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    #201
    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    they say he was robbed what da...

    - 1st battle DRAW (and insist he was robbed) .. MP is underdog here
    -2nd battle Split Decision( was robbed again).. MP is still underdog
    -3rd battle Majority Decision(robbed again)..

    to convince that he won that fight he should first

    - JMM should be aggressor, since he is the challenger.. he must convince judges
    - 114-114, 115-113, AND 116-112. not one of the judges saw him winning


    im not an wannabe boxing expert but I THINK

    if one round is a close round and difficult to score.. judges may favor or incline point score to champion




    lastly..
    JMM should not ask for another fight if he is not ready to hear or accept what judges score



    but kudos to JMM for bringing the fight...
    huwag na ibalik yun past two fights kaya nga meron part 3 para ma settle na eh...

    who said that a challenger need to the aggressor? aggressive ka nga kung bawat pasok mo sapul ka naman ng suntok..

    he was not asking for a rematch, it was Arum who brought it up as soon as the questionable decision came out...

    JMM exposed the kinks in Pacman's armor...just frustrate him and he will revert back to the old Manny na sugod na lang ng sugod...just to land that one big shot...parang nawala yun vaunted side to side head movement niya and the much harp about speed and punches from different angles...

    I still maintained JMM was robbed of a draw...

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    #202
    IMHO, Pac still has the physical tools but what the fight with JMM exposed was the mental degradation of Pac. He lost the will to win and the killer instinct. If not for Freddy Roach reminding him to step it up, he would have been content shuffling and covering up. He was tentative and from the looks of it, he seems afraid of mixing it up with Marquez. Maybe the personal distractions outside the ring may have been a factor. As one scribe mentioned, he was in the midst of training yet he had the time to purchase a Ferrari.

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    #203
    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    One question in my mind (and maybe other people) is PACMAN's confidence shot after this match? After a very impressive winning streak, taking out fighter after fighter (none of whom are chopped liver, mind you), he's gotta be wondering what if the judges' scorecards went the other way?
    it might also makes him hungrier, work harder next time and just go back to basics, and while he's at that he might want to stop believing he is invincible.

    ang importante eh na exposed ba ni JMM yun weakness ni Pacman para sa susunod na kalaban niya...

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    #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinigami_Sword View Post
    IMHO, Pac still has the physical tools but what the fight with JMM exposed was the mental degradation of Pac. He lost the will to win and the killer instinct. If not for Freddy Roach reminding him to step it up, he would have been content shuffling and covering up. He was tentative and from the looks of it, he seems afraid of mixing it up with Marquez. Maybe the personal distractions outside the ring may have been a factor. As one scribe mentioned, he was in the midst of training yet he had the time to purchase a Ferrari.
    I hope that's not the case. If it is, Roach should tell PACMAN that its time to hang up his gloves.

    Manny's set for life, afterall. Would hate to see him suffer a string of defeats before he retires coz even his endorsement contracts will take a hit.

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    #205
    Quote Originally Posted by Altis6453 View Post
    I hope that's not the case. If it is, Roach should tell PACMAN that its time to hang up his gloves.

    Manny's set for life, afterall. Would hate to see him suffer a string of defeats before he retires coz even his endorsement contracts will take a hit.
    overconfidence lang nangyari, tapos dami pa sulsol nakapaligid...he started to believed he is invincible na kahit tumayo lang siya sa ring mananalo na siya...tapos matanda pa si JMM.

    but you have to question his ability to adjust in the middle of the fight...hyped lang tuloy yun sinasabi nila na technical fighter na daw siya...

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    #206
    Comments from Eurosport:
    Why Manny won:
    In a 10-point system, the boxer who wins a round is given 10 points, and the other boxer gets nine points. (10 -9)
    If there was a knockdown in the round (10-8)
    2 knock downs (10-7)
    ... If a judge can't decide who won the round, it is scored 10-10.
    Now if u are the challenger, u must be the aggressor (Pacquiao vs Cotto) in very close rounds the Champion gets the 10. For example if Pacquiao would just stay still and Marquez does not attack, Pacquiao gets the 10 and Marquez 9. In this case Manny(champion) was always aggressive while Marquez(challenger) waits for an attack and counters.
    Marquez's body language fooled a lot of people. Making people feel that he was the winner or at least it was a draw. It may look like he was landing more punches but the tricky part here is he was on the defensive, luring pacquiao into his tactical traps (remember the challenger must be the one who is aggressive to be awarded 10 ). So even if Marquez did connect more punches he gets only 9 for being defensive and Manny gets the 10 for being the attacker.
    Pacquiao got more "10"s than Marquez. Manny wins.
    the Pacman will still win if Marquez gets another shot (4th).

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    #207
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    ^meron na press released si Michael Konz, "adviser" ni Pacman na spy pala ng top Rank...he will advise against a rematch with JMM daw.
    kasi hindi na raw kikita.

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    #208
    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    Comments from Eurosport:
    Why Manny won:
    In a 10-point system, the boxer who wins a round is given 10 points, and the other boxer gets nine points. (10 -9)
    If there was a knockdown in the round (10-8)
    2 knock downs (10-7)
    ... If a judge can't decide who won the round, it is scored 10-10.
    Now if u are the challenger, u must be the aggressor (Pacquiao vs Cotto) in very close rounds the Champion gets the 10. For example if Pacquiao would just stay still and Marquez does not attack, Pacquiao gets the 10 and Marquez 9. In this case Manny(champion) was always aggressive while Marquez(challenger) waits for an attack and counters.
    Marquez's body language fooled a lot of people. Making people feel that he was the winner or at least it was a draw. It may look like he was landing more punches but the tricky part here is he was on the defensive, luring pacquiao into his tactical traps (remember the challenger must be the one who is aggressive to be awarded 10 ). So even if Marquez did connect more punches he gets only 9 for being defensive and Manny gets the 10 for being the attacker.
    Pacquiao got more "10"s than Marquez. Manny wins.
    the Pacman will still win if Marquez gets another shot (4th).
    so you mean as long as the challenger is aggressive even if he get hits a lot panalo siya?

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    #209
    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    so you mean as long as the challenger is aggressive even if he get hits a lot panalo siya?

    kung ang isang round eh hirapan mag decide kung sino mas lamang bibigyan nila ng puntos ang aggressor.. at this time ang aggressor eh ang champion pa

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    #210
    Quote Originally Posted by jansky View Post
    kung ang isang round eh hirapan mag decide kung sino mas lamang bibigyan nila ng puntos ang agressor.. at this time ang agressor eh ang champion pa
    akala ko ba sa na post mo pag a judge can't decide who won the round meron 10-10 score...

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