ATF fluid used in CVT Transmission

[StockEngine]

Hello thank you ulit sa ilan na mga maaayos sumagot dito sa thread. Grabe pala talaga sumagot yung ibang member dito. Meron na nga akong disclaimer na hindi ako masyado marunong sa sasakyan umpisa pa lang haha and I don't think ikinatanga na agad kasi hindi ako marunong mag fix ng sasakyan, tanggapin na natin na hindi naman lahat ng tao sa mundo e kasing expert nyo. Kaya nga nagtatanong eh para sana magkaron sana ng idea and matuto. Kaso yung ibang sagot dito e napaka-unbelievable naman pala, ang layo na masyado.

Anyway, I just want to answer sana kahit papano sa mga nagcriticize/nagtatanong sa thread.

1.Nagtatanong ako ng maayos. Ang tanong ko is kung ano yung possible na sira ng sasakyan and kung ano ba yung magandang
step na gawin (kung ano yung dapat ko ipa-thorough ipapacheck sa casa).
2.Ang sabi ko "IF POSSIBLE" na mailaban sa Shell. Kahit naman din paikot-ikutin natin yung nangyare nagkamali din naman talaga sila. Kalma lang, hindi ko naman sila aanuhin ng wala din akong proof. Nagconsult na din ako sa Suzuki about it. Once mapatunayan na ang root ng sira ng sasakyan e dahil dun sa nangyare, liable talaga ang Shell. Wala naman kasi hahabulin kung walang naman nagawang mali. Kung hindi naman pala nila talaga alam ang gagawin e di sana hindi na lang tinanggap.
3.About naman sa pagbili ng fluid, tinanong ko naman yan sa manager ng Shell, kasi ineexpect ko talaga na ako ang bibili or kasama sya. Pero sinabi sakin na yung mekaniko na lang ang bibili.
4.Pumayag ako kasi nagbilin naman ako na sa Suzuki bumili para sure and they agreed. They even looked for nearby Suzuki dealerships on Google.
5.Ang update lang samin, naghahanap daw ng ibang Casa ng Suzuki yung gagawa kasi wala daw stock. Nagkagulatan na lang na bukod sa nakabalik na pala yung mga gumagawa, ni hindi man lang ako sinabihan na iba pala ang binili nilang fluid.
6.About naman sa pagdadrive ko nung natagasan ako, my first instinct was to drive the car to the nearest auto shop or gas station since I personally consider it as emergency. Kinabahan na din ako kaya dinala ko sa pinakamalapit na pwede ko pagdalhan.
7. Wala naman ako sinabi na nadrain yung fluid ang sabi ko tumagas. Dumating ako sa Shell may laman pa din. Tinanong ko din sa Casa kung nakasama din ba yun, pero ang sabi hindi naman kasi kumbaga may laman pa din. Masama kung nasimot na tapos inandar pa.
8. There's a difference between naghahanap ng kakampi sa nagtatanong. Aanuhin ko ang kakampi? Maaayos ba nyan yung sasakyan ko? LOL daming cancer.

Again, nagpapasalamat pa din ako sa mga matitinong sumagot ng maayos sa tanong at hindi na pinalayo yung sagot. It's okay to
be blunt pero sana binasa muna ng maayos kasi maayos din ako nagtatanong. Meron nga maayos na sumagot e. Siguro depende din sa kitid ng utak ng tao kung uunahin mo ba makatulong o uunahin mo i-brag yung alam mo. Hindi naman ako nagmamalinis sa post na 'to eh. Wala naman ako binanggit na wala akong mali. Nagkwento lang ako ng brief history para mas maintindihan at hindi para mas i-judge pa. Well, nangyare na eh. Mas malaking pagkakamali na dito pa ako napunta. I posted this to other auto groups in hopes of getting proper and clear responses but this is the only forum that replied with so much angst and even had the audacity to parade superiority when all I ever sought for was counsel.

Its amusing how one become an expert on a specific skill but has never honed proper socialization. You can be an expert and be humble at it at the same time. Tama pala yung naririnig ko, masyadong self-righteous yung mga tao dito. [/B]

you really hit a titanic iceberg.. it wrecked that plastic underbody cover too. I service my transmission fluid and the bottom is thick aluminium. kinda weird that jatco bottom is thin.

[travajante]

At this point, it's futile pinpointing the exact reason of mechanical failure. The hit punctured the pan (You should be able to work this with your insurance).
Fluid starvation while car was driven could've caused damage nobody, not even the dealership, could guage. Quoting their speculations won't hold water.
Running on wrong fluid, a definite nono. CVTs, once they go downhill, they self destruct to irreparability.
Your best route shouldn't be fault-finding but fixing via insurance & dealership. Let's pray that'll be a smooth 1. Should that route be impassable, weigh on the cost of a new tranny against the car's current value. If the ratio is too close to be practical, go less ideal option of a used unit, preferably from a low mile salvage than an uncertain 'surplus'. You might end up w/ a junk replacement or 1 that's on its way. Whatever you choose, renew the fluid.
On forum reaction? Regardless of how the messages were delivered, they all were sound. Nobody can turn bad news good, however one spins. Me? I'd rather have someone knock me some sense & move on than play the blame game or being stuck staring at spilt milk....or fluid, in this case. Sorry, just had to.
Again, wish you a quick recovery & hopefully hindsight will show that the shadow who followed you was indeed your good conscience.

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[dr. d]

i am now confused.
TS narrated how he got his oilpan punctured by a large rock, and how the gas station mechanics fixed it.
...how did the CVT/ATF get into the picture? hindi ba hiwalay yang CVT sa engine oil?

..traditional home-made-self-taught auto mechanic here, back when cars had carburators, cast iron engine blocks, two-speed AT and three-speed column-mounted MT.

[travajante]

i am now confused.
TS narrated how he got his oilpan punctured by a large rock, and how the gas station mechanics fixed it.
...how did the CVT/ATF get into the picture? hindi ba hiwalay yang CVT sa engine oil?

..traditional home-made-self-taught auto mechanic here, back when cars had carburators, cast iron engine blocks, two-speed AT and three-speed column-mounted MT.

The CVT sump was the one punctured, doc.

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[17Sphynx17]

Hello thank you ulit sa ilan na mga maaayos sumagot dito sa thread. Grabe pala talaga sumagot yung ibang member dito. Meron na nga akong disclaimer na hindi ako masyado marunong sa sasakyan umpisa pa lang haha and I don't think ikinatanga na agad kasi hindi ako marunong mag fix ng sasakyan, tanggapin na natin na hindi naman lahat ng tao sa mundo e kasing expert nyo. Kaya nga nagtatanong eh para sana magkaron sana ng idea and matuto. Kaso yung ibang sagot dito e napaka-unbelievable naman pala, ang layo na masyado.

Anyway, I just want to answer sana kahit papano sa mga nagcriticize/nagtatanong sa thread.

1.Nagtatanong ako ng maayos. Ang tanong ko is kung ano yung possible na sira ng sasakyan and kung ano ba yung magandang
step na gawin (kung ano yung dapat ko ipa-thorough ipapacheck sa casa).
2.Ang sabi ko "IF POSSIBLE" na mailaban sa Shell. Kahit naman din paikot-ikutin natin yung nangyare nagkamali din naman talaga sila. Kalma lang, hindi ko naman sila aanuhin ng wala din akong proof. Nagconsult na din ako sa Suzuki about it. Once mapatunayan na ang root ng sira ng sasakyan e dahil dun sa nangyare, liable talaga ang Shell. Wala naman kasi hahabulin kung walang naman nagawang mali. Kung hindi naman pala nila talaga alam ang gagawin e di sana hindi na lang tinanggap.
3.About naman sa pagbili ng fluid, tinanong ko naman yan sa manager ng Shell, kasi ineexpect ko talaga na ako ang bibili or kasama sya. Pero sinabi sakin na yung mekaniko na lang ang bibili.
4.Pumayag ako kasi nagbilin naman ako na sa Suzuki bumili para sure and they agreed. They even looked for nearby Suzuki dealerships on Google.
5.Ang update lang samin, naghahanap daw ng ibang Casa ng Suzuki yung gagawa kasi wala daw stock. Nagkagulatan na lang na bukod sa nakabalik na pala yung mga gumagawa, ni hindi man lang ako sinabihan na iba pala ang binili nilang fluid.
6.About naman sa pagdadrive ko nung natagasan ako, my first instinct was to drive the car to the nearest auto shop or gas station since I personally consider it as emergency. Kinabahan na din ako kaya dinala ko sa pinakamalapit na pwede ko pagdalhan.
7. Wala naman ako sinabi na nadrain yung fluid ang sabi ko tumagas. Dumating ako sa Shell may laman pa din. Tinanong ko din sa Casa kung nakasama din ba yun, pero ang sabi hindi naman kasi kumbaga may laman pa din. Masama kung nasimot na tapos inandar pa.
8. There's a difference between naghahanap ng kakampi sa nagtatanong. Aanuhin ko ang kakampi? Maaayos ba nyan yung sasakyan ko? LOL daming cancer.

Again, nagpapasalamat pa din ako sa mga matitinong sumagot ng maayos sa tanong at hindi na pinalayo yung sagot. It's okay to
be blunt pero sana binasa muna ng maayos kasi maayos din ako nagtatanong. Meron nga maayos na sumagot e. Siguro depende din sa kitid ng utak ng tao kung uunahin mo ba makatulong o uunahin mo i-brag yung alam mo. Hindi naman ako nagmamalinis sa post na 'to eh. Wala naman ako binanggit na wala akong mali. Nagkwento lang ako ng brief history para mas maintindihan at hindi para mas i-judge pa. Well, nangyare na eh. Mas malaking pagkakamali na dito pa ako napunta. I posted this to other auto groups in hopes of getting proper and clear responses but this is the only forum that replied with so much angst and even had the audacity to parade superiority when all I ever sought for was counsel.

Its amusing how one become an expert on a specific skill but has never honed proper socialization. You can be an expert and be humble at it at the same time. Tama pala yung naririnig ko, masyadong self-righteous yung mga tao dito. [/B]

Regarding sa hahabulin ang Shell, I would advice you to consult your insurance company about it rather than Suzuki Casa. What do they know, legally speaking pag dating sa habulan?

Assuming your insurance says no, that means it falls on you to try and chase Shell down for your claim.

Questions you will then ask is:
1) How much is the Suzuki cost to replace the CVT parts in question to restore your car to good working condition?
2) If the cost of hiring a lawyer with risk na hindi mo din mapanalo yung kaso will be worth it?
3) How long will the case take? I doubt within one year tapos yan, unless magsettlement kayo ni Shell as the "best case scenario".
4) Can you afford to be without your car during the duration of 2 and 3?

If you are willing to be without your car for a loooong time, then it is really up to you.

But, for me, if your insurance says wala sila mahahabol kay Shell, I'd just stop there and pay the cost to repair my car because I don't find the hassle worth it. Kung yung insurance na mismo nagsabi na walang panghahawakan (marami silang inhouse na lawyers working for them), that means it is either too much trouble or low to no chance of even winning the case.

[dct]

I think nairita kasi mga tao dito na gusto mo pa kasuhan si shell. E pareho lang naman kayong liable. Ikaw din naman nagpatulong. Oo wala kang alam sa kotse. Pero hindi yun excuse. Lalo na't tinakbo mo na ng 1 month. Lalong malabo na

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[victorevolution]

I think nairita kasi mga tao dito na gusto mo pa kasuhan si shell. E pareho lang naman kayong liable. Ikaw din naman nagpatulong. Oo wala kang alam sa kotse. Pero hindi yun excuse. Lalo na't tinakbo mo na ng 1 month. Lalong malabo na

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well, problem is that the ts cant accept his illusion of lack basic of knowledge of owning a car is a proper excuse, thus he opted to blame shell.

the ts kept insisting that lack of knowledge is a valid excuse and that stupidity does not count. - same reason some came hard on him on a nice way, yet the ts kept on using ignorance as a valid defense.

same with the law, ignorantia legis non excusat.

paano ba nabutas... imagination will fly.

[17Sphynx17]

well, problem is the ts cant accept his illusion of lack of knowledge in car is a proper excuse, thus he opted to blame shell.

the ts kept insisting that lack of knowledge is a valid excuse and that stupidity does not count. - same reason some came hard on him on a nice way, yet the ts kept on using ignorance as a valid defense.

same with the law, ignorantia legis non excusat.

Still wondering how a "rock" punctured the oil catch/pan/reservoir.

We can rule out that it was a "ricochet" from another vehicle going over the rock since the angle is too low.

So the rock was likely stationary and "minding its own business" and the car "fell onto it".

My curiosity is just trying to wrap my head around the area where it happened. Is the "rock" the only thing jutting out of the road then while everything was nice and clean pavement?

Or was there road works (basag na yung kalsada and may bato nakakalat sa daan) but it was taken at "speed" without slowing down?

Or, regardless of the above, was there distracted driving involved that's why the rock that was stationary wasn't noticed at all?

I am just running it in my head kasi nalubak na din naman ako ilang beses. Nagkamali ng tantsa sa lalim ng lubak pero never pa ako nabutasan sa under chassis dahil sa lubak (awa ng Diyos). Nalaglag na ako sa open drainage cover na walang signage isang beses though, pero ang nasira dun is rim ng gulong ko (may rebar na nakausli sa basag ng concrete cover at kumawit sa rim habang nalaglag yung gulong on one side) wala sa ibang parte ng kotse. Nangyari almost midnight sa akin and visibility was poor kasi walang streetlights and walang kasabay sa daan to help light up the road.

Wala lang, napaisip lang ako how it happened (yung pagbutas in the first place) since intayan na lang sa findings ito ng casa, update sa insurance and rebuttal ni Shell then reaction ni TS

[dr. d]

i did notice, that there are many scour marks on the lower part the bumper. ... it gives me the impression, that the car was being driven off-road regularly...
if i were the insurance provider, and i found out that the "event" occurred off-road, i would probably decline any claim.

[StockEngine]

i did notice, that there are many scour marks on the lower part the bumper. ... it gives me the impression, that the car was being driven off-road regularly...
if i were the insurance provider, and i found out that the "event" occurred off-road, i would probably decline any claim.

galing ng pov mo doc. mukhang inoff road nga. offroad na malapit sa shell ... lol