MMDA to put microchips on buses to improve traffic flow

[Stoner]

The project is quite ambitious, but knowing the average, cunning Filipino (matalino sa maling paraan), the scheme won't be as effective as they've envisioned it to be. I'd rather have an centralized, intelligent stoplight and traffic monitoring system in place than that.

But who knows? maybe this will be miraculously successful. Only Time can tell when I'm going to have to eat my words...

[trackers888]

from inquirer.net


Hopefully with this technology makatulong ito para sa pagsolve ng heavy traffic.

Sana maging positive naman ang result

[meledson]

narinig ko over the AM radio kaning umaga sa interview kay bayani. Kasabay ng RF tags ay ang mga barriers. pag lumabas ang mga bus na may RF tags, may fine sila.

Ang mga walang tags ay mga colorum buses.

OT: di ba dati may mga nahuli na more than 3 buses having the same plate number. Photocopy lang ang franchise kaya nakakalusot. This time, di basta basta ma clone ang mga RF tags na ito.

Less busses sa EDSA, less traffic.

[A121]

The project is quite ambitious, but knowing the average, cunning Filipino (matalino sa maling paraan), the scheme won't be as effective as they've envisioned it to be. I'd rather have an centralized, intelligent stoplight and traffic monitoring system in place than that.

But who knows? maybe this will be miraculously successful. Only Time can tell when I'm going to have to eat my words...

mahirap ata dayain ang RFID or such type of microchips, afaik.

[webmiester]

The project is quite ambitious, but knowing the average, cunning Filipino (matalino sa maling paraan), the scheme won't be as effective as they've envisioned it to be. I'd rather have an centralized, intelligent stoplight and traffic monitoring system in place than that.

But who knows? maybe this will be miraculously successful. Only Time can tell when I'm going to have to eat my words...

From what ABS-CBN used to say, we have the 2nd most advanced Stoplight and Traffic Monitoring System in Asia - 2nd only to Japan... the main problem really is that most people dont actually follow them properly!

[mbeige]

New ideas present new problems. Kung lalagyan ng microchips, saan nila ilalagay yung receivers? This means since the microchips will transmit signals to receivers around the metro, the receivers should be very reliable. Otherwise they're just wasting taxpayers' money.

Oh wait, they're already doing that last bit. Never mind.

[A121]

New ideas present new problems. Kung lalagyan ng microchips, saan nila ilalagay yung receivers? This means since the microchips will transmit signals to receivers around the metro, the receivers should be very reliable. Otherwise they're just wasting taxpayers' money.

Oh wait, they're already doing that last bit. Never mind.

It is best that they contact some local academic institution for research in these types of gadgets.

[Stoner]

From what ABS-CBN used to say, we have the 2nd most advanced Stoplight and Traffic Monitoring System in Asia - 2nd only to Japan... the main problem really is that most people dont actually follow them properly!

Hm... really? I didn't know that piece of news...

I honestly don't see how ABS-CBN could claim that we have the 2nd most advanced traffic management system in Asia, considering the traffic chokepoints caused by 'dumb' stoplights.

Well, not unles you count the stoplights tampered by local enforcement to feed their, hm... cravings. 'Advanced' nga kuno...

But yes, your point is well taken. Dami talagang pasaway sa daan kaya din traffic.


Anyway, regarding the scheme at hand, is it possible to find some way to block the signal emitted by the RFID's? Because that's the first thing I could think of the operators would do so that their vehicles won't be subjected to any form of control (which the idea will grow into eventually).

[Hero]

i really think the best way to discipline these bus driving pinheads is to link 5-6 buses together..so it would be very hard to swerve and overtake one another..all buses would occupy one lane.. parang train..di na kailangan ng rf kickback transmitter na yan...

[webmiester]

Hm... really? I didn't know that piece of news...

I honestly don't see how ABS-CBN could claim that we have the 2nd most advanced traffic management system in Asia, considering the traffic chokepoints caused by 'dumb' stoplights.

Anyway, regarding the scheme at hand, is it possible to find some way to block the signal emitted by the RFID's? Because that's the first thing I could think of the operators would do so that their vehicles won't be subjected to any form of control (which the idea will grow into eventually).

Actually it was public concern message broadcasted by ABS-CBN panahon pa ni Ramos yata that had this, so baka hindi na tayo yung 2nd most advanced ngayon...

Im sure bus drivers can just cut the electrical wire leading to the RFID device, or transfer it to a location on the bus where it will be more beneficial to them... eto ngang mga taxi metered na digital and sealed napapakialam nga rin e...

[sirmykel]

sana implement din nila ito sa mga jeepneys and tricycles
at sana hindi kayang matamper at hindi madaling masira
yung mga chips na yan

[jing]

I just interpret it the way it was printed. As I understand it, the microchip will be use to monitor so as to further understand the traffic situation in our streets. Understanding it will hopefully lead to a better, improved solution. Real time data gathering.
At least MMDA never runs out of ideas and never tires to experiment which serves us best.

[sirmykel]

^^^^

kaya nga love ko si bayani eh,
hindi talaga natutulog hehehe
although hirap lang paka intindihin yung mga hindi nakaka intindi sa principles nya. :D

[rfb_arki]

From what ABS-CBN used to say, we have the 2nd most advanced Stoplight and Traffic Monitoring System in Asia - 2nd only to Japan... the main problem really is that most people dont actually follow them properly!

not by a very long shot...in general we havent upgraded our trafic monitoring whatchamathingy...from hardware to software to control center for quite some time...

[CVT]

I just interpret it the way it was printed. As I understand it, the microchip will be use to monitor so as to further understand the traffic situation in our streets. Understanding it will hopefully lead to a better, improved solution. Real time data gathering.
At least MMDA never runs out of ideas and never tires to experiment which serves us best.

Magpatayo ka na lang ng mga matitinong enforcers sa kahabaan ng EDSA at manghuli na lang ang mga ito consistently ng naaayon sa batas trapiko at magpataw ng mataas na cash penalty... Solve na ang problema natin sa trapik sa EDSA....

Isama mo na rin ang panghuhuli ng mga mauusok na sasakyan.... Anon'g emission emission test? Tumingin ka lang, mag-picture at manghuli sa kalye,- maraming babagsak na mga sasakyan sa usok na inilalabas nila...

4707:santas:

[CVT]

from inquirer.net


Hopefully with this technology makatulong ito para sa pagsolve ng heavy traffic.

This is just data gathering. May be used or not. However, IMO, the real problem is the just and consistent implementation of our existing traffic rules and regulations.

4707:santas:

[drey]

Meron isang lavander na bus, malinis at di tumitigil ng matagal. Lagi ko yung inaabangan kasi mabilis ang byahe (di sila nagtitimawa ng pasahero kaya mabilis, kaya lang marami na nakadiskobre kaya lagi na ring puno).

Manrose ata ito. Yung King Long Bus. Dami kasi sumasakay. The best bus for me.
Pangeeeeeeeeeeeeeet ng mga bus ng iba.

Dapat Jeepney meron din nito. Para walang kotong, 1/2 day imprisonment na.

[Radical!]

It's about time.

Europe had recordable hard discs installed in tourist buses as early as the 1980's to regulate speed (limited to 90kph), record road usage (in carriageways and city streets), and record the number of hours (and time of day) bus drivers drive. This information is surrendered between borders to check/regulate and if necessary penalize/fine bus companies.

Singapore's CBD system on the other hand also worked. The existing transponder system installed in the CBD regulates traffic by taxing vehicles entering traffic-prone CBD areas.

I hope the MMDA acquires a dated and automated system to help augment the traffic in Metro Manila AND keep these buses in check 24/7 while MMDA traffic aides go ahead and continue doing what they are supposed to do.

[danesjr]

sana mag-work. pero palagay ko hindi.
sabi ni bayani, since automatic na ang pag-record ng violation, wala ng diskusyon with the enforcer. sana nga gumana.

[architect]

An old article from Manila Times - http://manilatimes.net/others/specia...21217spe1.html

'Smart' traffic lights not living up to their name
By Jena T. Balaoro, Reporter

EDSA is Metro Manila’s busiest highway. Over 156,000 of the 1.3 million vehicles in Metro Manila use it everyday — often moving at a crawl, no faster than 15 kph. That’s about the jogging speed of an average adult man.
The EDSA situation is typical of the overall traffic picture in Metro Manila, which is officially the National Capital Region. Heavy traffic is one of the scourges of its 12 million-plus residents.
Government has tried several schemes to clear notoriously clogged up intersections and speed up traffic flow. None of them has been sa*tisfactory.
In 1995, the Department of Public Works and Highways thought it found the solution in the Sydney Coordinated Adoptive Traffic System (SCATS). Costing $702.27 million, proponents dubbed it SMART for being supposedly a fully automated traffic light system. But critics soon described it as the dumbest project commissioned by the DPWH and the Metropolitan Manila Development Authority.
The SMART system relies on computers and underground road sensors to detect and give traffic signals adjusted to the volume of vehicles passing through 421 of the metropolis’ 450 intersections.
The sensors were supposed to “know” which side to give the “go” signal to. Until today, the SMART’s intersection traffic lights have never achieved perfect synchronization. The Traffic Engineering Center blames the failure on the delayed and protracted implementation of SCATS.
But in 1997, a congressional committee investigation heard then DPWH Secretary Gregorio Vigilar blame the differences between the old traffic system and the SMART system for the failure of the project.
The installation of the SMART system was originally scheduled for completion in 2000. It is still only partially installed.
TEC Chief Godofredo Galano says the investigation by the House Committee on Good Government, Committee on Public Works and the Committee on Transportation in 1997 caused the delay.
Suspicions of overpricing and warnings he got that the SCAT system would not work here prompted then Quezon City 2nd District Rep. Dante Liban to call for a probe on the project five years ago. Liban now heads the Technical Education and Skills Development Authority.
“I remember that we received complaints that the Smart traffic light project of the TEC was not suitable with the present infrastructure of Metro Manila. The price of the project was also a major concern,” Liban told The Times.
Galano, however, insists that objections to the SMART/SCATS system come from certain people it was driving out of business.
“I don’t want to raise these charges again because maraming nasaktan nuong palitan ‘yung old system sa new system (many people got hurt when the new system replaced the old), ” he explained. He refused to elaborate on this allegation.
It was Victor Roxas, Galano’s former assistant at TEC who is said to hold a grudge against his former boss, who brought SMART/SCATS to then Congressman Liban’s attention.
The DPWH and the Australian government sealed the contract for SMART/SCATS in December 1995. But in 1993, TEC’s Japanese consultants had recommended an upgrade for the existing Metro Manila traffic system. The recom*mendation, which called for an overhaul, would have cost the government P943.72 million.
Spare parts for the repair of the old system were no longer available, so new types of controllers needed to be installed the Japanese consul*tants, Fukuyama, told the DPWH in 1994.
The DPWH officials therefore decided against repairing the old system and using what they thought was relatively outdated Japanese technology.
The DPWH actually received four other proposals. There was the French’s Prodyn, whose suppliers would have been Garbarini and BCEOM. Quicknet from the USA was being offered by Abratique. The British were presenting the SCOOT system. And the Australians had their SCATS, represented by AWA, Ltd.
Prodyn and Quicknet were disqualified because they didn’t have enough international users, unlike Australia’s SCATS and the UK’s Split Cycle Offset Optimize Traffic Control System (SCOOT), which were successful in many types of traffic situations around the world.
Vigilar said SCATS and SCOOT initially appeared appropriate for Manila traffic.
The DPWH finally chose SCATS because it was cheaper and, according to an initial study, would be as effective here in Metro Manila as it had been in Cebu City.
Vigilar even succeeded in negotiating for a 12-percent discount, bringing down the cost from the initial contract value of $22.950 million or P587.7 million to P525 million. Govern*ment also won concessions for $1.25-million worth of free equipment from AWA. But even with the concessions, govern*ment still has to pay a total of $702.27 million for nine years, inclusive of the 3.4-percent annual interest.
The state-of-the-art SMART has not eased Manila traffic.
But the country is bound to pay the full contract amount to AWA Ltd. The agreement reached was for government to make semi-annual payments of the principal beginning June 1995 until December 2012. This is on top of miscellaneous fees: a finance fee of $1,236,816; an establishment fee, $68.850; and a commitment fee, $56,513.
The system is under warranty until 2004 — only a year after it is completely installed next year.