Electric Vios

[uls]

Sayang nga that the car companies aren't bringing in more of their small cars into the Philippines - you'd think that with gas prices being so high, the small roads and tight parking spaces, and of course the relatively lower buying capability income-wise, that these cars would be the first thing that would sell. We really are a wasteland compared to western countries - when I was working in the UK, you'd see Nissan Micras, Mitsubishi Colts, Smart ForTwos and ForFours, Renault Clios, Fiat 500s, Toyota Aygos, Ford Kas and other small cars all over the place.

glad you brought that up

the reason for the very limited variety of cars sold here is coz CAMPI limits our choices

not only will they not offer us more choices, CAMPI (thru govt lobbying) prevents independent car importers from making more choices available to us

kung ano sa tingin nila magiging mabenta, yan lang ibebenta nila

they will not assemble or bring in cars that won't sell

[ghosthunter]

Sayang nga that the car companies aren't bringing in more of their small cars into the Philippines - you'd think that with gas prices being so high, the small roads and tight parking spaces, and of course the relatively lower buying capability income-wise, that these cars would be the first thing that would sell. We really are a wasteland compared to western countries - when I was working in the UK, you'd see Nissan Micras, Mitsubishi Colts, Smart ForTwos and ForFours, Renault Clios, Fiat 500s, Toyota Aygos, Ford Kas and other small cars all over the place.

The answer is obvious. Our car market is simply too small. With such a small market, car companies can not support many car models.

In the UK, the car market is huge since it also includes the entire european market which is potentially millions of units.

[tidus1203]

I don't think we are ready to accept cars that small... And to add on ghosthunter's point small cars have low profit margins... In a small market like this, you need greater margins so the business can be sustained... In bigger markets where volume is greater, smaller margin cars could be viable as long as the volume is there...

[anonemus]

Regarding Berkshire Hathaway, yes they made successful investments over the years but they are not perfect take for example BH's investments in US Air, Dexter Shoes, General Re so they do make blunders as well... Who knows BYD can be one of those...

No company's perfect but HB's batting average is better than the Dow average since the 60s.

GM invested $17M into a battery tech company as well
http://smartenergynews.net/2011/02/0...es-17-million/

And the other manufacturers are scrambling to follow suit

and here is their product



says the rollout will be in 2013

also says the design is not final

it better be not final. it's damn ugly

Not only damn ugly but BUTT ugly! But really, BYD's crown jewel is their battery tech, not cars. (Sidenote: first the Japs dominated the market, then now the Koreans are coming in strong. In the future, the Chinese and Indians might follow suit if the others haven't learned the lesson. This is also one reason why VW, Ford, Daimler and others are partnering with Chinese companies...

in less than 5 years, SMC will probably own most of Petron

Most probably, but SMC has recognized that power, infra and mining are the future. They're about to float P2B bonds soon...

San Miguel Corp. will use proceeds from what could be the country’s biggest share sale to fund acquisitions aimed at deepening its exposure in high growth power and infrastructure sectors, its president said.

http://www.malaya.com.ph/feb16/busi8.html

[uls]

dude, RE electric car batteries, this discussion isnt new

i posted this on Jan. 09, 2010

http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showt...=38959&page=32

electric car battery manufacturers:

A123Systems (US) --lithium ion

Altairnano (US) -- lithium titanate

Axeon (UK, EU) -- lithium ion

E-One Moli Energy (Taiwan) -- lithium-ion

Electrovaya (Canada) -- lithium-ion

EnerDel (US) -- lithium-ion

NEC

Panasonic EV Energy Co

Sanyo

Valence Technology (US) -- lithium ion

LG Chem

SB LiMotive (SK/Germany) -- lithium-ion

[uls]

Most probably, but SMC has recognized that power, infra and mining are the future. They're about to float P2B bonds soon...

because SMC people are rational

unlike conspiracy theorists who think oil companies are afraid of alt energy and are doing everything they can to stop the rise of alt energy

--

the world will depend on crude oil for energy for many many more years

oil companies will drill holes in the ground for many more years to come

[anonemus]

BYD's first plug-in hybrid car to be sold in the US is the F3DM. Parang 2007 Corolla.





http://www.plugincars.com/first-driv...id-106831.html

[uls]

^^^

you might be interested in this:

2011 greenest cars:

http://www.greenercars.org/highlights_greenest.htm

here's how they rate the vehicles:

http://www.greenercars.org/greenbook_method.htm

LEV, ULEV, SULEV, PZEV and stuff

http://www.greenercars.org/highlights_byclass.htm

[uls]

how a natural gas vehicle can be greener than electric?

they took into consideration the environmental impact of electricity production by power plants, battery manufacturing and disposal

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/gree...chevrolet.html

Greenest cars: natural gas Honda Civic GX, Nissan Leaf electric and, just barely, Chevrolet Volt
February 15, 2011 | 12:25 pm

For a list of the greenest 2011 model-year vehicles, there sure are a lot of traditional gasoline engines among the top 12 cars ranked by the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy.

The council's 14th annual ratings of the most eco-friendly cars on the market include internal combustion models such as the Smart Fortwo, the Ford Fiesta and the Hyundai Elantra.

The natural gas-powered Honda Civic GX topped the list for an eighth straight year, with a score of 54, followed by the new all-electric Nissan Leaf. Other vehicles considered to be the greenest of the crop included the hybrid Toyota Prius and the hybrid electric Chevrolet Volt, which squeaked into the last spot.

The electric version of the Smart Fortwo would have pulled in a score of 60, but with only 250 units of the 2011 model available in the U.S. (and then only on a trial basis), the car didn't meet sales requirements for the list.

"Vehicles running on electricity emit nothing from the tailpipe, but their 'upstream' emissions can be substantial, depending on where they're charged," said Therese Langer, the organization's director. "As U.S. power generation becomes cleaner, these vehicles' scores will rise."

The battery manufacturing and disposal processes -– which can be emissions-laden and toxic -– were also factored into the calculations and knocked electricity-dependent vehicles down a few rungs.

Diesel vehicles missed out entirely. Other talked-about cars, such as the electric Tesla Roadster, didn't make the cut.

[anonemus]

thanks for the links, sir uls!

Actually, various studies have shown that even when the upstream sources is 'polluted', its still 30-40% less polluting than fossil fuel cars + refineries...