2023 Toyota Yaris Cross

[carxynogen]

The dashboard MID of the vehicle has a page with the complete information. they could have showed it go one page to the right (if I recall) then up/down on the screen. It shows the logs of how the numbers panned out and not just say the speed they were travelling at the time. It shows. FC Average, total running time (hours and minutes, or would even show minutes and seconds during the first hour logged), total distance logged to get the 2 figures, and average speed logged (distance travelled logged divided by total running time logged). The only data you don't see is the estimated liters the car assumes you've used up during the whole trip being logged/recorded.

It includes any slow downs at the toll booths, all slow downs along the trip that the car was logging the data in order to come up with the 25.1 kms average seen on the page they showed, it was limited information basically and rely on word of mouth. They even said in the video at the 06:00 minute mark they logged 14km/l but on the screen it clearly showed 13.5km/l. That is acceptable based on friend's experience where average speed logged is around 12-13kmph at most. But that's where the disconnect I have is. The data is clearly available to show but they didn't. Why?

If they showed that page, you could remove any misconception that they did a reset again in the middle of the highway run and had only been logging the FC for less than an hour within SCTEX only, excluding the slow downs mentioned. If your speed on the Kicks is around 60kph or higher, the engine will actually try to charge your batteries close to full 4 bars. If you reach around 2 bars, it will try to charge it back up again at those highway speeds. In the city where speeds are expected to be lower, the Kicks will automatically charge around 2 full bars only. That's why I have a disconnect with the data they are saying because the information was incomplete.

I appreciate what they do but just want them to be transparent about it. Why do I find issue with it? Because car buyers (relies on reviews only) will take what they say/show at face value and might suddenly be surprised it isn't performing as expected. Keep expectations realistic and documented properly for me.

And if it was properly documented and logged, then if your own vehicle isn't performing comparably, then you could check the variance and if it is too huge, then might be time to have your vehicle checked.

Keeping up at 100kph speeds will really drop your FC below 25km/l (unless flat or sloping downward). I've driven the Kicks with my friend, so we actually lowered our max speed to around 90kph to keep the FC higher. Of course, we were logging from pt of origin to destination, not just along highway (that would be silly of us to do at any given time because you need to check the logged data of FC via manual compute to remove any doubt you are "too optimistic" with FC figures)

Hopefully when they do test the Yaris Cross HEV (and even Innova Zenix) there will be a page on the MID like that showing all the data clearly as I mentioned for the Kicks, and they document it properly before making FC pronouncements. I'd like to have that information as they are useful to know. I think on the big 3, AI, CG and TGPh, CG is the only one that shows FC with the average speed, if they do show results, along with the type of fuel used at least? Correct me if I am wrong.

What's the variant of your friend's Kicks po?
It would be interesting to do a comparo between the Kicks VL vs Yaris Cross HEV.
Parang mismatch kasi comparo Yaris Cross V vs Kicks VE.
It's interior comfort/features vs HEV advantage.

Feature-wise and interior wise, NVH level, and performance, which car is better?

[17Sphynx17]

What's the variant of your friend's Kicks po?
It would be interesting to do a comparo between the Kicks VL vs Yaris Cross HEV.
Parang mismatch kasi comparo Yaris Cross V vs Kicks VE.
It's interior comfort/features vs HEV advantage.

Feature-wise and interior wise, NVH level, and performance, which car is better?

His is a Nissan Kicks VE (basically the middle trim). We haven't checked out the Yaris Cross HEV so no idea to compare but as anecdotal from me and his mom (as passengers), the Kicks cushions/seats are great, especially when compared to the Montero ('12), Sylphy ('14) and Fortuner ('18). But, if there would be an upgrade that Nissan could really introduce to the Kicks, it might be the suspension. Better dampening. It isn't a bouncy ride, but since the tires are thin sidewall profiles, gap between the tire and wheelarch isn't that big, there is very limited suspension travel for the car so it kind of easily gets "bottomed out" if you don't properly slow down for bumps/humps/potholes.

Don't know how the suspension of the Yaris Cross HEV Compares but I am guessing it would be "similar" as it is a value vehicle with a hybrid system added to it, but correct me if I am wrong.

Also wonder why the Yaris Cross wasn't a 2 model HEV lineup only? a "base" HEV G trim and TOTL HEV "S" or "V" Trim? hypothetically speaking. The Kicks being of the same segment, having a base model and mid trim that are both hybrids, with costs lower by at least 300k make the Kicks a bit more accessible to the mass market. So it's puzzling to me why it wasn't introduced to compete or take marketshare away from the Kicks by Toyota PH?

[carxynogen]

Also wonder why the Yaris Cross wasn't a 2 model HEV lineup only? a "base" HEV G trim and TOTL HEV "S" or "V" Trim? hypothetically speaking. The Kicks being of the same segment, having a base model and mid trim that are both hybrids, with costs lower by at least 300k make the Kicks a bit more accessible to the mass market. So it's puzzling to me why it wasn't introduced to compete or take marketshare away from the Kicks by Toyota PH?

Part of the strategy is huwag ilapag lahat variant in one launch.
There's another time to do it, lalo na medyo marami ng product launch nagawa Toyota this fiscal year.
It will cannibalize V variant if they launch it all in one go.
Also, baka boring na next year, so probably that's the time they will introduce this.

[17Sphynx17]

Part of the strategy is huwag ilapag lahat variant in one launch.
There's another time to do it, lalo na medyo marami ng product launch nagawa Toyota this fiscal year.
It will cannibalize V variant if they launch it all in one go.
Also, baka boring na next year, so probably that's the time they will introduce this.

maybe. I guess, parang Nintendo Switch yan. kung malakas naman benta, no point to sell a new model/price point. pabayaan na magslow down muna sales tsaka na ulit mag "launching". hehe

[GTcervan]

Daming nagbebenta ng raize ngayon sa used car market. Mga mukhang mag-uupgrade sa yaris cross. Samantalang last year, bukang bibig nila nung kapapalabas pa lang lol.

[carxynogen]

Daming nagbebenta ng raize ngayon sa used car market. Mga mukhang mag-uupgrade sa yaris cross. Samantalang last year, bukang bibig nila nung kapapalabas pa lang lol.

Akala ko sa lugar lang namin to, sa ibang lugar din pala.
Napansin ko din dami ng nagbebenta raize sa marketplace.
Also, trying to look for second hand na Corolla Cross, hirap pa rin makahanap.
To think, ilang years na siya sa PH market.
May quality issues ata tong raize why naglipana na sa second hand market.

[GTcervan]

Akala ko sa lugar lang namin to, sa ibang lugar din pala.
Napansin ko din dami ng nagbebenta raize sa marketplace.
Also, trying to look for second hand na Corolla Cross, hirap pa rin makahanap.
To think, ilang years na siya sa PH market.
May quality issues ata tong raize why naglipana na sa second hand market.

Parang nawalan ng hype sa tao eh haha. Sa una lang sikat although in fairness, madami naman na sa kalsada na probably due to badging din. And i don't think may quality issues eto pero iirc, may recall ata dati sa safety or design ng platform/structure. Not sure lang if affected local units dito. Pero naging affected ung reputation siguro.

And regarding corolla cross, parang bihira padin makakita neto sa labas since may kamahalan plus still malakas ang demand sa 7/8-seater diesels satin.

[bxr monkey]

Sumama ako sa test drive ng Yaris Cross HEV. Okay din pala 360 camera at power tailgate with kick sensor. Tapos hindi umaabot sa 100% charge ang battery. At most nasa 50% to 60% top charge. For Lithium battery life daw. 12V battery nasa trunk. Pag pindot ng start button, hindi pala umaandar ang ICE. Uundar lang ito kung mababa na battery or kailangan ng power. Since low capacity battery, aandar din siya every now and then. Parang AC compressor. So sa drive may time na tahimik, may time na may engine noise.

Given iyong budget at use case ko, sa Raize E CVT pa din. Hehe.

[ale828]

The Toyota Hybrid system has a pure EV mode but before it was limited to 20mph, if you go any higher speed then the ICE engine would start, if the Battery percentage goes below a certain level (cant remember the level) the ICE engine would start. you can basically crawl in EDSA bumper to bumper rush hour traffic until the battery level gets too low.

[carxynogen]

Question: Tatakbo pa rin ba Hybrid Vehicle if walang battery? Yung literal na tinanggal talaga battery?