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December 20th, 2004 04:17 PM #21Originally Posted by iqaruzz
Iqaruzz,
Here's how I do it.
Think of neutral as another extra gear you have to shift to before going to the intended gear. Get it?
For example, you want to shift from 5th to 3rd on a tight corner...you press the clutch, shift to neutral, release the clutch and rev the engine at the same time, then step on the clutch again to engage to 3rd gear. If you think of neutral as another gear then di ka mahirapan dahil palagi mo na tong ginawa dati ang pag down shift from one gear to the next.
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December 20th, 2004 04:24 PM #22Originally Posted by jojo_mouth2
You are right about double-clutching losing valuable power time, but sometimes, the time you gain by not ddc'ing is not that much. Also, some drivers find it important to rev-match to prevent the driving wheels from loosing traction as a result of a sudden torque change. There's a better chance of a smoother engagement if you match the revs of the engine to the transmission speed.
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December 20th, 2004 04:26 PM #23Originally Posted by niky
But that's how Double De-Clutching is PROPERLY done-- by Heel and Toe.
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December 21st, 2004 04:55 AM #24
ebbfolls: thanks, i get it now. initially the double clutching method was done to overcome unsmooth shifting that before sync gearbox. matching the radial speed of the transmission and the engine making it easier to engage. sync gearbox now a days doesnt require double clutching.
now heel/toe correct me if im wrong what i understand when braking is keeping the rev high pass the powerband of the engine. so that when engaging (releasing the clutch)on a lower gear at the powerband so you always enough torque to push it.
i also do heel/toe engage on gear before corner so i can drift tight corners when raining. turn steering wheel tap the brake this makes a front tyres grip because at that instance the weight shifted forward giving more pressure on the front. release it press the gas then the back tyres will spin and looses grip.
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December 21st, 2004 07:24 AM #25Originally Posted by iqaruzz
I had been applying brake pressure all along as I was d-d-c'ing into 3rd gear, thus the technique being called 'Heel-and-Toe'.
BTW, d-d-c'ing is done in rapid fire sequence taking NO longer than 1 second. It needs practice to perfect, but, word of advice: Plan ahead, and you will miss-shift less often.Last edited by ebbfolls; December 21st, 2004 at 07:31 AM.
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December 22nd, 2004 09:24 PM #26Originally Posted by jim
jim, what we do in racing (or at high speed), when downshifting, sabay mo na press the clutch ang the gas pedal while shifting the gear. by the time release mo ung clutch, the rpm had risen thus matching the the gear speed and kagat na yan sa torque band mo. no need to press-release-press the clutch, redundant na yan. you simply press the clutch/gas pedal together while shifting the gear and then you go! one press is enough...
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December 23rd, 2004 02:54 AM #27Originally Posted by jojo_mouth2
Jojo,
This is what I mentioned in my post. The technique you just described is called 'rev-matching' and although it sounds like and looks like 'double de-clutching', they really are 2 different things. The main difference is that in double de-clutching, you rev NOT ONLY the engine but the input shaft of the transmission as well. If you are familiar with manual transmissions, there are 2 shafts, the input and the output shaft. There are also 2 sets of gears, one on each shaft. The gears on the output shaft are fixed to the output shaft which is also connected to the driving wheels via the differential. In short, the output shaft is always turning with the wheels, but the input shaft can idle along on its own if you apply the clutch, separating it from the engine.
The gears on the input shaft are constantly meshed (connected) to their respective counter-gears on the output shaft. That's why it's called a set because for every 'gear' (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc.) there are actually 2 gear enmeshed together forming 1 gearset (that's why if you want to change the ratio of your gears you have to replace both as a pair). Since all these gears are constantly meshed together, you are going to end up with the both shafts (input and output) fighting each other. Imagine 1st gear driving with 2nd gear, driving with...and so on and so forth. This is called 'driveline contention' which by the way happens to 'part-time' 4x4 truck's transfer case if driven on solid ground.
So to eliminate driveline contention, you disconnect the gears on the input shaft from the shaft, making them 'freewheel' freely. It is by the selective engagement of any of these gears to the input shaft that the driver makes a gear selection. The locking mechanism that locks a particular gear to the input shaft is called a 'synchronizer'. Back in the older days, they used something called 'dogs'. Unlike the synchronizer, the dogs, had to be pushed hard to 'clash' with the gear, therefore connecting it to the shaft. If the shaft was turning at a different speed than the gear, the 'dogs' will have a hard time engaging, and will make a 'crunching' sound if forced to engage. This is why drivers before had to be skilled in double de-clutching because it was necessary top 'speed up' the input shaft to somewhat synchronize its speed to the gear to be selected. (This is what youre doing by releasing the clutch in neutral and blipping the throttle at the same time).
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December 23rd, 2004 04:33 PM #28
i'm very much familiar with engines, tranny etc.... oh btw, been "racing" illegally since the mid 80's. but i havent driven a tranny dogs arf arf arf arf
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December 24th, 2004 02:17 AM #29Originally Posted by jojo_mouth2
I remember those days, when the 2.0 liter, 2-dr, Ford Cortina was the fastest car in stock form, rivalled only by Mitsubishi's 2.0 liter, 2-dr Galant Sigma.Last edited by ebbfolls; December 24th, 2004 at 02:20 AM.
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December 24th, 2004 01:15 PM #30Originally Posted by ebbfolls
galant lamda 2.0 2dr (not sigma), opel manta 2.0 2dr, toyota corona 2dr macho, ford telstar 1.8, ford escort 2.0 euro 2dr, gamit namin before. and we race on highways not on quarter miles. kaya walang mga starlet sa tropa namin.
merry xmas!!!Last edited by jojo_mouth2; December 24th, 2004 at 01:18 PM.
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