Toyota D4D engine woes

**leinahtan** · January 4th, 2006 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by mbclubph

hi guys,

i will be getting my fortuner 2.5 diesel nextweek. any suggestions or comments will be much appreciated. medyo kinakabahan kasi ako co'z this car is for my mom and sister mahirap na itirik sila. ..

So why take the risk of getting a diesel if you can get the trouble-free and worry-free gas variant instead?

**mbclubph** · January 4th, 2006 08:44 AM

thanks for the fast reply.

kasi eto lang readily available.

**mazdamazda** · January 4th, 2006 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by mbclubph

hi guys,

i will be getting my fortuner 2.5 diesel nextweek. any suggestions or comments will be much appreciated.

if I were you...

I'd rather get a Sorento EX with that kind of budget. Kia / Hyundai's CRDi engines are holding pretty well here (it has been around for more than a couple of years now).

better be safe than sorry.

**johnqpublic318** · January 4th, 2006 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by apexi_66

D4D engine problems does not concern with seals and fuel leak. Seals and leaks can be easily fixed but choking , hard starting and worse is engine stalling, those are the main problems that Toyota can't seem to fix.

Yes, I know that. I read the thread. I was reacting to the use of biodiesel and made my objective recommendation.

**apexi_66** · January 4th, 2006 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by johnqpublic318

Yes, I know that. I read the thread. I was reacting to the use of biodiesel and made my objective recommendation.

No problems mate.
mbclubph, I agree with mazdamazda.

Don't put your mom and your sister at risk. Mga babae yan so doon ka sugurado.

**themann** · January 4th, 2006 01:48 PM

come to think of it, if you travelled 100,000 kms, you will able to save P 284K in fuel expense if you are using a diesel innova against a vti variant. i assume fuel consumption of 11km per ltr for d4d and 6km per ltr for vti and fuel cost of P 31 per liter for diesel and P 34 per liter for gasoline.

this could compensate for the 134k cost for the supply pump repair (if after warranty) and the price difference of the vti and d4d acquisition cost.

pa consuelo lang po mga pre...................

**smeagol** · January 4th, 2006 02:38 PM

Hi themann,

But you only put one-half of the equation.

Fortuner 3.0 D4D = 1,573,000

Fortuner 2.7 VVTI G = 1,268,000

Difference in acquisition price =P 305,000

Invested and compounding at 10% annually for 5 years = P491,000

(Assumption here is that 1 year = 20,000 km therefore 100,000 km = 5 years)

Five years later:

Fuel Savings from using diesel = P 284,000.
Opportunity loss from buying diesel = P491,000

Total net loss from buying diesel 3.0 Fortuner and not the 2.7 VVTI G = P207,000

**niky** · January 4th, 2006 03:33 PM

Plus the additional oil and maintenance items. In my experience, regular maintenance of a big diesel costs a bit more than the regular maintenance of a gasoline engine.

For me, the trade-off would almost be okay... as I tend to do 40k km in a year, but I'm not really fond of big cars... especially if I have to drive it in city traffic.

**cardo** · January 4th, 2006 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by OTEP

Yun na nga, they should have never sold a vehicle not suitable for local conditions.

GDI Mitsu engines are unavailable in the U.S. because their fuel is 'too dirty' for the GDI system.

Hyundai/Kia/Bosch did their homework with their CRDi system even if it meant holding the lauch back a year or two.

Mercedes Benz, 'tropicalizes' vehicles to be sold locally

Why can't Toyota do that?

How's about Isuzu's CRDI? Are they affiliated with Bosch as well?

Is the crdi stalling problem only affects toyota crdi diesel?

**cardo** · January 4th, 2006 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by niky

Plus the additional oil and maintenance items. In my experience, regular maintenance of a big diesel costs a bit more than the regular maintenance of a gasoline engine.

For me, the trade-off would almost be okay... as I tend to do 40k km in a year, but I'm not really fond of big cars... especially if I have to drive it in city traffic.

sa experience ko may kamahalan nga ang maintenance ng diesel kesa sa gas kung regular PMS. on the dmax, I just bought 7li of mobil1 delvac which costs 4k, sa rav4 its 2k for 4li of fully syn oil. on the v6 ford its twice as much. the diesel wins when your daily trip is traffic laiden but then again, kuha ka na lang ng subcompact pag city driving, no problems with the tight parking slots as well. then again, the pickup suits me when the rainy season(and the usual floods) come so its ok as well, its just a matter of juggling your personal needs and priorities