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    #71
    to those who had or having problems with their 2.5 d4ds, can you guys post as to where/what gas station you usually fill up? baka kasi may halong tubig yung kinarga sa inyo.

    also, may nagkaproblema na ba sa 3.0 d4d? thanks.
    Last edited by beebs; October 23rd, 2005 at 12:14 AM.

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    #72
    FYI biodiesel compatibility info:

    Fiat
    No current Alfa Romeo or Fiat engines are compatible for biodiesel use, except in a "minimal percentage" blended with conventional diesel fuel - up to 5%. Use of any higher-percentage blend will invalidate warranties.

    Ford
    None of Ford's range of diesel engines are fully biodiesel-compatible without modifications. Using a pure blend of biodiesel/RME will invalidate a warranty. However, a blend of up to 5% RME can be used without affecting warranty cover.

    Honda
    The Isuzu-supplied engine fitted to the new Civic Diesel runs on diesel fuel that meets EN590 standards. Use of any other diesel fuel will invalidate a warranty. However, a blend of up to 5% biodiesel/RME is acceptable, according to Honda, although Isuzu hasn't tested it.

    Hyundai
    No diesel engines currently offered by Hyundai are biodiesel-compatible - the seals in the high-pressure fuel pump are not suitable.

    Kia
    Kia's technical department in Korea sees no real reason why the 2.9 TD engine fitted in the Sedona shouldn't run on biodiesel (refined to meet the right standards and octane rating), but have not carried out any research and testing with biofuels, and do not warrant the engine for their use.

    Land Rover
    No information available as yet - call Customer Services and quote engine code.

    Mazda
    The diesel engines fitted to Mazda models are not biodiesel compatible, and use of any such fuels will invalidate a warranty.

    Mercedes-Benz
    Mercedes-Benz does not warrant its diesel engines (apart from a very small number of units fitted in German taxis) for biodiesel/RME use.

    MG Rover
    The diesel engines offered by MG Rover are not compatible for biodiesel use, except in concentrations of up to 5%. Use of fuel with a stronger blend will invalidate a warranty.

    Mitsubishi
    Mitsubishi has not done any testing with biodiesel in its diesel engines, so any problems arising from its use would not be covered under warranty.

    Nissan
    Bosch, suppliers of Nissan's diesel engines, say that these engines will function correctly but there will be premature engine wear and any damage thought to be caused by biodiesel will not be covered by Nissan's warranty. Nissan Germany is, apparently, "not actively discouraging" biodiesel use, but this is still under review here. It's an at-your-own-risk scenario.

    Peugeot
    Both the HDI and non-HDI diesels in the current range are compatible to run on biodiesel - if the fuel is certified to meet the same British standards as 'normal' diesel fuel and comes from an accredited source. Use of non-accredited fuels, however, will invalidate warranties; Peugeot suggests that low-grade fuels can cause problems with lubrication, especially in the high-pressure HDI systems.

    Renault
    No information available as yet - call Customer Services and quote your engine code.

    Saab
    No information available as yet - call Customer Services and quote your engine code.

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    #73
    Seat
    Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

    Skoda
    Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

    Suzuki
    No information available as yet - consult Customer Services and quote engine number.

    Toyota
    Toyota does not recommend the use of biodiesel or RME, either in pure form or in a blend, claiming that it affects engine reliability - especially the fuel pressure pump. Any engine damage caused by the use of biodiesel would not be covered under warranty.


    Vauxhall
    Vauxhall/Opel does not recommend the use of biodiesel/RME without modifications to the standard engine; use of such fuels will invalidate a warranty.

    Volkswagen
    Until mid-2004, the Volkswagen Group warranted its diesel engines to run on biodiesel (from an accredited source and conforming to the DIN 51606 standard), but concerns over the sensitivity of the latest-generation Pumpe-Duse and piezo-injection fuel injection systems and the quality of the biodiesel fuels available have resulted in a change of policy. It now only warrants its diesel engines for a 5 percent blend. Owners of older VW Group diesels may find their cars can run on biodiesel - but must call their relevant customer services department and quote an engine code to check this for certain.

    Volvo
    The current range of diesel engines, including the latest D5 diesels, are only warranted for a 5% blend of biodiesel/RME, but some of the recently discontinued diesel units fitted in the larger models are fully biodiesel-compatible. However, Volvo stresses that you should ring its Customer Services and check your engine code before using any alternative fuels, as by no means all these engines are suitable for biofuel use.

    http://www.channel4.com/4car/buying...iofuels-10.html

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    #74
    * Innova G, check ur PM tukayo!

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    #75
    Based from Bluebimmer facts, therefore... most manfacturers don't recommend the use of biodiesel. mmm so How is it in Europe. Don't we use the same Engines as them?

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    #76
    Quote Originally Posted by cary168
    most of the countries used euro4 compliant diesel fuel which has 50 parts per million of sulfur, while the phil used only euro 2 compliant diesel which has 250ppm sulfur that's why its dirtier and clogging or choking the fuel system. My friend at UNIOIL told me that if they sell euro 4 compliant diesel which is used at other countries the price will be more expensive than premium unleaded gasoline
    yup... that is true...

    our clean air act is only up to euro 1 and 2 (at best) compliant.

    this is just the same with our fellow SEA neighbors... around 500 ppm of sulfur for diesel. none of our neighbors have yet to implement a lower ppm figure (though they plan a 10ppm for 2010).

    this will entail huge refinery upgrades by the way.

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    #77
    Quote Originally Posted by mazdamazda
    yup... that is true...

    our clean air act is only up to euro 1 and 2 (at best) compliant.

    this is just the same with our fellow SEA neighbors... around 500 ppm of sulfur for diesel. none of our neighbors have yet to implement a lower ppm figure (though they plan a 10ppm for 2010).

    this will entail huge refinery upgrades by the way.
    So ang D4d engine ba is Euro4 complaint? kapag euro4 naba ang engine wont much sa euro2 fuel?

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    #78
    AFAIK biodiesel use only benefits old diesel engines with minimal modifications (change of fuel line hoses for example). Sa mga bagong engines they need a more refined diesel fuel kaya biodiesel is not really recommended on them.

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    #79
    Quote Originally Posted by Innova G
    May order kmi Innova d4d A/T... I-cancel na ba namin yun?? anu tingin nyo mga "Experts"?? I'm really bothered with this d4d issue. Sabi naman kc nung Sales Agent nung kinonfront ko cya regarding the d4d engine faults specifically Innova's she replied na yung mga early release units lng daw ang may ganung poblema and they've already taken corrective actions by calibrating/modifyng all the new Innova D4D before making it available to their costumers. So what do you think?? Should I go for innova or not??
    INNOVA G, I was able to test my cousin's Starex AT w/ crdi engine yesterday, bro ang sarap ihataw, ang bilis. Try mo mag test drive....

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    #80
    jim:AFAIK biodiesel use only benefits old diesel engines with minimal modifications (change of fuel line hoses for example). Sa mga bagong engines they need a more refined diesel fuel kaya biodiesel is not really recommended on them.
    hindi yata nag usap ng mabuti ung engine designers and biodiesel engineers

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