down on outside air will definitely extend the life as well as reduce the maintenance frequency of these components.

simple but effective pictures naman of your handy work sir kung pwede.

[desertfox615]

simple but effective pictures naman of your handy work sir kung pwede.

yup. pictures naman. planning on doing the same