Toyota D4D engine woes

**larshell** · November 23rd, 2006 12:18 PM

Biglang namatay at the middle of the road yong unit namin

Hindi pa naman nangyari sakin ito. Hard/fail starting lang parati ang problema.
Pero may mga Fortuner V 3.0 na ganito ang nangyari yong iba nga sa Makati pa tumirik.

Also, the last time we took the unit to the casa, they adjusted the idling.

CRdi engine idling can't be adjusted w/o using ECU scanner baka naman they just Initialize the ECU.

The guy told me that it's about the fuel filter--marumi na raw.

Ano na ba Mileage mo? Bakit daw marumi ang Fuel filter mo? Kung minsan kung ano ano lang sinasabi nila. Kung may time ka bantayan mo yong unit habang ginagawa nila para makita morin kung marumi talaga yong Fuel filter.

**richcris** · November 23rd, 2006 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by lancelt

(originally posted at fortuner club phil)

Hi guys! Im new here. I would like to ask some assistance regarding what type of fortuner to buy. I am planning to buy one by the 1st week of december. 4 X 4 is out of the question due to limited budget. So its either the 2.7 VVTi or the 2.5 D4D.

I would really want to own a fortuner diesel because of better fuel consumption and cheap diesel price however there seems to be a problem with the D4D engine. I thought that by this time the D4d problem should have been solved already. I asked my dealer regarding this and confirmed that there were some units which experienced that problem. He insisted that the problem can be fixed anyway. I also learned that there were no engine modifications whatsoever regarding the 1st batch of fortuner and the latest batch. So there is still a chance that i can get a defective diesel fort.

Now if i will choose the gas type, it will definitely entail a higher fuel consumption. Are there other advantages and disadvantages of owning a gas fed fort? Is the fuel consumtion really that high?

As additional input I am based at NCR now and will use the fort for City Driving. But by next year i can be assigned to our provincial offices as far as Mindanao and will be bringing the fort with me

Originally Posted by kmo

just get the 2.7 vvti para less hassle in everything especially the engine and petrol

i agree, my friend drives a 2.7vvti fort and gas consumption for city driving is 7 km/li. not bad for a big automobile; this is more economical than the new honda civic.

**inoba** · November 24th, 2006 05:50 AM

Originally Posted by larshell

Hindi pa naman nangyari sakin ito. Hard/fail starting lang parati ang problema.
Pero may mga Fortuner V 3.0 na ganito ang nangyari yong iba nga sa Makati pa tumirik.

I had a series of fail starting a few months back(Sept) that's why I took it to Toyota Cubao. Same thing, resetting, idling adjustment plus the regular maintenance.

Ano na ba Mileage mo? Bakit daw marumi ang Fuel filter mo? Kung minsan kung ano ano lang sinasabi nila. Kung may time ka bantayan mo yong unit habang ginagawa nila para makita morin kung marumi talaga yong Fuel filter.

Our car milage is 14k+ na. And yes, I watched the the guy in the Toyota casa while he was replacing the fuel filter. Madumi nga. But I questioned them how come Toyota Cubao didn't see that problem considering it was supposed to be covered during the car's periodic maint. for the 10k milage. He wasn't able to answer and started calling T.Cubao. But I was told that no one's answering the phone in that branch. The guy even told me that they had cases of hard/failure starting but never a car stalled right at the middle of the road. It was then that I asked him about the axle recall. Medyo nagulat bat alam ko yon. Maybe they think that any info won't come out para walang fuss sa consumers/Innova owners particularly their prospective buyers. Among the units that I've driven, ito lang talaga ang na-jeopardize ang safety ko...good thing it was just a small(2-lane na 1 way) road. I told him paano kung asa Libis ako kung saan highly-strung ang mga drivers or kung nag-oovertake ako then may kasalubong at tapos ganon nga, the engine died on me. Very disappointing! Mukhang kung anu-ano na nga lang talaga ang alibis/palusot nila.

**co_nixz** · November 24th, 2006 06:26 AM

NISSAN FRONTIER STILL REIGNS as CHAMP King of all PICKUPS

HAIL NISSAN PICKUPS

Nissan Frontier King Cab 2006

Model:
Nissan Frontier King Cab
Year:
2006
Category:
Pickup trucks
Engine size:
3950 ccm (241.03 cubic inches)
Fuel city driving:
14.7 litres/100 km (16.00 miles per gallon)
Fuel mixed driving:
13.1 litres/100 km (18.00 miles per gallon)
Fuel highway driving:
11.8 litres/100 km (20.00 miles per gallon)
Seats:
4
Drive:
Front wheels
Airbags:
6

Engine and transmission

Displacement:
3950 ccm (241.03 cubic inches)
Power:
269.00 PS (198 kW or 265 HP) * 5600 RPM
Torque:
385.10 Nm (39.3 kgf-m or 284.0 ft.lbs) * 4000 RPM
Fuel system:
Injection

Speed and acceleration

Power/weight ratio:
0.1758 PS/kg

Isuzu D-MAX 2005

Model:
Isuzu D-MAX
Year:
2005
Category:
Offroad cars
Engine size:
2999 ccm (183.00 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Transmission:
Manual, 5-speed

Engine and transmission

Displacement:
2999 ccm (183.00 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
131.00 PS (96 kW or 129 HP) * 3800 RPM
Torque:
300.00 Nm (30.6 kgf-m or 221.3 ft.lbs) * 2000 RPM
Fuel system:
Direct injection (DI)
Valves per cylinder:
2
Gearbox:
Manual, 5-speed

Speed and acceleration

Power/weight ratio:
0.0710 PS/kg
Toyota Hilux 3.0 D-4D Double Cab 4x4 Raider 2006

Model:
Toyota Hilux 3.0 D-4D Double Cab 4x4 Raider
Year:
2006

Main features, safety and ecconomy

Engine size:
2982 ccm (181.96 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Transmission:
Manual, 5-speed
Airbags:
8

Engine and transmission

Engine location:
Front, longitudinal
Displacement:
2982 ccm (181.96 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
163.00 PS (120 kW or 161 HP) * 3400 RPM
Torque:
343.00 Nm (35.0 kgf-m or 253.0 ft.lbs) * 1600 RPM
Compression:
17.9:1
Bore x stroke:
86.0 x 71.3 mm (3.4 x 2.8 inches)
Fuel system:
Injection
Valves per cylinder:
4
Lubrication system:
Wet sump
Gearbox:
Manual, 5-speed

Speed and acceleration

Top speed:
170.0 km/h (105.6 mph)

Mitsubishi L200 2.5 TD 2006

Model:
Mitsubishi L200 2.5 TD
Year:
2006
Category:
Pickup trucks
Engine size:
2477 ccm (151.15 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Fuel mixed driving:
8.6 litres/100 km (27.35 miles per gallon)
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Airbags:
4

Engine and transmission

Engine location:
Front, longitudinal
Displacement:
2477 ccm (151.15 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
115.00 PS (85 kW or 113 HP) * 4000 RPM
Torque:
240.00 Nm (24.5 kgf-m or 177.0 ft.lbs) * 2000 RPM
Compression:
21.0:1
Fuel system:
Turbo
Valves per cylinder:
2
Fuel control:
Overhead cam (OHC)
Cooling system:
Liquid

Speed and acceleration

Top speed:
147.0 km/h (91.3 mph)
Power/weight ratio:
0.0632 PS/kg

**nugundam93** · November 24th, 2006 06:49 AM

wow...look at the disparity between the engines...

**redorange** · November 24th, 2006 06:51 AM

Originally Posted by co_nixz

NISSAN FRONTIER STILL REIGNS as CHAMP King of all PICKUPS

HAIL NISSAN PICKUPS

Nissan Frontier King Cab 2006

Model:
Nissan Frontier King Cab
Year:
2006
Category:
Pickup trucks
Engine size:
3950 ccm (241.03 cubic inches)
Fuel city driving:
14.7 litres/100 km (16.00 miles per gallon)
Fuel mixed driving:
13.1 litres/100 km (18.00 miles per gallon)
Fuel highway driving:
11.8 litres/100 km (20.00 miles per gallon)
Seats:
4
Drive:
Front wheels
Airbags:
6

Engine and transmission

Displacement:
3950 ccm (241.03 cubic inches)
Power:
269.00 PS (198 kW or 265 HP) * 5600 RPM
Torque:
385.10 Nm (39.3 kgf-m or 284.0 ft.lbs) * 4000 RPM
Fuel system:
Injection

Speed and acceleration

Power/weight ratio:
0.1758 PS/kg

Isuzu D-MAX 2005

Model:
Isuzu D-MAX
Year:
2005
Category:
Offroad cars
Engine size:
2999 ccm (183.00 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Transmission:
Manual, 5-speed

Engine and transmission

Displacement:
2999 ccm (183.00 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
131.00 PS (96 kW or 129 HP) * 3800 RPM
Torque:
300.00 Nm (30.6 kgf-m or 221.3 ft.lbs) * 2000 RPM
Fuel system:
Direct injection (DI)
Valves per cylinder:
2
Gearbox:
Manual, 5-speed

Speed and acceleration

Power/weight ratio:
0.0710 PS/kg
Toyota Hilux 3.0 D-4D Double Cab 4x4 Raider 2006

Model:
Toyota Hilux 3.0 D-4D Double Cab 4x4 Raider
Year:
2006

Main features, safety and ecconomy

Engine size:
2982 ccm (181.96 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Transmission:
Manual, 5-speed
Airbags:
8

Engine and transmission

Engine location:
Front, longitudinal
Displacement:
2982 ccm (181.96 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
163.00 PS (120 kW or 161 HP) * 3400 RPM
Torque:
343.00 Nm (35.0 kgf-m or 253.0 ft.lbs) * 1600 RPM
Compression:
17.9:1
Bore x stroke:
86.0 x 71.3 mm (3.4 x 2.8 inches)
Fuel system:
Injection
Valves per cylinder:
4
Lubrication system:
Wet sump
Gearbox:
Manual, 5-speed

Speed and acceleration

Top speed:
170.0 km/h (105.6 mph)

Mitsubishi L200 2.5 TD 2006

Model:
Mitsubishi L200 2.5 TD
Year:
2006
Category:
Pickup trucks
Engine size:
2477 ccm (151.15 cubic inches)
Fuel type:
Diesel
Fuel mixed driving:
8.6 litres/100 km (27.35 miles per gallon)
Seats:
5
Drive:
4WD
Airbags:
4

Engine and transmission

Engine location:
Front, longitudinal
Displacement:
2477 ccm (151.15 cubic inches)
Engine type:
Inline, 4 cylinder
Power:
115.00 PS (85 kW or 113 HP) * 4000 RPM
Torque:
240.00 Nm (24.5 kgf-m or 177.0 ft.lbs) * 2000 RPM
Compression:
21.0:1
Fuel system:
Turbo
Valves per cylinder:
2
Fuel control:
Overhead cam (OHC)
Cooling system:
Liquid

Speed and acceleration

Top speed:
147.0 km/h (91.3 mph)
Power/weight ratio:
0.0632 PS/kg

Isn't it unfair to compare the 4 cylinder diesel engines of the other makes to a 4L VQ40 V6 gas engine of Nissan. Besides having a full liter advantage in displacement vs Toyota and Isuzu, it also has 2 more cylinders than all three makes. As for getting 18mpg on mixed driving that is very optimistic, I can only get 15.5 to 16 on my VQ40 in my truck.

Edit: The Frontier with the specs you showed also isn't sold in Manila AFAIK since they still sell the old model in Manila.

**mikey177** · November 24th, 2006 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by redorange

Isn't it unfair to compare the 4 cylinder diesel engines of the other makes to a 4L VQ40 V6 gas engine of Nissan...

More importantly, what does the post of co_nixz have to do with Toyota D4-D engine woes?

**larshell** · November 24th, 2006 10:44 AM

Yup OT na kyo

inoba, So kamusta ng unit mo ngayon? Wala ba silang sinabi kung san galing dumi ng fuel filter? Sa tingin ko dapat kausapin mo yong warranty officer ng casa mo at sabihin mong hindi dapat mag fail yong fuel filter mo kasi that fuel filter is design to last up to 40,000km. Your fuel filter fails to filter foreign elements kaya nag stall yong Innova mo.

**inoba** · November 24th, 2006 06:06 PM

Thanks for the tip sir larshell. I'm still observing kung magi-improve ang performance ng oto namin. Don't want to test-drive it ng malayo...baka bigla na naman akong itirik sa daan.

Just makes me wonder if my unit's a lemon. Mukhang mas okay pa yong 2nd hand car na nabili namin vs. this unit.